I still feel that Dooku is a better fight against Yoda. When he and Yoda fought they matched each other blade and blade. Whereas when Yoda fought Palpatine Yoda had complete control of the lightsaber end of the battle. To say that Palpy was just defending to get the high ground is bias and fanboyism, Yoda forced him onto the rising platform and Palpatine desperateran up and started throwing stuff. I am not saying he cheated by gaining the high ground I am only saying that he needs to use the area where he is duelling along with his own skills.
Originally posted by Makashi
I still feel that Dooku is a better fight against Yoda. When he and Yoda fought they matched each other blade and blade. Whereas when Yoda fought Palpatine Yoda had complete control of the lightsaber end of the battle. To say that Palpy was just defending to get the high ground is bias and fanboyism, Yoda forced him onto the rising platform and Palpatine desperateran up and started throwing stuff. I am not saying he cheated by gaining the high ground I am only saying that he needs to use the area where he is duelling along with his own skills.
Did Yoda truly have complete control? No. Yoda's intent was to kill Sidious. If he had control over the fight - it meant he was capable of slaying Sidious. And he did not. Yoda took the advantage and immediately went on the offensive, using a barrage of saber assaults that Sidious simply couldn't use to gain the offensive. Yoda gained ground while Sidious willingly gave it. He did not have control of the duel. Otherwise, he would've broken through Sidious's defenses.
Sidious led the fight to the Senate pod. I watched the fight. It was Sidious who moved backwards, and then Yoda moved forward. Not the otherway around. Sidious willingly moved to the pod. He KNEW that in order to put the odds FIRMLY in his favor, it would need to come down to a ranged assault via the Force.
Sidious kept up with Yoda. Blow-for-fricken-blow. The fight cut out as soon as the Chancellor's platform began to rise into the Senate chamber. We do not know what happened - or who won the little lightsaber skirmish.
When we picked up - Sidious was chucking pods at Yoda, trying to knock him down. Yoda's immensely quick - and very small. A hard target to hit. Yoda dodged them all, the last one knocking him down. But he was closing in on Sidious. And Sidious was very much trying to stop him.
Sidious threw a pod. Yoda stopped it - held it in mid-air, concentrated, spun it, and threw it back. Is this a sign of Force superiority? No. Because if people will look carefully - when we Sidious throwing the pods - we see him standing in one pod - and two others levitating in the air on either side of him. He is holding them up. So the whole gravity thing isn't an issue.
Yoda's problem was catching the pod being THROWN at him. He had to effectively STOP IT. It required energy, and he did. Sidious was prolly then wondering "HOW in the HELL..." - and Yoda chucked it back. Sidious whirled away and landed on a pod. Yoda snapped to it. That then was his ONLY chance. Yoda moved in for the kill, and ignited his saber.
Sidious whirled - and blasted it out of his hands. Right there - at THAT moment - Yoda lost all hopes for an offensive advantage. However, the Jedi are more skilled at defensive than offensive - and he still had one final gamble.
His ability to block Force lightning.
Sidious threw lightning at Yoda. Yoda blocked it - and with extreme skill, too. The lightning was not getting through. But at the same time, Sidious was the one with the output of power. Yoda can block it - but he can't CONTROL it - so he was forced to remain stationary. Sidious moved closer, having the ability to control his lightning. It seemed to me that Sidious wanted to get as close as possible - and keep shooting until Yoda gave out and got blasted.
But. Yoda may not be able to control Sith lightning - but he can repel it. Sidious moved close enough for the lightning to coil effectively. He was standing in the middle of the pod. Yoda was almost on the edge. Yoda's expression then reflected effort and grim determination. Sidious had an expression of surprise and fear.
Yoda pushed the lightning back - with what seemed to be a GREAT deal of effort. Sidious got slammed. The Newtonian kickback resulted in Yoda being flung like a ragdoll. He hit a pod, slipped, and moved to grab the edge. His grip faltered. And he fell to the floor. Sidious was cackling like a jackass above, about to meet the same fate. But he managed to right himself.
