Originally posted by newjak86
By the way how does Havok beat them both by himself.
He might just blast them to smitherines. Remember, Havok taps the same power source that lets Living Pharaoe transform into Living Planet. That's a lot of power. He doesn't usually hit that hard, but when he really lets go he can do things like lay waste to that fortress.
i think their likley to be stopped dead when they meet the surfer and hulk. one of the biggest threads ive seen is juggernaut vs hulk so while im more inclined to say juggernaut, it would take a long long time. and apocalypse might be the most powerful mutant on earth, but hes no herald of galactus. he can give himself extra strength, but the surfers strength has yet to be measured as far as i know, their both class 100. surfer is faster in close quarters, apoc can teleport but i havent seen it done during a fight like nightcrawler. and the surfer weilds the power cosmic, which has to be able to do some serious damage. i think surfer takes apoc by flying around and using some energy based attacks, and then comes to help hulk take out juggernaut, probably moving him off planet becuase i dont know if there is enough kinetic enerty in the universe to stop juggernaut flat out.