Onslaught vs Odin

Originally posted by rotiart
Look. The point is there us a general basis to some real world ideas... But writers and artists do not do research into every little item to justify the on panel feats of all characters...

You provided an incredibly detailed mathematically argument for supermans punch having billions of tons of force...

What about captain america stopping a semi truck with a throw of his shield... Do you think any Olympic level person couldstop a semi moving...if I provided the math for you on that would you then agree about the new tons of strength I can use now for cap?

Or the infamous batman taking down or even hurting people who take hits from 100 tonners...

Yes there are some real world physics in comics... But the majority of the feats in comics defy logic. And your issue i'd that you don't know when to apply the actual physics... And when to extrapolate artists rendition of events

Reading comics is like a roleplaying game. They set the rules very clearly... Cast heal and peoPle heal.. Cast life and peoe come back from the dead. Now explain that to poor aeris in her final fantasy vii cutscene...

Sometimes they have to break the rules to make the story fit..

Originally posted by h1a8
Flash IMPs are explained by the comic to be based on Special Relativity too.

Superman absorbed newton's third law the same as Thanos absorbed it hitting SS.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman used an IMP to bust the shadow moon. The narration specifically used Special Relativity theory. Flash IMPs are explained by the comic to be based on Special Relativity too.

Several people (if not all) have agreed with me some of the time. No one seems to agree with you though. It seems you got a Superman is not the strongest. But he is definitely stronger than most humanoid beings. Potentially (sundipped, mental blocks off, and full willed) he is the strongest of all non abstract beings.

Some feats of why I believe in Superman's strength

Superman moving planets
Superman casually lifting mountains
Superman moving structures bigger than the Earth Moon system
Superman punches so strong that he's altering reality and destroying planets with the shockwaves alone.
Superman casually punching 1600lb beings into orbit and through thick and highly durable walls in space.
Superman breaking thru highly durable GL shields (Hal's and Stewart's)
Superman bending WW's braces
Superman hurting DD
and more

I believe Superman is only on par with CM and BA only because of his mental blocks. But potentially he is much higher than them.

So you are saying with an outside amp he is the strongest. I didn't ask about how strong he is when his powers increase did I? What makes you think while sundipped he becomes the strongest there is? Name some feats since you seem so obsessed with them.

When has he moved a planet?

Lifting a mountain is nothing impressive when we talk about Thor, Herc, the Hulk.

Such as?

When? I think you are exaggerating and leaving out the context behind the feat.

Again, not impressive.

Breaking through gl constructs isn't that impressive either considering the company we are talking about here.

When did he do that?

How is hurting DD impressive?

Marvel also holds back against Superman so I fail to see your point.

Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't matter. A character still performed the feat. Unless you think handbooks should be the judge.
Yes I did. That is why he is incredibly strong. No. Because CA is a peak human and cannot exceed a certain limit without being PIS. If Superman destroyed a galaxy with a punch I would call PIS on that too. PIS I rarely argue that certain things can't happen in comics. I just calculate them assuming they can. I believe in the suspension of belief to a certain degree. Well nearly everyone here goes by the best feats for proof for their character. I would be at a serious disadvantage if I couldn't do the same.

You provide way too many pis or abc logic arguments when it suits you
and argue against them when it doesn't
gladiator busted a planet, blue marvel knocked sentry In to space and showed equal strength to sentry.... Sentry matched up with ares...

So I guess every 100 tonner in marvel is billions of tons too...

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not saying it never has happened before I am saying for the most part real world physics are ignored.

So you are saying with an outside amp he is the strongest. I didn't ask about how strong he is when his powers increase did I? What makes you think while sundipped he becomes the strongest there is? Name some feats since you seem so obsessed with them.

When has he moved a planet?

Lifting a mountain is nothing impressive when we talk about Thor, Herc, the Hulk.

Such as?

When? I think you are exaggerating and leaving out the context behind the feat.

Again, not impressive.

Breaking through gl constructs isn't that impressive either considering the company we are talking about here.

When did he do that?