Yoda fled for one reason.
NONE of them won the BATTLE. None of them did. It was a complete stalemate. The battle was to the death, and neither died.
But Sidious won the entire skirmish because his goals were accomplished where Yoda's were not.
There's no way in HELL Yoda could've went back and duked it out. I'm going to repeat this again:
Yoda's Advantages: NONE.
Sidious's Advantages:
- High ground
- POSSIBLE lightsaber
- Offensive Force powers
- Knowledge of the terrain
- Better condition (he wasn't as injured)
- POSSIBLE support (Clones)
Sidious is my favorite character. And he sure as hell didn't lose. But neither did Yoda. Yoda had one shot to take out Sidious. He failed. He would never likely get another chance. He knew that Sidious had the advantages - whereas he did not. He couldn't afford to duke it out with Sidious and live. So he made a SMART move - and fled.
In that same sense, I suppose you could say Sidious didn't make a decision REALLY based on cowardice. I suppose, when you consider HIS goals, what he tried to do (flee) was a smart move.
Yoda probably could've beaten Sidious in any other place. Own him? HELL no. Whoever thinks that needs to rewatch the duel. Yoda wouldn't own Dooku OR Sidious. Beat them? Yes. Own them? HELL no. EVER.
During the end of the fight, Sidious began to electrify Yoda, and Yoda countered the Lightning and blasted Sidious off of his rocker. Yoda's blast was so powerful, that he fell. I didn't see Sidious doing anything significant to win the fight.
"If so powerful you are, why leave?"
Exactly! Sidious tried to leave the office before they even fought. Of course this is after Sidious had been blasted into his chair with a defying force push.
Yoda fell from his own blast. Hell, you could say he defeated himself.
Sidious won nothing, because Yoda wasn't dead from him, nor severly hurt.
Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
yeah and dooku was only trying to escape so he wasn't trying to kill anybody
No, at first Dooku was trying to kill Yoda but when he realises he wasn;t going to be able to he chose the next best thing: Fleeing to fight another day. And in that fight it's debatable whether Yoda was trying to kill Dooku or not.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Did Yoda truly have complete control? No. Yoda's intent was to kill Sidious. If he had control over the fight - it meant he was capable of slaying Sidious. And he did not. Yoda took the advantage and immediately went on the offensive, using a barrage of saber assaults that Sidious simply couldn't use to gain the offensive. Yoda gained ground while Sidious willingly gave it. He did not have control of the duel. Otherwise, he would've broken through Sidious's defenses.
People should just read the movie script some times:
"PALPATINE seeks refuge in the vast Senate Chamber." Erm...Sidious seeks refuge because he's on par with Yoda in lightsaber combat ?
Or that:
"YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber... "
Or that:
"It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed."
Yeah ? What ? Yoda nearly killing Sidious and making him drop his lightsaber is not enough ? Sidious was inferior to Yoda in both: Force use and lightsaber combat and it's time that you accept that.
Sidious led the fight to the Senate pod. I watched the fight. It was Sidious who moved backwards, and then Yoda moved forward. Not the otherway around. Sidious willingly moved to the pod. He KNEW that in order to put the odds FIRMLY in his favor, it would need to come down to a ranged assault via the Force.
He was trying to escape because being confronted with an superior force user and lightsaber duellist.
Sidious kept up with Yoda. Blow-for-fricken-blow. The fight cut out as soon as the Chancellor's platform began to rise into the Senate chamber. We do not know what happened - or who won the little lightsaber skirmish.
Read the script. Yoda caused Sidious to drop his lightsaber and nearly killed him by fighting him over the edge of the pod.
Sidious whirled - and blasted it out of his hands. Right there - at THAT moment - Yoda lost all hopes for an offensive advantage. However, the Jedi are more skilled at defensive than offensive - and he still had one final gamble.
