Electro vs Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
The reference to nanomachines was in the Weapon X book where they went into full scientific detail about how his skeleton was bonded.

How do his claws retract back and forth? I'm guessing in the same fashion that his elbows and wrists bend, while bonded the skeleton remains fully articulated...

I don't really see how this is up for debate when multiple variations of Wolverine have been seen to have been blown completely off his skeleton while remainging in one solidary piece.

616 included. 😬

I don't pretend that it makes sense, but it doesn't make less sense than people getting their superpowers from radiation. So in relative comparison with everything else, why is Wolverine the only comic book character who gets slapped with this ridiculous standard of real world comparisons?

Well maybe because seeing Wolverine in the X-Men movies makes him more "real world". It's not just Wolverine I have "issues" with.

The original Spiderman would stick to wall because his finger tips secreted an adhesive. Then how does the adhesive pass through his gloves?...and if it did pass through his gloves,wouldn't the gloves be left on the wall when he jumps off the wall....leaving two gloves just stuck there,hanging there?

How does Namor really fly with those tiny wings ?? No matter how fast he flapped them the could never move enough air. (It might help him in water though)............

How can Cap throw his shield through a truck? I know the shield is strong but he would have to stronger than peak human to do so.

How can Superman fly in space? What propels him? Thor uses his hammer which has magic...well at least it's explained. Iron Man has rockets in his boots.It's explained.

I could go on for days with a list.

Hulk,Spiderman,F4,Daredevil,Godzilla etc got powers from radiation. In the movie Night of the Living Dead people came back to life from radiation.....Today we all know that's not possible in the real world. But those characters came out in the 1960s and back then we really didn't know too much about radiation so it "could" be possible and "believable" to the reader. I grew up in the 60s and kids then knew Superman was fantasy but radiation? Well with radiation who knows. We had a "could happen,maybe,who knows" attitude. That's one of the reasons Marvel had a stronger following than DC,along with better character development.

All comic characters have some explanation to why they are what they are: Mutant,Alien,Radiation,Chemicals,Tech,Magic,god,Training etc.....

To have a guy wake up on morning and have rock hard skin and X-Ray vision with no explanation would not wash with readers. The origin must follow some type of logic,even if it's comic book logic. Some explanation is given. Right?

Back to Wolverine. When he first came out (I remember when his claws came out the back of his hands) Marvel said his strong mutant bones are covered in Adamantium to make then even stronger. There was NO mention that the bones were "fused" together in any way. For all intent they were a "normal" layout except "plated" with Adamantium (and the claws). And in the 80s I don't recall him losing large parts of his body in combat. Now he can lose his whole body and still regenerate from a single cell. He could not do it if his bones fell apart. To have bones that are "Hulk" proof is a major upgrade. He now has great offensive and defensive capabilities. It would be nice if Marvel fully explained how they are "bonded/fused/connected" (and when,was it from the begining?). If they did could someone let me know what issue....Not that it matters to most but I do enjoy logic in a story....even if it's "comic book logic".

Jinzin,Thanks for taking the time and for all your input on this subject.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
o by stopping impules he is preventing the nerurons from sparking

this doesnt damage them at all

Infact it is more a a stasis then anything

This is true. Stopping the impulses does not stop the blood flow.....so no damage any brain cells. In this case Wolverine would be at Electro's
mercy.

The jobber can win this one. Hip-hip-hurray! 💃

Originally posted by yugotank
Well maybe because seeing Wolverine in the X-Men movies makes him more "real world". It's not just Wolverine I have "issues" with.

The original Spiderman would stick to wall because his finger tips secreted an adhesive. Then how does the adhesive pass through his gloves?...and if it did pass through his gloves,wouldn't the gloves be left on the wall when he jumps off the wall....leaving two gloves just stuck there,hanging there?

How does Namor really fly with those tiny wings ?? No matter how fast he flapped them the could never move enough air. (It might help him in water though)............

How can Cap throw his shield through a truck? I know the shield is strong but he would have to stronger than peak human to do so.

How can Superman fly in space? What propels him? Thor uses his hammer which has magic...well at least it's explained. Iron Man has rockets in his boots.It's explained.

I could go on for days with a list.

Hulk,Spiderman,F4,Daredevil,Godzilla etc got powers from radiation. In the movie Night of the Living Dead people came back to life from radiation.....Today we all know that's not possible in the real world. But those characters came out in the 1960s and back then we really didn't know too much about radiation so it "could" be possible and "believable" to the reader. I grew up in the 60s and kids then knew Superman was fantasy but radiation? Well with radiation who knows. We had a "could happen,maybe,who knows" attitude. That's one of the reasons Marvel had a stronger following than DC,along with better character development.

All comic characters have some explanation to why they are what they are: Mutant,Alien,Radiation,Chemicals,Tech,Magic,god,Training etc.....

To have a guy wake up on morning and have rock hard skin and X-Ray vision with no explanation would not wash with readers. The origin must follow some type of logic,even if it's comic book logic. Some explanation is given. Right?

All granted... But Wolverine's character wasn't much younger having come out of the 70's..

Originally posted by yugotank
Back to Wolverine. When he first came out (I remember when his claws came out the back of his hands) Marvel said his strong mutant bones are covered in Adamantium to make then even stronger. There was NO mention that the bones were "fused" together in any way. For all intent they were a "normal" layout except "plated" with Adamantium (and the claws).

