It's just a term, I have no problem with it for the most part. Though I don't usually call people gay, not because I think it's mean or offensive, just because it's so cliche and I like to try to come up with different terms or expressions that aren't used or that are really exagerated.
Though every now and then I do say it, and I don't really plan on stoping nor do I really give a shit about it.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
My personal belief is that a lot of people are insecure and afraid of being called gay, and it makes them feel less gay to call other things gay... I say it out of habit myself, but I've been trying to stop. Usually I end up saying "retarded" instead. 😐
Originally posted by Darth Revan
My personal belief is that a lot of people are insecure and afraid of being called gay, and it makes them feel less gay to call other things gay... I say it out of habit myself, but I've been trying to stop. Usually I end up saying "retarded" instead. 😐
Wow. Exact same for me... I don't know wat to replace it with.
Originally posted by BackFire
It's just a term, I have no problem with it for the most part. Though I don't usually call people gay, not because I think it's mean or offensive, just because it's so cliche and I like to try to come up with different terms or expressions that aren't used or that are really exagerated.Though every now and then I do say it, and I don't really plan on stoping nor do I really give a shit about it.
Yes, but it's a term that describes homosexuals, and that nowadays is used with negative connotations. You see nothing wrong with saying being gay is bad huh? Because even though you're not actually saying "Being gay is bad", you're using it as an insult, therefore perpetuating the whole mentality that calling someone a homosexual is a means to insult them.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by BackFire
Most people don't even mean "homosexual" when they say gay in that sense, as weird as it sounds. It's more or less a shared word in this sense, gay technically means homosexual, but when used as most people use it, it means stupid or something not connected with homosexuality.
I know. But the connection's what bothers me. The fact that it's the same, identical word. Even if they don't MEAN homosexual, the negative connotation given to the term that describes a group of people with different sexual preferences still exists.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah.But you also have to keep in mind that most people who use the term in that way do it only with their friends in a joking manner, it's not liek they're running around yelling it all over the place.
And if you can't do things like that with your good friends, then who can you do it with?
Yeah, that's right. it's not like they're wandering the streets looking at random people and laughing at them, calling them gay. I understand what you're saying. I'm talking more from a "it's principles" POV. While it seems like "it's not hurting anyone", both you and your friends will have kids right? They'll hear you use the term in a derogatory manner, and so the whole problem of using it as a negative thing will keep perpetuating itself 🙁
~wickerman~
Originally posted by BackFire
Actually I wouldn't use it around kids, I'd obviously be a lot more careful about what I'd say around kids, especially my own.
However, your friends might not be so careful. And hell, you might even slip once or twice, i mean, you're only human (thought the whole leatherface thing is creepy 🙁 )
I'm just saying this is like a domino. The first piece starts tumbling, the effect is immense. And it takes a shitload of time to clean up and put things back the way they should be. 🙁
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
Yeah, i can see that actually 😂I'd actually love it if Capt._Fantastic would post in this thread 🙁
~wickerman~
As you wish.
I actually see nothing wrong with using the term "gay" or "queer" to describe something outof teh ordinary. I have friends that use that term quite often, in my presence. My best friend uses it to decribe something that he doesn't think goes well with the rest of the situation..or makes no sense.
I'm not so politically correct(I'm not politically correct at all, actually) that I think we need to change the definition of words.
I would suppose it's all dependant on the person who said it. But, that means I'm making myself the judge and jury...which would be no less or more right than the person who used the term in the first place. I'd much rather they used the term "gay" to describe something they didn't like...than to make up words like "hinkie".
If I got upset because someone decided to use the word 'gay' to describe something they didn't like...I'd be getting worked up over something that didn't matter. I'm not concerned about the words coming out of someones mouth half as much as I am their actions.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
As you wish.I actually see nothing wrong with using the term "gay" or "queer" to describe something outof teh ordinary. I have friends that use that term quite often, in my presence. My best friend uses it to decribe something that he doesn't think goes well with the rest of the situation..or makes no sense.
I'm not so politically correct(I'm not politically correct at all, actually) that I think we need to change the definition of words.
I would suppose it's all dependant on the person who said it. But, that means I'm making myself the judge and jury...which would be no less or more right than the person who used the term in the first place. I'd much rather they used the term "gay" to describe something they didn't like...than to make up words like "hinkie".
If I got upset because someone decided to use the word 'gay' to describe something they didn't like...I'd be getting worked up over something that didn't matter. I'm not concerned about the words coming out of someones mouth half as much as I am their actions.
Thanks for posting 😊
What i was saying wasn't necessarily that it's used as a bad thing, but rather that it already means homosexual, it's now used with a bad connotation, therefore it's as if being homosexual is a bad thing. Not just out of the ordinary.
~wickerman~
Originally posted by Wickerman
Thanks for posting 😊What i was saying wasn't necessarily that it's used as a bad thing, but rather that it already means homosexual, it's now used with a bad connotation, therefore it's as if being homosexual is a bad thing. Not just out of the ordinary.
~wickerman~
oh, I understand the connection you're referring to...however, I don't see a problem. For example: two friends are walking down the hall at school. FriendA says something. Friend B doesn't agree with friend A's statement and calls him "gay" or refers to the comment as being "so gay". Now, one of two things will happen. Friend A will either laugh and move on or friend A will become so violently offended by the terminology that it could ruin the friendship. Which is more likely to happen? Option 1 is the most likely, in my opinion. It illistrates how inoffensive the term really was to begin with. So, if the majority of people who use the term do so in an offhanded manner, then why should I become offended by it? Now, should the second option occur, then friend A might really be gay.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
oh, I understand the connection you're referring to...however, I don't see a problem. For example: two friends are walking down the hall at school. FriendA says something. Friend B doesn't agree with friend A's statement and calls him "gay" or refers to the comment as being "so gay". Now, one of two things will happen. Friend A will either laugh and move on or friend A will become so violently offended by the terminology that it could ruin the friendship. Which is more likely to happen? Option 1 is the most likely, in my opinion. It illistrates how inoffensive the term really was to begin with. So, if the majority of people who use the term do so in an offhanded manner, then why should I become offended by it? Now, should the second option occur, then friend A might really be gay.
No, no. I understand that given the frequency of its using and the casuality, it loses the value of insult after a while, but that's not my point. Sure, people wouldn't be insulted. I'm kinda talking principles here, as said earlier. While friend A might not be offended or even notice, it's still wrong to associate homosexuality with something bad. Or....at least IMO.
~wickerman~