Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This is false though. Firstly, to claim Windowpane is the only "good" track is unbelievably ignorant.The whole purpose of that album was that it was the mellow album to compare with Deliverance. Damnation/Deliverance.
-AC
Let's avoid the "I" word, shall we? You may find it ignorant that I think the only good track is Windowpane, while I think any kid who hasn't listened to Manowar or King Crimson is ignorant. It really is all relative.
Originally posted by RagnaViper
That's not the whole problem though. Opeth is a metal band.Key element of metal? Distorted guitars. One of the most defining aspects of the genre. No distorted guitars here on Damnation.
A) Let's not refer to Opeth doing a mellow album as a problem.
B) They're still a metal band, dunno if you noticed that. They made a non metal album. What's the big deal?
Originally posted by RagnaViper
Seriously, this album is more of a folk album than a metal album. You may be fine with that, but it disgusts me to see one of my favorite bands do something like this.
What the shit? DISGUSTS you to see a band experiment with amazing results? Aww, shame. I'm sure Opeth are bothered. The very thing that makes Opeth as amazing as they are is the fact that they don't follow the metal band stereotype. That's why Mikael is one of the greatest vocalists ever. Because he can do it both and has a tremendous voice for melodic singing.
If you don't like the album, fine. To say it disgusts you is extremely pretentious. They owe you nothing, believe it or not. They don't owe it to you to continue knocking out albums in the vein of Deliverance or Still Life etc.
-AC
If someone were a real fan of a band, they wouldn't care if they experimented with other sounds.
I love Opeth. And I LOVE Damnation. It is an excellent album and shows that just because they're a metal band, it doesn't mean that's the only kind of music they can make.
Can't wait to hear Ghost Reveries.
I think people are missing the point though.
You can't say Opeth are a 'metal' band, and then their albums that are 'non-metal' are out of character.
Every single one of their albums is an Opeth album. There aren't the 'proper' ones, and the 'experimental, non-metal' ones.
It comes back to the stupid genre thing. They make an album that doesn't seem 'metal'? Then maybe they aren't a 'metal' band.
They have metal elements amongst many others.
If they aren't musically pigeonholing themselves, there's no need for us to try to rationise it or ignore what they are doing.
Originally posted by nick1811
downloaded ghost reveries about 2 weeks ago, its not bad, but its definetly not their best album. orchid and deliverance beat it hands down.
the best song, in my opinion is 'the grand conjuration', although 'reverie/harlequin forest' is a good song too.
You've bought it now then?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A) Let's not refer to Opeth doing a mellow album as a problem.B) They're still a metal band, dunno if you noticed that. They made a non metal album. What's the big deal?
I'll refer to Opeth doing a mellow album as a problem if I dislike it. It didn't
affect the band negatively in my eyes, considering an album like Damnation is more of a one time only thing, but I still dislike the album.
It's kind of obvious that they're still metal, dude. I never said they stopped being metal. As I said earlier, Damnation is more of a one time thing.
What the shit? DISGUSTS you to see a band experiment with amazing results? Aww, shame. I'm sure Opeth are bothered. The very thing that makes Opeth as amazing as they are is the fact that they don't follow the metal band stereotype. That's why Mikael is one of the greatest vocalists ever. Because he can do it both and has a tremendous voice for melodic singing.If you don't like the album, fine. To say it disgusts you is extremely pretentious. They owe you nothing, believe it or not. They don't owe it to you to continue knocking out albums in the vein of Deliverance or Still Life etc.
-AC
Why are you arguing this entire point off of one word? Oh my gawd, DISGUSTED. Big deal. Do you blow things out of proportion because you take this personally?
My entire point so far has been that I strongly dislike the album. At no point did I call it pure shit or anything close to that.
Opeth can be as creative as they want. Hell, make a reggae album. I just won't listen to it. That's all there is to it. It's not "OPETH SUXXORS NOW CUZ THEY MADE A NON METAL ALBUM", it's more like "Great, Opeth came out with something completely non-metal. Oh look, here's me. Not enjoying it."
I've said my piece. I think we both should see why I didn't enjoy Damnation now.
Oh, and if that stupid genre thing annoys you, go ahead and ignore it. I could care less about your opinions on genre. If you think genres are a pain, you have no idea. I'm a metalhead. We've got it worst.
Originally posted by RagnaViper
I'll refer to Opeth doing a mellow album as a problem if I dislike it. It didn't
affect the band negatively in my eyes, considering an album like Damnation is more of a one time only thing, but I still dislike the album.