Well no, there wouldn't be... At the time there was no concept that Wolverine's claws were even part of his bones, it wasn't till years after his first appearance that he showed them not to be a part of his gloves but his physiology instead, hell he didn't even have an acredited healing factor until WELL after joining the X-Men.
His character has been in constant development even up till NOW considering Loebs latest Wolverine arch.

Originally posted by yugotank
And in the 80s I don't recall him losing large parts of his body in combat. Now he can lose his whole body and still regenerate from a single cell. He could not do it if his bones fell apart. To have bones that are "Hulk" proof is a major upgrade. He now has great offensive and defensive capabilities. It would be nice if Marvel fully explained how they are "bonded/fused/connected" (and when,was it from the begining?). If they did could someone let me know what issue....Not that it matters to most but I do enjoy logic in a story....even if it's "comic book logic".

I suppose I'm a bit confused by what you mean when you say "Hulk proof" in regards to his skeleton because he's been taking Hulk shots since his first appearance.

I assume you're reffering to his inability to be torn limb from limb, in which case he did the same thing with Ba'al back in an early run of his first comic series which was somewhere in the late 80's.

Yeah it would be nice.. I just don't know how they would go about doing that, if it IS like the action figure theory I made up, that would mean they omited that bit of info about his character's history for years lol... It's just one of those things that you gotta just accept and say 'the hell with it".. just like spidey with the wall crawling lol..

Originally posted by yugotank
Jinzin,Thanks for taking the time and for all your input on this subject.

Absolutely, I never mind conversing with people about Wolverine factoids or theories when they're reasonable enough to listen instead of just implacing their own limitations on the character regardless of facts and evidence.

When I said "Hulk Proof",I meant couldn't be torn apart by some great force.I've been reading X-men on and off for many years.I remember back in the day they were not too popular and was a bimonthly book on the verge of cancellation. The New X-Men hit the stands and only then did it get the fan base it has today. I remember Thunderbird got killed in the 2nd issure and most were shocked......I thought they knew about his HF when they put the adamantium on his bones.I think they said a norman man's body cound'nt survive the operation and all that metal would poison his body.I could be wrong as it's been a while and X-Men for me was on and off,never steady reading.

"All granted... But Wolverine's character wasn't much younger having come out of the 70's.. "

True but times had a large change from the mid 60s to the mid 70s. Just as there was a huge change in things from the mid 70s to the mid 80s.Huge changes have taken place in those two 10 year gaps. Cold war,Viet Nam war,politics,womans rights,social writes,civil rights,the computer age,etc.......Think about it. In the mid 60s Mississippi still had 2 types of public water fountains.One for whites and one for blacks.All those changes were reflected in the comics of the day.I have issues showing Tony Stark,Black Panther and even Captain America smoking.Today that would be a huge No No!

Wolverine and Batman are super popular now so it's kinda like you either lovem or hate'em.That's way it is on this type of forum, they are either bashed by their haters or defened by diehard "fanboys".When someone bashes Moon Knight nobody really cares.

It's been nice chattin with ya and thanks again.

Originally posted by yugotank
When I said "Hulk Proof",I meant couldn't be torn apart by some great force.I've been reading X-men on and off for many years.I remember back in the day they were not too popular and was a bimonthly book on the verge of cancellation. The New X-Men hit the stands and only then did it get the fan base it has today. I remember Thunderbird got killed in the 2nd issure and most were shocked......I thought they knew about his HF when they put the adamantium on his bones.I think they said a norman man's body cound'nt survive the operation and all that metal would poison his body.I could be wrong as it's been a while and X-Men for me was on and off,never steady reading

The mentioning of admantium poisoning and the necessity for a healing factor for the bonding operation didn't come about until the Weapon X arc in Marvel Comics Presents... but that was well after the developtment of the charater.

Originally posted by yugotank
True but times had a large change from the mid 60s to the mid 70s. Just as there was a huge change in things from the mid 70s to the mid 80s.Huge changes have taken place in those two 10 year gaps. Cold war,Viet Nam war,politics,womans rights,social writes,civil rights,the computer age,etc.......Think about it. In the mid 60s Mississippi still had 2 types of public water fountains.One for whites and one for blacks.All those changes were reflected in the comics of the day.I have issues showing Tony Stark,Black Panther and even Captain America smoking.Today that would be a huge No No!

I don't see how that's a relivant tangent to this discussion. I mean of course political and social changes were made.. Hell, I could think of half a dozen major changes in those categories since Marvel came out with Civil War off the top of my head.. But in terms of adding more detailed, logic following distribution of superpowers.. Well we haven't really seen a trend towards that until the late 90's. 😬

Implacing such a harsh standard on Wolverine's nonsensical powers while upholding that it's even semi-okay for other older heroes just seems a bit odd to me.

Originally posted by yugotank
Wolverine and Batman are super popular now so it's kinda like you either lovem or hate'em.That's way it is on this type of forum, they are either bashed by their haters or defened by diehard "fanboys".When someone bashes Moon Knight nobody really cares.

It's been nice chattin with ya and thanks again.

of course cheers

wolverin speed blitzs him and takes him out