Again read the f*cking script:
"The force causes YODA to drop his lightsaber." Yoda drops his lightsaber because he needs both hands to deflect Sidious lightning. Don't give Sidious credit for things he never did.
NONE of them won the BATTLE. None of them did. It was a complete stalemate. The battle was to the death, and neither died.
Yoda was the superior fighter and force user and Sidious was alive because:
a) otherwise the OT would be senseless
b) he got lucky
Yoda probably could've beaten Sidious in any other place. Own him? HELL no. Whoever thinks that needs to rewatch the duel. Yoda wouldn't own Dooku OR Sidious. Beat them? Yes. Own them? HELL no. EVER.
According to the AotC script Yoda outclassed Dooku (basically he was about to win after 30 seconds of fighting) and Dooku might be considered to be a better duellist than Sidious (who was disarmed by Yoda in less than a minute). Yoda would pretty much own Sidious in a lightsaber fight. A fight under fair conditions (like Yoda vs Dooku in AotC) would be like that:
- force battle with Sidious unable to overcome Yoda
- lightsaber duel with Yoda outclassing Sidious
Well...if you are about to defeat one opponent in 30 seconds and are able to disarm the other in less than a minute I would call that "ownage" in terms of lightsaber combat. But well...Yoda had 10 times the experience of Dooku or Sidious with that weapon and that has to be good for something.
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
People should just read the movie script some times:
"PALPATINE seeks refuge in the vast Senate Chamber." Erm...Sidious [b]seeks refuge because he's on par with Yoda in lightsaber combat ?Or that:
"YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber... "Or that:
"It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed."Yeah ? What ? Yoda nearly killing Sidious and making him drop his lightsaber is not enough ? Sidious was inferior to Yoda in both: Force use and lightsaber combat and it's time that you accept that.
He was trying to escape because being confronted with an superior force user and lightsaber duellist.
Read the script. Yoda caused Sidious to drop his lightsaber and nearly killed him by fighting him over the edge of the pod.
Again read the f*cking script:
"The force causes YODA to drop his lightsaber." Yoda drops his lightsaber because he needs both hands to deflect Sidious lightning. Don't give Sidious credit for things he never did.Yoda was the superior fighter and force user and Sidious was alive because:
a) otherwise the OT would be senseless
b) he got luckyAccording to the AotC script Yoda outclassed Dooku (basically he was about to win after 30 seconds of fighting) and Dooku might be considered to be a better duellist than Sidious (who was disarmed by Yoda in less than a minute). Yoda would pretty much own Sidious in a lightsaber fight. A fight under fair conditions (like Yoda vs Dooku in AotC) would be like that:
- force battle with Sidious unable to overcome Yoda
- lightsaber duel with Yoda outclassing SidiousWell...if you are about to defeat one opponent in 30 seconds and are able to disarm the other in less than a minute I would call that "ownage" in terms of lightsaber combat. But well...Yoda had 10 times the experience of Dooku or Sidious with that weapon and that has to be good for something. [/B]
That script really ****s with DS' arguments.
Interesting. I found the script online. And I have indeed read the parts you used as proof. Odd enough, much of that fight was not used.
The fight regarding Count Dooku is another ambigious one. No where in the script does it remotely imply Dooku faking. If you're going to base things on a script - one that wasn't used completely, I might add - then it is safe to conclude that Anakin simply bested Dooku through superior skill as well.
It also says that Sidious simply cut the Jedi down, without usage of the Force to cloud their minds. So, we can also conclude Sidious bested them through superior skill.
It says that Mace was slammed against the wall by Sidious - who used the Force. I don't recall this happening. Perhaps a deleted scene?
It also says that Mace was killed under the sheer power of Sidious's lightning - instead of your theory of a Force push.
It also says that Sidious blasts Yoda fair and sqaure, without any indication of Yoda faking. According to the script, Yoda took a severe hit due to his own inability to defend himself.
