Battle of the Dark Lords

I voted Morgoth.

the only reason morgoth lost was because they sent all the GODs after him!!!

he caused a rebellion in heaven for crying out loud. he created new species...

his body guards were balrogs!!!

what's wrong with everyone?!?

comparing morgoth to darth sideous is like comparing satan to hitler!

and PS. the jedi fooled by DS didn't seem all that smart either...

and Voldermort? the dude scared a baby. ooooooooh....

please.

Morgoth all the way. (Sauron was kick ass though, but he was defeeated by lesser beings).

Originally posted by Bar-en-Danwedh
the only reason morgoth lost was because they sent all the GODs after him!!!

he caused a rebellion in heaven for crying out loud. he created new species...

his body guards were balrogs!!!

what's wrong with everyone?!?

comparing morgoth to darth sideous is like comparing satan to hitler!

and PS. the jedi fooled by DS didn't seem all that smart either...

and Voldermort? the dude scared a baby. ooooooooh....

please.

Morgoth all the way. (Sauron was kick ass though, but he was defeeated by lesser beings).

his forces were made by him, from him. he sacrificed his own power to create the dragons and trolls. as an individual he was mostly a paranoid coward as the years went on... and a bit of a throne sitter.

but he used himself as a sorce of power to create Glaurung who alone would kick those other guy's asses!

and lets not forget the size defference... Morgoth (the early years) swinging Grond against Sidious and a lightsabre...

I still vote Morgoth.

I'm sorry I thought this was the Battle of the Dark Lords not Battle of the Dark Lords and their wolf.

um... Glaurung was a dragon.

(and sauron was beaten by a wolf)

but my point was that before making all those things, morgoth was stronger.

and back in the day when he fought fingolfin he would have kicked ass.

given a choice he would have sent someone else to fight vader, voldermort and so on...

but i think your giving the guy a seriously hard time...

i mean the only reason Sauron was trying to take over middle earth was to build his forces to do a jail break in the abyss, and bring old Melly back to rule.

that was the whole point of bombadil... to show you that Sauron wasn't the end all be all...
but the big S was pretty kick ass, i won't deny!

Whatever...

And Sauron was beaten by a dog but at least he least he was man enough to face them instead of hiding in his fortress

i didn't say morgoth wasn't a coward...

(and sauron only came out after a long line of wolves were sent out... he came out as a last resort...)

No he underestimated his opponent and Lethian was casting her sleep spell on Sauron.

morgoth is a powerful coward.

He gave up most of his power on his servants and depended on them from that point on

okay, sorry... he was defeated by a dog and a girl.

although Luthien and Huan's tag team effort were not enough to slow down Carcharoth...

(excl. the fact that H and C nutted each other)

Huan slew Car. alone but died in the process and Luthien did not aid him that time

there's a bit of a rock paper scissors thing happening in middle earth when it comes to power...

morgoth would win

Morgoth gave too much of his power away and became totally dependent on his servants. It was his armies that destroyed a lot of northern Middle-earth, not Morgoth.

Sauron just nicked all of Morgoth's creations that Morgoth had made from his own power. And Sauron was actually pretty stupid for sticking his hand out to Isildur. Morgoth defeated Fingolfin (albeit it was close) who was the greatest of the Noldor, whereas Sauron just gets his fricking hand chopped off.

There is no competition in the end of this. Valar are much stronger than Maia.

Morgoth was badly wounded with 7 cuts that could never heal. Sauron was killing men left and right when he was stupid. That was the only time Morgoth came out of his fortress.

Yes but Morgoth is a Valar, Sauron is Maia. Morgoth wins on sheer principle. I think that if Fingolfin were to fight Sauron that the fight would be even/go in Fingolfin's way.

Morgoth was more powerful than Sauron.

Tou all keep refering to Morgoth at a point when he had sacrificed himself to make other creatures...

if you're going to that then we may as well take Sauron from the point he was at during LOTR. a big red eye who relied heavily on orcs made by morgoth.

it's very circumstantial. but there's a reason Sauron followed Morgoth, and not vice versa.