Originally posted by Lord Janus
Why would I hate the Ratakan now?
The Yuuzhan Vong and the Rakata are very similar.
You hate the Yuuzhan Vong because they don't have the force and neither do the Rakata. Actually, they both had it at one time, but they both lost it over thousands of years. The Yuuzhan Vong are very similar actually. The Yuuzhan Vong destroyed much of their own galaxy in a civil war which forced them to leave.
The Rakata almost destroyed them selves in a civil war. The Yuuzhan Vong terraformed planets. The Rakata terraformed planets. The Yuuzhan Vong once had force power, they lost it. The Rakata once had force power, they lost it. The Yuuzhan Vong had a super-powerful living force creature(Zonama Sekot). The Rakata had a super-powerful living force creature(The SF).
The Yuuzhan Vong were once almost destroyed by the species they controlled via bioenginered weapon that only affected Yuuzhan Vong(aka. Alpha Red). The Rakata were almost destroyed by the species they controlled via bioenginered weapon that only affected Rakata(The Plague). Both were vicious war-loving species.
Actually, it's more than that. Here's why:
The Vong rely on 'organic' technology that is somehow superior to technology as we know it. This is a sci-fi trend that has absolutely NO grounding in science, even vaguely. Apparently it's just some bullshit spiel cooked up to make the Vong "different". But the point is, you are organic. Every living thing is. Do you see living things taking out tanks anytime soon? No. It'll never happen. Organic material is carbon based and is not very strong. Organic ships should not exist because living beings cannot be used instrumentally like that. They cannot propel themselves through space at superlight speeds, and they should not be able to fire anything that can harm a warship of the Republic that is made of more processed and refined shielded metal than a good sector of Coruscant. The way they are presented is ridiculous. SImply put - Organic tech < Metal/Electrical tech.
The Vong are portrayed as the main antagonists. And they are super deadly opponents to the jedi. Fine, whatever. Silly, but bring it. And then suddenly they can't be "affected" directly by the Force. This contradicts Yoda's in-movie statement, since he says "The Force is in all living things." If the Vong cannot feel the Force (even barely) then they must not be living. And if they are not living, they cannot rely on organic powers to overcome technology or even to defeat Force using jedi. This doesn't add up, just like the new "take" on the Force (read: some collection of author's ideas on how morlity works, sans GL's work) doesn't add up for shit.
And lastly, the Ratakan WERE Force users at their peak, making them instruments of the dark side. This goes with the overall theme of the SW universe. The Vong with their nonattachment to the Force and the jedi going suddenly quite grey just destroys the validity of the series, entirely.
And not to mention the Vong look really ****ing stupid.
Whatever they still weren't affected by the force. Thats freaking impossible as you should be dead the second the force isn't around anymore.
According to Yoda everything is the force, the rock the tree the air the water. Everything. IF the vong are not part of the force then they are nothing. So they should be dead.
That was actaully taked about in the NJO books. I think they were trying to decide whether using Alpha Red and letting the Bothan's declare their Ektdjdsjoprgou(total war) would be the right thing to do from the LS standpoint because the Yuuzhan Vong aren't really alive. The strange thing is they decide they aren;t alive, but that it would be wrong to go and make a genocide of them.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
That was actaully taked about in the NJO books. I think they were trying to decide whether using Alpha Red and letting the Bothan's declare their Ektdjdsjoprgou(total war) would be the right thing to do from the LS standpoint because the Yuuzhan Vong aren't really alive. The strange thing is they decide they aren;t alive, but that it would be wrong to go and make a genocide of them.
Which is stupid, and shows a lack of ethical clarity on the part of the authors. If you conclude that the Vong are not worthy of the same moral courtesy of sentients that make up the Republic and other areas, they have no rights and can be exploited entirely. Instead, this just sounds like weak justification on the part of the author to have a war but not 'seem' amoral about it, even if it is total war which is never moral against other sentient life or even really, to the ecosystem.
And that word looks like your cat got to your keyboard. Is that a real Bothan word? And if so, what dumbass author made it up?
Here's an idea: Let's find a verified certification of the ships and their respective powers.
Wait...
I bet my ass the only ships that have any kind of specs and verifiable power are the Empire's, because they're in the movies. There isn't jack shit to tell us what kind of ships the Infinite empire had, and jack shit to tell us how powerful anything else is when compared to an Imperial vessel. So... we have nothing in fact to go on, and next to nothing to infer upon... This is unresolveable, case closed.