ROTS Windu, Drallig & Kenobi vs Dooku, Grevious & Ventress

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
It's clearly said that Vaapad uses dark side powers (thereby emotions) and channels them but keeping them under control. And it is an aggressive fighting style since it's based on Juyo. Just have a look at Mace Windus face after he killed Jango Fett and tell me what you see there.

Dooku vs Mace would be a close fight. It will take a lot of time no matter who you think will win it. Now Grievous will get owned by either Obi-Wan or Cin Drallig in less than a minute and then it's no matter if the one that defeated Grievous will help the one that fights Ventress (who will be probably defeated by Cin or Obi-Wan too) or Mace fighting Dooku. Dooku or Ventress will both go down facing two of the Jedi thereby Cin, Mace and Obi-Wan win.

Ok, well, tell me where it says Vapaad "clearly uses Dark Side powers", then i'll believe this load of horseshit.

Mace controls his emotions when he uses it. He does not use the Dark side to fuel it, being one of the reasons he advanced it to Vapaad. He doesn't use it to it's full investment.

Did you see Kenobi's face when he killed Maul? Or Luke's face when he dispatched Vader's hand?

Mace lost when they were training, Dooku could do it again.
1. That was when Mace was alot less experienced. he gained a lot of power just between TPM and ROTS. Anyway, starwas.com says Mace and Yoda are on par and Yoda was beating Dooku. But if you insist:
Windu vs. Grievous = Windu
Obi-Wan vs. Asajj = Obi-Wan
Cin vs. Dooku = Dooku
Obi-Wan and Mace vs. Dooku = Dooku gets owned
Cin trained all the Jedi that died on Geonosis
And all the jedi that lived. But you can't expect him to train them to be invinsible.
and was killed by Anakin who was using one hand.
Yeah, and he also trained Anakin.
Asajj gave Anakin a nasty scar and survived from him.
That was a much weaker version of Anakin then the one Cin fought.
She was also trained by Dooku.
But Cin was trained by Yoda.
Asajj wins.
I don't think so. In LOE Dooku says Cin could beat Grievous. In another book Grievous beats Asajj (I think her and Durge at the same time). Also, if Asajj was stronger than Grievous why isn't she the commander of the CIS?
Do you think Dooku has been sitting on his arse drinking Martini's all day? No! Obviously Dooku has gained experience as well.
Yeah, but not as much as Mace, IMO. Mace was fighting alot, especially during the Clone Wars, while most of the practice Dooku got was from sparring with his minions.

Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]Mace lost when they were training, Dooku could do it again.
1. That was when Mace was alot less experienced. he gained a lot of power just between TPM and ROTS. Anyway, starwas.com says Mace and Yoda are on par and Yoda was beating Dooku. But if you insist:
Windu vs. Grievous = Windu
Obi-Wan vs. Asajj = Obi-Wan
Cin vs. Dooku = Dooku
Obi-Wan and Mace vs. Dooku = Dooku gets owned
Cin trained all the Jedi that died on Geonosis
And all the jedi that lived. But you can't expect him to train them to be invinsible.
and was killed by Anakin who was using one hand.
Yeah, and he also trained Anakin.
Asajj gave Anakin a nasty scar and survived from him.
That was a much weaker version of Anakin then the one Cin fought.
She was also trained by Dooku.
But Cin was trained by Yoda.
Asajj wins.
I don't think so. In LOE Dooku says Cin could beat Grievous. In another book Grievous beats Asajj (I think her and Durge at the same time). Also, if Asajj was stronger than Grievous why isn't she the commander of the CIS?
Do you think Dooku has been sitting on his arse drinking Martini's all day? No! Obviously Dooku has gained experience as well.
Yeah, but not as much as Mace, IMO. Mace was fighting alot, especially during the Clone Wars, while most of the practice Dooku got was from sparring with his minions. [/B]

Ah, the same newbish comment as usual.

"Mace gained experience after their fight."

So did Dooku, and if Cin was trained by Yoda, how come Cin lost to Anakin and Asajj held up against Anakin?

And all the jedi that lived.

That was a very silly statement. He didn't train Obi Wan, Mace or Anakin. He also never trained Kit Fisto, Plo Koon or some other Jedi that survived.

Dooku still got practice. He also did some fighting on Geonosis and fought a few Jedi. The practice Mace got wasn't against Jedi, it was against droids and Bounty Hunters. Any practice Dooku had was with Jedi.

Like Rex said, Dooku's form is the only one that sorely concentrates on One VS One Lightsaber Combat. And Dooku has mastered Makashi to the highest degree. Dooku would rip Windu to shreds.

Obi-Wan and Mace vs. Dooku = Dooku gets owned

No. As you have seen, Dooku is no weasel when it comes to fighting two opponents at once. Dooku would rip Kenobi up and then concentrate on destroying Windu, which would sooner or later.... Happen!

Vaapad is NOT meant to use the Dark Side! It never says that anywhere, it only says that it is dangerous for a fighter to use because it is so agressive.

Cin Drallig did not train everyone in the way you'd think, like Padawans. He, like Yoda in Episode II, taught the Younglings how to pick up the lightsaber, but not master it.

Sorgo, that's just fanboyish. It really is. Dooku would be able to put Obi down for a second or so, like his uber kick, or Force push. But with Mace on him, he isn't going to be able to permamently or even truly effectively put Obi out of the fight. Just admit for once that Dooku might actually lose. . .