How is hurting DD impressive?

Marvel also holds back against Superman so I fail to see your point.

Lifting a mountain is impressive especially when Thor, Hulk, or Herc never done it. Hulk braced part of a mountain with help (not the same as lifting a full whole one by himself). But that feat is PIS (that doesn't mean that Hulk could never lift a mountain if he isn't angry enough though).

Maggeddon!

His fight with General Zod. Their punches against each other shattered the planet they were fighting on.

The Lobo feat is probably the single greatest of all of his feats. It takes astronomical amount of tons just to barely knock a 1600lb being into orbit. It takes astronomical times more to knock them with such a speed that while in space they are still moving so fast that they go through several very thick and highly durable alien ship walls like paper.

Considering the forces that GL's shields have held it is very impressive. I don't like to use PC Gl feats to back me up. But I will use them if I see members using a bunch of ridiculous 1960, 1970 feats to argue against me.

Superman seemed to bend her braces in Sacrifice. He may not have bent them, the artwork made it look like he did it though.

DD is nearly indestructible. I sometimes tend to think its PIS for even Superman to harm him. I view HP DD as totally indestructible. IMO, the Imperiex thing was PIS as the HP comic explained that no force in the universe can now end DD except the end of time.

Holding back consciously is not the same as holding back unconsiously. Plus it is speculation that CM holds back on Superman since it was never mentioned. He may know that the only way to harm Superman is to use all of his might. That is to say, if CM chooses to hold back then he might not affect Superman in the slightest.

Originally posted by rotiart
I don't like handbooks
and how convenient for you that if superman does it the. It's a feat but if anyone else does it it's pis
especially since that's not the only feat like that cap has
Orion is stronger than superman and so is doomsday... So I'm guessing thy are more than billions of tons... Ww, mm, are ner equals to superman so by your logic dc is made up of tons of billions and millions of tons strength heroes...

You provide way too many pis or abc logic arguments when it suits you
and argue against them when it doesn't
gladiator busted a planet, blue marvel knocked sentry In to space and showed equal strength to sentry.... Sentry matched up with ares...

So I guess every 100 tonner in marvel is billions of tons too...

When I provide a PIS argument I am right. I doesn't matter how much I provide them or if it suits me. All that matters is if I'm right.

I have no problem with Gladiator busting a planet, or blue marvel (whoever that is) hitting Sentry to space. I have a problem with peak humans performing class 100 feats though.

Sundipped Superman overpowered thousands of galaxies of power. That is why he is the strongest outside the abstract beings when amped.

Nice drawing

Originally posted by h1a8
Sundipped Superman overpowered thousands of galaxies of power. That is why he is the strongest outside the abstract beings when amped. Superman moved a planet against Starbreaker.

Lifting a mountain is impressive especially when Thor, Hulk, or Herc never done it. Hulk braced part of a mountain with help (not the same as lifting a full whole one by himself). But that feat is PIS (that doesn't mean that Hulk could never lift a mountain if he isn't angry enough though).

Maggeddon!

His fight with General Zod. Their punches against each other shattered the planet they were fighting on.

The Lobo feat is probably the single greatest of all of his feats. It takes astronomical amount of tons just to barely knock a 1600lb being into orbit. It takes astronomical times more to knock them with such a speed that while in space they are still moving so fast that they go through several very thick and highly durable alien ship walls like paper.

Considering the forces that GL's shields have held it is very impressive. I don't like to use PC Gl feats to back me up. But I will use them if I see members using a bunch of ridiculous 1960, 1970 feats to argue against me.

Superman seemed to bend her braces in Sacrifice. He may not have bent them, the artwork made it look like he did it though.

DD is nearly indestructible. I sometimes tend to think its PIS for even Superman to harm him. I view HP DD as totally indestructible. IMO, the Imperiex thing was PIS as the HP comic explained that no force in the universe can now end DD except the end of time.

Holding back consciously is not the same as holding back unconsiously. Plus it is speculation that CM holds back on Superman since it was never mentioned. He may know that the only way to harm Superman is to use all of his might. That is to say, if CM chooses to hold back then he might not affect Superman in the slightest.