Palpatine seeking refuge in the Chancellor's podium is correct. But refuge simply means a shelter from danger. I'm not disputing the fact that Yoda was highly dangerous. In fact, this only furthers my argument. Not only would he be safer from Yoda, but the odds would be tipped into his advantage. An intelligent move.
It also says that Yoda was about to kill Palpatine:
YODA: Destroy you I will, just as Master Kenobi, your apprentice will destroy.
YODA jumps to a lower Senate Pod. PALPATINE reaches out with one hand, and a Senate pod is released from its mooring and heads toward the Podium. PALPATINE uses the Force to hurl pod after pod at YODA, who ducks and jumps from one flying pod to another.
The sentence above that states that: It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed.
So. If Yoda was about to land a killing blow on Sidious, why did he flee to another pod? This did not happen in the movie - nor does it make any sense - along with a majority of the script.
It also says that Sidious's blast throws Yoda against the Chancellor's podium - which it did not. And it also states that when Yoda fell, Sidious took a pod to then search for him - to continue the fight.
Going by THAT script, the one YOU brought up, Yoda is also a coward because he fled when Sidious was still looking. The script also gives no indication of Clones being brought in, so that excuse is void.
See what I mean? That script is FULL of damn inconsistancies - which if you want to base the Sidious vs Yoda duel on, you have to base all of the movie on.
Which means many of your points that you attempted to make are now void.
I wouldn't bet too much on a script like that. Even if Lucas intended to use it, it is obvious that the movie was depicted otherwise - or he made last minute changes.
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
People should just read the movie script some times:
"PALPATINE seeks refuge in the vast Senate Chamber." Erm...Sidious [b]seeks refuge because he's on par with Yoda in lightsaber combat ?Or that:
"YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber... "Or that:
"It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed."Yeah ? What ? Yoda nearly killing Sidious and making him drop his lightsaber is not enough ? Sidious was inferior to Yoda in both: Force use and lightsaber combat and it's time that you accept that.
He was trying to escape because being confronted with an superior force user and lightsaber duellist.
Read the script. Yoda caused Sidious to drop his lightsaber and nearly killed him by fighting him over the edge of the pod.
Again read the f*cking script:
"The force causes YODA to drop his lightsaber." Yoda drops his lightsaber because he needs both hands to deflect Sidious lightning. Don't give Sidious credit for things he never did.Yoda was the superior fighter and force user and Sidious was alive because:
a) otherwise the OT would be senseless
b) he got luckyAccording to the AotC script Yoda outclassed Dooku (basically he was about to win after 30 seconds of fighting) and Dooku might be considered to be a better duellist than Sidious (who was disarmed by Yoda in less than a minute). Yoda would pretty much own Sidious in a lightsaber fight. A fight under fair conditions (like Yoda vs Dooku in AotC) would be like that:
- force battle with Sidious unable to overcome Yoda
- lightsaber duel with Yoda outclassing SidiousWell...if you are about to defeat one opponent in 30 seconds and are able to disarm the other in less than a minute I would call that "ownage" in terms of lightsaber combat. But well...Yoda had 10 times the experience of Dooku or Sidious with that weapon and that has to be good for something. [/B]
Amen Nai Fohl. Preach it.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
The fight regarding Count Dooku is another ambigious one. No where in the script does it remotely imply Dooku faking. If you're going to base things on a script - one that wasn't used completely, I might add - then it is safe to conclude that Anakin simply bested Dooku through superior skill as well.
No. It's not safe to conclude that Anakin bested Dooku through superior skill because we know that Obi-Wan and Anakin are on par when it comes to fighting skills and Dooku is superior to both of them.
It also says that Sidious simply cut the Jedi down, without usage of the Force to cloud their minds. So, we can also conclude Sidious bested them through superior skill.
That was a surprise attack and you know it but if you want to "conclude" that Sidious bested them through superior skill - ok. But than Mace and Yoda are both superior to Sidious.