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Sorgo, that's just fanboyish. It really is. Dooku would be able to put Obi down for a second or so, like his uber kick, or Force push. But with Mace on him, he isn't going to be able to permamently or even truly effectively put Obi out of the fight. Just admit for once that Dooku might actually lose. . .

Fanboyish? As i recall, Obi Wan was sliced at his shoulder and leg. Dooku could have gone full swing, buddy. And Dooku might be able to hold them both, who knows.

I think that ventress could take cin or obi wan if she had time. 1on 1 with obi she only lost wen she was under water. and she killed 18? jedi in the clone wars?

Originally posted by Sorgo
Fanboyish? As i recall, Obi Wan was sliced at his shoulder and leg. Dooku could have gone full swing, buddy. And Dooku might be able to hold them both, who knows.

In AOTC, when he was not nearly as good a swordsman as he had become by ROTS. Would he lose to Dooku in a duel? Hell yeah. A good Force attack or a well-placed strike could take him out. But when Obi is taken out in both movies, he is alone. Given, in ROTS, he has Anakin, but he was literally kicked away. Not gonna happen with Mace. Now, the two would be hard-pressed to take out Dooku, for sure. But Dooku doesn't really stand a chance here.

Originally posted by Sorgo
Mace VS Dooku = Dooku

Mace lost when they were training, Dooku could do it again. Dooku is far more experienced and lets his anger fuel his dueling, making him a fast and deadly opponent. Mace's style is ment for dark-siders, being that you have to contest anger into the form, making Mace held back with his form. Dooku wins.

Obi VS Grievous = Obi

We have seen Obi cut off two of Grievous' hands and kill him with a gun. Kenobi wins this.

Cin VS Asajj = Asajj

Cin trained all the Jedi that died on Geonosis and was killed by Anakin who was using one hand. Asajj gave Anakin a nasty scar and survived from him. She was also trained by Dooku. Asajj wins.

Cin vs Assaj is a little hard to determain

Originally posted by Sorgo
Fanboyish? As i recall, Obi Wan was sliced at his shoulder and leg. Dooku could have gone full swing, buddy. And Dooku might be able to hold them both, who knows.

I'm not sure if this is true or not; I'm no lightsaber expert, but it looked to me like Obi-wan was using form four in the beginning of his fight with Dooku. This goes with the book(its better than nothing). Dooku is the best at form two, but Obi-wan was the best at form three. If he had been using this, I think he could have posed much more of a threat. If you are wondering why Obi-wan and Anakin fought like this, it was to get Dooku overconfident.

Dooku would throw Obi-Wan around like a twilek trick and duel Mace. After a while Dooku defeats Mace. Grievous and Assaj would overpower Drallig. Grievous on his own would probably waste the guy. . .

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
In AOTC, when he was not nearly as good a swordsman as he had become by ROTS. Would he lose to Dooku in a duel? Hell yeah. A good Force attack or a well-placed strike could take him out. But when Obi is taken out in both movies, he is alone. Given, in ROTS, he has Anakin, but he was literally kicked away. Not gonna happen with Mace. Now, the two would be hard-pressed to take out Dooku, for sure. But Dooku doesn't really stand a chance here.

Now what in god's name makes you think Windu is unkickable? Is he anti-kick? Does he put Anti-kicking cream on in the morning? Didn't think so.

And do you really think that they mean on par with power? This is a widely thrown assumption. For all you know, it means they are on par as positions in the Council or on par with the force. It does not say they are on par with saber skill OR force.

I am sure the databank would elaborate whether they were on par with skill or force, but they didn't, so it proves nothing.

Dooku would rip Kenobi apart, then go on to face Mace and defeat him once again to hold his title as the "Charasmatic Sith Lord".

First off, I never said he was "unkickable." But do you really think a swordsman of Mace's calibre is going to go down that easily? I don't. And even if he does, I doubt they'll be anything like was done with Anakin and Obi-Wan.

I don't even know what the other lines are about. . .

Originally posted by Darth Faunus
First off, I never said he was "unkickable." But do you really think a swordsman of Mace's calibre is going to go down that easily? I don't. And even if he does, I doubt they'll be anything like was done with Anakin and Obi-Wan.

I don't even know what the other lines are about. . .

Why wouldn't he? If Dooku's kick can hurt a twenty something year old in his prime, what's it gonna do to a fifty something year old man?

Mace is the Orders second greatest swordmans, coming second to Yoda.

He isn't invincible. A kick will still hurt him. Windu being a great swordsman doesn't tell dick to waht a kick will do to him. Come on now.

I doubt he'd leave himself open to something like that. . . but let's forget this and get on with our lives. . .

Mace beat dooku,only just, but he wud, Obi wan i think could take ventressand then help Drallig then botyh help mace beat dooku, but if it was, dooku vs drallig, cin could hold him up for a while. Mace could beat ventress quick and then help obi wan beat gg and the 3on 1

Originally posted by Yoda qel Droma
Mace beat dooku,only just, but he wud, Obi wan i think could take ventressand then help Drallig then botyh help mace beat dooku, but if it was, dooku vs drallig, cin could hold him up for a while. Mace could beat ventress quick and then help obi wan beat gg and the 3on 1

"Wud" Mace really beat dooku?111?!11on3on3?

Can you provide solid evidence of how Mace is gonna go about defeating Dooku?

He's our first 'Tember Member.

Wikipedia is such bullshit! They said that Dooku started training with Form II when he turned to the Dark Side. This is impossible. Unless he managed to master a Form within two years.

WIKIPEDIA SHALL BE EATEN BY THE CHINCHILLAS!