Shadowcat vs.

Originally posted by KillAll
yes, but phasing is phasing

Originally posted by KillAll
and if iron man can figure out how to do it with vision, is it entirely impossible for him to concieve a way for kitty? i think not... its more LIKELY than unlikely. iron man is a genious.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Did you not get my furniture analogy? Could someone recollect me as to whether Vision can extend his intangibility to other objects?

i dont recall if vision can or not... i can check though. and yes i got the analogy. but if he can hit other people that can phase, why not her?? does not phasing work the same?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What's far more likely is that Shadowcat phases him and his suit into the ground.

does she have to be touching the suit in order to do so?? iron man is pretty well protected from outside influences, including magnetism, electricity, and possibly even phasing.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Or if he's in the air phases through him shorting-out the circuits in his suit, in which case propulsion is compromised and he falls to his death - I'd assume a suit of armour has a high terminal velocity. Or phases him out of his suit.

doesnt she have to be touching him to do this?? and all that is IF she can even phase into him, or touch him. all the while worrying about IF she can get to him... cause he can hit her in her phasing state. which is entirely plausible

Originally posted by KillAll
yes, but phasing is phasing, and if iron man can figure out how to do it with vision, is it entirely impossible for him to concieve a way for kitty? i think not... its more LIKELY than unlikely. iron man is a genious.

Would that not involve him requiring some prep time?

Also, sorry to be an a-hole and go beyond the OP, but as a general question: Could Kitty really do ANYTHING to Dust?

~wickerman~

it kind of does, and kind of doesnt involve prep time... he already knows vision, and how he works, i'm sure he could make adjustments to kitty on the spot though, she cant phase THAT much different than vision...

Mega-Sentinel > Iron Man
Phasers may not use the same mechanisms to phase - that is why I asked if Vision can extend his intangibility.
Besides time for Iron Man to figure out what manner of attack will actually affect Shadowcat (if indeed he even has one which is still dubious) > Time it takes for Shadowcat to phase his heart out of his chest cavity.
There's no reason why she can't phase into him. To my knowledge his suit isn't made of adamantium.
Iron Man is untouchable now? 🤨

Originally posted by Wickerman
Would that not involve him requiring some prep time?

Also, sorry to be an a-hole and go beyond the OP, but as a general question: Could Kitty really do ANYTHING to Dust?

~wickerman~

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Dust? Interesting question...

Thank you eyes

here's the explanation of her powers from mutanthigh.com: Powers & History: Dust is an Afghani girl with the ability to turn her body entirely into dust (or sand?). In this form she can produce sandstorm-like effects, with (telekinetically-driven?) gusts strong enough to rip through steel and flesh.

I don't see her hurting kitty in any way, but i also don't see Kitty hurting her 😬

~wickerman~

wait a second can't she still be affected by knock-out gas even while she is phasing I mean she still has to breathe right? That would mean even Batman could beat her. And I am certainly no Bat-fanboy. In fact i dislike how everyone says he could beat nearly everyone with prep.

Yay someone said Batman would win. I don't even care that it's not one of his Batfans. She doesn't breathe when phasing. She can remain intangible indefinitely as it is now her natural state.

to which iron man will blast her out of 😉... j/k, its hard to say one way or the other, but i still lean towards iron man, as i'm sure you will lean towards her 😄

Originally posted by KillAll
to which iron man will blast her out of 😉... j/k, its hard to say one way or the other, but i still lean towards iron man, as i'm sure you will lean towards her 😄

so she doesn't need to breathe. well then that totally changes the outcome. Shadowcat would win unless he has some machine that affects her brain or something.

to each his own i guess...

Originally posted by Superherovandal
so she doesn't need to breathe. well then that totally changes the outcome. Shadowcat would win unless he has some machine that affects her brain or something.

Tried to find the difference between her and Vision. Apparently vision changes the density of his body, both down and up, being able to become intangible as well as diamond hard. Kitty passes the molecules of her body through matter, rendering her insubstantial. This ability also allows her to "walk on air," and even "detach" herself from Earth's gravity and appear to fly off, as she stays stationary while the Earth rotates at up to 1,000 miles per hour. She can phase other people and objects along with herself, as well as only part of an object. Her phasing through any electronic equipment causes it to short-circuit. She has refined this ability to sometimes allow her to cut off a person's nervous system (which is electrical in nature).

To me, vision seems more versatile but less powerful when it comes to intangibility.

~wickerman~

he isnt as powerful in intangibility, but he can still be hit in this form 😄, which is what i was getting at... if there is a way, iron man will find it...

The words "Iron Man" have been placed into the classic Batfan argument. Bloodlust Shadowcat tears out the old drunkard's liver. 😄

no matter how you look at it, vision still passes his molecules through solid objects just like kitty, and if its possible, iron man can hit her too... are you implying im an iron man fanboy???

😂 No I'm not suggesting that, but it is the classic Batfan argument. To which I say: not before she phases his brain halfway out of his skull and let's go.
Also different mechanisms of phasing, ergo furniture analogy. Shadowcat phases through the energy and force of the blast from Mega-Sentinel that levels a city - while she's also phasing a lot of additional mass - I don't see why she'll have any particular problem with Iron Man.

To reach a sort of consensus, i'll say this:

I'd say that while their powers are incredibly similar when it comes to intangibility, kitty is much better versed in it. She also has great reflexes from what i've seen. Of course, she wouldn't KNOW IM's beam/whatever could touch her, but....she has them.
Kitty also has a knack with controlling the electrical field around her while phasing, so that may be a VERY important thing.
Now...assuming IM realizes he can use the same beam (shouldn't be hard for him to figure that out), he's going to try and hit her.
My guess is that if set to the same intensity and power, or whatever as to when he did it to vision, it would probably only momentarily stun her. She could also very well just go into the ground where she can't be seen.....then stroll to somewhere close to IM, and fly up from the ground before he knows what's happening. Now....i don't know IF she could mess up his armor, but i don't see any reason why she wouldn't be able to, given the fact that it's not made of adamantium. This is assuming IM doesn't see her, or blast her.

So......i dunno.

~wickerman~