It also says that Mace was killed under the sheer power of Sidious's lightning - instead of your theory of a Force push.
LOL. Can you read ? It says that Sidious lightning pushed Mace out of the window an he fell to his death.
So. If Yoda was about to land a killing blow on Sidious, why did he flee to another pod? This did not happen in the movie - nor does it make any sense - along with a majority of the script.
Oh...would you please think ? Yoda didn't have his lightsaber ready because he was deflecting Sidious force lightning so he had to gain distance to ready his lightsaber again and strike Sidious down since he doesn't have offensive force powers to kill Sidious. That's the reason while he later jumps to Sidious having his lightsaber in hand and then he has tro drop it because Sidious again starts attacking him with lightning.
Going by THAT script, the one YOU brought up, Yoda is also a coward because he fled when Sidious was still looking. The script also gives no indication of Clones being brought in, so that excuse is void.
You are stupid, aren't you ? Yoda didn't have his lightsaber any longer because he dropped it and fell down to the ground of the chamber after this. He had no chance to kill Sidious because he can't do this with force powers and his lightsaber was in a position where he couldn't reach it.
See what I mean? That script is FULL of damn inconsistancies - which if you want to base the Sidious vs Yoda duel on, you have to base all of the movie on.
You can't simply lose, can you ? Watch the movie and you can see that Yoda is superior to Sidious in force use and lightsaber combat - I don't need a script for that because I have seen it with my own eyes.
I wouldn't bet too much on a script like that. Even if Lucas intended to use it, it is obvious that the movie was depicted otherwise - or he made last minute changes.
Hooray. Scripts aren't valid if they contradict Mr.Darth Somebody's point of view. Nice to know that.
1. No. There is NOTHING to indicate in that script that Dooku was faking or whatever. According to that script, they fought - and Anakin simply beat him through superior skill. If you're going by this script, Nai, then Anakin won fair and square.
We know it's not true, but you wanted to bring up the script - and I'm showing you why it may show that Yoda could've killed Sidious - it also throws a lot of your crap back in your face.
2. You said Sidious used the Force to block their minds. You tried to excuse his skill on a cheap shot by the Force. And even IF he did, it was a fair shot - because there are no rules in a duel. This script proves that it was otherwise. Read it again - Palpatine stood up - grabbed his saber - muttered a line about treason and THEN flipped over the desk. Then he CHARGED them. They had their sabers already. No, Nai. Sidious ripped them apart because he was BETTER. Wrap your mind around that, already.
3. I agree. But YOU said Mace was pushed because of a Force push added to the lightning. According to that script, the sheer power of Sidious's assault threw him out of the window. Not a push.
4. That script said Yoda reflected Sidious's lightning - and said that he would kill Sidious. Then suddenly, Yoda flips away to a lower pod. The script gives no indication WHY he would do it - especially if he was going to land a killing blow. That not only does not make sense, but it's out of character for Yoda.
So no. I'm not stupid. All I see is you bringing up a script - which 45 percent of the material NOT being used - and trying to make it hold weight in the parts that the script's contents did NOT occur.
You're making excuses. Sidious owned the Jedi Masters - and I gave you proof. They had their sabers ignited - and were prepared to take him by force. Sidious stood up - grabbed his saber - muttered a line - flipped over his desk - and then CHARGED them.
If THAT isn't enough time for them to be prepared - as they should be already - then they deserved to die the hidious deaths he gave them.
YOU give ME proof that I'm wrong.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
1. No. There is NOTHING to indicate in that script that Dooku was faking or whatever. According to that script, they fought - and Anakin simply beat him through superior skill. If you're going by this script, Nai, then Anakin won fair and square.We know it's not true, but you wanted to bring up the script - and I'm showing you why it may show that Yoda could've killed Sidious - it also throws a lot of your crap back in your face.