Why is it a problem though? It's not a problem is it? Bit over dramatic.
Originally posted by RagnaViper
Why are you arguing this entire point off of one word? Oh my gawd, DISGUSTED. Big deal. Do you blow things out of proportion because you take this personally?
I don't take it personally. I'm not the one acting as though Opeth owe it to me not to do albums like Damnation. Not suggesting you actually believe that, but that's the impression you give off.
My entire point so far has been that I strongly dislike the album. At no point did I call it pure shit or anything close to that.
Originally posted by RagnaViper
Oh, and if that stupid genre thing annoys you, go ahead and ignore it. I could care less about your opinions on genre. If you think genres are a pain, you have no idea. I'm a metalhead. We've got it worst.
Metalhead = Fan of metal? In that case I'm one. What do you mean by "got it worse"? You don't have to deal in labelling if you don't want to.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why is it a problem though? It's not a problem is it? Bit over dramatic.
It's a problem to me, not to Opeth. I'm not suggesting it's their problem either. Actually, to be more specific, it's more of a disappointment. I don't like what they did with that album. It was disappointing. That really is all there is to it. Drama isn't an issue here either.
Metalhead = Fan of metal? In that case I'm one. What do you mean by "got it worse"? You don't have to deal in labelling if you don't want to.-AC
It's not necessarily labelling as much as... discussion material. I discuss metal with people every day. In these kinds of discussions, it's pretty important to know your genres.
A metalhead is not exactly just a fan of metal. It's close though. Being a metalhead is also a lifestyle. I'm not saying you're not a metalhead either.
Originally posted by RagnaViper
It's not necessarily labelling as much as... discussion material. I discuss metal with people every day. In these kinds of discussions, it's pretty important to know your genres.A metalhead is not exactly just a fan of metal. It's close though. Being a metalhead is also a lifestyle. I'm not saying you're not a metalhead either.
It's important to know your genres? As in...overall? Because if you're discussing Emperor, I'm pretty sure you don't have to be sure what genre Santana fit in. You obviously need to know about metal if you're gonna discuss metal. Then there's obviously thrash, death, prog, heavy, black etc. I don't deal with that unless it's obvious. I could probably narrow it down, but there's no point to me.
Metalheads are primarily fans of metal who basically conform to a stereotype. It doesn't matter if you're 50 and been doing it since the Judas Priest days. If you have to dress a certain way to know you love the music, that's a bit pathetic. I can walk into HMV with a Nike shirt and some combat shorts and stand next to Dani Filth, it doesn't mean I'm less of a fan.
-AC
It sucks really, really hard. That I still haven't got the album, that is. Tomorrow I'm going to the record store before work, and take some cinderblocks in case it's not open.
And please don't turn an Opeth thread into an argument, let their sublime musical perfection bring us together, not tear us apart.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's important to know your genres? As in...overall? Because if you're discussing Emperor, I'm pretty sure you don't have to be sure what genre Santana fit in. You obviously need to know about metal if you're gonna discuss metal. Then there's obviously thrash, death, prog, heavy, black etc. I don't deal with that unless it's obvious. I could probably narrow it down, but there's no point to me.Metalheads are primarily fans of metal who basically conform to a stereotype. It doesn't matter if you're 50 and been doing it since the Judas Priest days. If you have to dress a certain way to know you love the music, that's a bit pathetic. I can walk into HMV with a Nike shirt and some combat shorts and stand next to Dani Filth, it doesn't mean I'm less of a fan.
-AC
Originally posted by Deathblow
It sucks really, really hard. That I still haven't got the album, that is. Tomorrow I'm going to the record store before work, and take some cinderblocks in case it's not open.And please don't turn an Opeth thread into an argument, let their sublime musical perfection bring us together, not tear us apart.
Goddamnit.
Originally posted by Deathblow
It sucks really, really hard. That I still haven't got the album, that is. Tomorrow I'm going to the record store before work, and take some cinderblocks in case it's not open.And please don't turn an Opeth thread into an argument, let their sublime musical perfection bring us together, not tear us apart.
Whyyyyyyy don't you have it yet?
Amazing. They've improved in every aspect, musically (and this is Opeth were talking about.) The only worry I had was the Lindgren addition but he flowed in beautifully. Maybe it's just me, but I find Ghost Reveries to be more accessible than their other albums, while still having the complexity and epicness of an Opeth album.
And I thought they couldn't top Still Life, I was wrong and glad to be.