2. You said Sidious used the Force to block their minds. You tried to excuse his skill on a cheap shot by the Force. And even IF he did, it was a fair shot - because there are no rules in a duel. This script proves that it was otherwise. Read it again - Palpatine stood up - grabbed his saber - muttered a line about treason and THEN flipped over the desk. Then he CHARGED them. They had their sabers already. No, Nai. Sidious ripped them apart because he was BETTER. Wrap your mind around that, already.
3. I agree. But YOU said Mace was pushed because of a Force push added to the lightning. According to that script, the sheer power of Sidious's assault threw him out of the window. Not a push.
4. That script said Yoda reflected Sidious's lightning - and said that he would kill Sidious. Then suddenly, Yoda flips away to a lower pod. The script gives no indication WHY he would do it - especially if he was going to land a killing blow. That not only does not make sense, but it's out of character for Yoda.
So no. I'm not stupid. All I see is you bringing up a script - which 45 percent of the material NOT being used - and trying to make it hold weight in the parts that the script's contents did NOT occur.
You're making excuses. Sidious owned the Jedi Masters - and I gave you proof. They had their sabers ignited - and were prepared to take him by force. Sidious stood up - grabbed his saber - muttered a line - flipped over his desk - and then CHARGED them.
If THAT isn't enough time for them to be prepared - as they should be already - then they deserved to die the hidious deaths he gave them.
YOU give ME proof that I'm wrong.
1. No. There is NOTHING to indicate in that script that Dooku was faking or whatever. According to that script, they fought - and Anakin simply beat him through superior skill. If you're going by this script, Nai, then Anakin won fair and square.
We know it's not true, but you wanted to bring up the script - and I'm showing you why it may show that Yoda could've killed Sidious - it also throws a lot of your crap back in your face.
The script leaves a truckload of the fights out, my friend. They don't determinate every single swing or anything. Dooku was trying to encourage Anakin to use the Dark side of the force to defeat him. Dooku had chances in the fight to kill Anakin. Watch it again! I swear to god he could have raped Anakin and Dooku wasn't even using Form II. He faked. That's out of the f*cking question.
2. You said Sidious used the Force to block their minds. You tried to excuse his skill on a cheap shot by the Force. And even IF he did, it was a fair shot - because there are no rules in a duel. This script proves that it was otherwise. Read it again - Palpatine stood up - grabbed his saber - muttered a line about treason and THEN flipped over the desk. Then he CHARGED them. They had their sabers already. No, Nai. Sidious ripped them apart because he was BETTER. Wrap your mind around that, already.
Ok, you are correct. Nai, the Knights had their sabers ignited and were waiting for a strike. I wonder if Fisto was suprised when he was defending Sidious' slashes and then got put to the ground by a chest slash.
"But Sorgo, the JEdi were trying to read palpys mind!"
Or...
"They got suprised"
Sassee has his saber about to strike Sidious down. Sassee wasn't trying to read shit, nor was he suprised. He just got his ass handed to him because he sucks with a Lightsaber. The end.
3. I agree. But YOU said Mace was pushed because of a Force push added to the lightning. According to that script, the sheer power of Sidious's assault threw him out of the window. Not a push.
Correct again. Sidious charged his Lightning while he was frying Windu and let out a final burst of his Lightning to throw him fifty feet onto the Coruscant Streets. There was no push or you would have seen Palpatine's palms prop foreward.
4. That script said Yoda reflected Sidious's lightning - and said that he would kill Sidious. Then suddenly, Yoda flips away to a lower pod. The script gives no indication WHY he would do it - especially if he was going to land a killing blow. That not only does not make sense, but it's out of character for Yoda.
Meh.... Whatever.
So no. I'm not stupid. All I see is you bringing up a script - which 45 percent of the material NOT being used - and trying to make it hold weight in the parts that the script's contents did NOT occur.
You're making excuses. Sidious owned the Jedi Masters - and I gave you proof. They had their sabers ignited - and were prepared to take him by force. Sidious stood up - grabbed his saber - muttered a line - flipped over his desk - and then CHARGED them.
If THAT isn't enough time for them to be prepared - as they should be already - then they deserved to die the hidious deaths he gave them.
YOU give ME proof that I'm wrong.
Yes, Sidious did. The Script isn't nothing because alot of things were taken out. Nothing in the script can be properly accounted for because it doesn't administer things into full elaboration of it's current state. Sorry, Nai. You're wrong this time around.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
1. No. There is NOTHING to indicate in that script that Dooku was faking or whatever. According to that script, they fought - and Anakin simply beat him through superior skill. If you're going by this script, Nai, then Anakin won fair and square.
Have you seen the movie ? He was kicking them around - he could have killed both of them in serveral occasions - now say Anakin has siperior skill is stupid.
We know it's not true, but you wanted to bring up the script - and I'm showing you why it may show that Yoda could've killed Sidious - it also throws a lot of your crap back in your face.
Show me the line where it says "Anakin cut Dookus hands of due to superior skill". Wait...there is no line saying that ? OMG ?!
2. You said Sidious used the Force to block their minds. You tried to excuse his skill on a cheap shot by the Force. And even IF he did, it was a fair shot - because there are no rules in a duel. This script proves that it was otherwise. Read it again - Palpatine stood up - grabbed his saber - muttered a line about treason and THEN flipped over the desk. Then he CHARGED them. They had their sabers already. No, Nai. Sidious ripped them apart because he was BETTER. Wrap your mind around that, already.
Who cares ? I always said that the only people that can win against Sidious in a 1vs1 are Mace, Yoda and Dooku. Now Mace = or inferior to Dooku; Mace > Sidious, Yoda > Sidious. Is there something else you want to debate ?
3. I agree. But YOU said Mace was pushed because of a Force push added to the lightning. According to that script, the sheer power of Sidious's assault threw him out of the window. Not a push.
Where did I ever say that ?
4. That script said Yoda reflected Sidious's lightning - and said that he would kill Sidious. Then suddenly, Yoda flips away to a lower pod. The script gives no indication WHY he would do it - especially if he was going to land a killing blow. That not only does not make sense, but it's out of character for Yoda.
Where does it say that Sidious own lightning would kill Sidious ? Learn how to read.
The script says that Yoda needs both hands to deflect Sidious lightning (that's why he drops his lightsaber later). How should he use both hands to deflect the lightning and - at the same time - use his lightsaber to kill Sidious ?
So no. I'm not stupid. All I see is you bringing up a script - which 45 percent of the material NOT being used - and trying to make it hold weight in the parts that the script's contents did NOT occur.
45 % of the material not used ? Shall I laugh ? The script is actually more "canon" material than the novelizations. So what ?
You're making excuses. Sidious owned the Jedi Masters - and I gave you proof. They had their sabers ignited - and were prepared to take him by force. Sidious stood up - grabbed his saber - muttered a line - flipped over his desk - and then CHARGED them.If THAT isn't enough time for them to be prepared - as they should be already - then they deserved to die the hidious deaths he gave them.
YOU give ME proof that I'm wrong.
What are you coming to discuss the goddamn "Sidious owning three Jedi masters scene" again ? If you haven't realized it: This thread is about Yoda and Sidious and Yoda would own (read it O W N) Sidious in a regular fight.
Jesus, DS.... not this again. Go argue that Sidious rules on some movie fanboy site. Not here.
And btw, I suggested that Mace was Force pushed, since he suddenly flew out of the window. Now, I thought that a Force push was used, since Mace's defenses against telekinesis are pretty much gone when he's being shocked. If it was the sheer power of Sidious' lightning that made him fly out that far, why the hell wasn't he out the window on the first hit? If the power was that great, how was Mace Windu able to withstand the brunt of it from point blank range with his saber? The answer is it isn't that concussively powerful- Sidious most likely used a Force push to send Mace sprawling, and his hand moving or not moving isn't a factor.