If CA does it then it is PIS. CA is not Superman.
Orion is weaker than Superman. Doomsday is stronger yes. Yes D.C. is made up of billions and millions of tons strength heroes.

When I provide a PIS argument I am right. I doesn't matter how much I provide them or if it suits me. All that matters is if I'm right.

I have no problem with Gladiator busting a planet, or blue marvel (whoever that is) hitting Sentry to space. I have a problem with peak humans performing class 100 feats though.

Their feats crap all over lifting a mountain. It's laughable you'd bring up something this pathetic as a feat to prove Supes is the best out there.

An unquantifiable feat was Mageddon. Was it impressive, sure but unquantifiable nonetheless.

Their health was linked to the planet's well being so when the hurt each other the planet was taking damage.

LOL at you and this Lobo feat. LOL indeed.

Precrisis feats aren't applicable today so unless you can't show me something postcrisis I don't want to hear it.

Figured you were confused.

He isn't indestructible an I have no idea where you'd get that idea.

Cm stated before he would never go all out on him because of who he is and what he represents. They both hold back. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
What are you talking about with this galaxies of power nonsense? why is it I can never understand what you are talking about.

Their feats crap all over lifting a mountain. It's laughable you'd bring up something this pathetic as a feat to prove Supes is the best out there.

An unquantifiable feat was Mageddon. Was it impressive, sure but unquantifiable nonetheless.

Their health was linked to the planet's well being so when the hurt each other the planet was taking damage.

LOL at you and this Lobo feat. LOL indeed.

Precrisis feats aren't applicable today so unless you can't show me something postcrisis I don't want to hear it.

Figured you were confused.

He isn't indestructible an I have no idea where you'd get that idea.

Cm stated before he would never go all out on him because of who he is and what he represents. They both hold back. 😂

OWAW Superman overpowered thousands of galaxies of power in the WarWorld feat.

None of their non PIS feats crap over lifting a mountain. Name some. And don't say the Midgard Serpent one because I will shyt all over that.

An unquantifiable feat is a feat that has no lower bound. The mageddon feat has a lower bound (Weight of the Earth).

What are you talking about? They shattered the planet with pure force. A planet's health tied to Superman is nonsense.

PC GL feats are canon since the crisis didn't affect them at all.

The idea came from HP. They made it clear that no force besides the end of time can end DD.

Scans! I don't believe CM was holding back. And holding back subconsciously is not the same as doing it consciously.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman absorbed newton's third law the same as Thanos absorbed it hitting SS.

Originally posted by h1a8
OWAW Superman overpowered thousands of galaxies of power in the WarWorld feat.

None of their non PIS feats crap over lifting a mountain. Name some. And don't say the Midgard Serpent one because I will shyt all over that.

An unquantifiable feat is a feat that has no lower bound. The mageddon feat has a lower bound (Weight of the Earth).

What are you talking about? They shattered the planet with pure force. A planet's health tied to Superman is nonsense.

PC GL feats are canon since the crisis didn't affect them at all.

The idea came from HP. They made it clear that no force besides the end of time can end DD.

Scans! I don't believe CM was holding back. And holding back subconsciously is not the same as doing it consciously.

Holding together the tectonic planets of a planet, world engine while weakened for Thor, planet busting strength, destroying an asteroid twice the size of earth.

Calling what you don't like pis is a biased way to debate.

Prove the mageddon feat then.

Wrong. You didn't read the story. I called someone else out on this bs. You don't read comics and that's why you are a terrible debater you pretend to read them.

The crisis affected the entire universe hence everyone at the same level.

DD was easily owned in owaw by Prime.

Marvel doing it consciously means a lot more than someone who isn't even aware of such a thing. We also saw a non holding back Superman against WW. I didn't see a dramatic power difference did you?

Odin

Originally posted by quanchi112
Have a scan? sorry if I don't take you at your word it's been a while since I read owaw.

Holding together the tectonic planets of a planet, world engine while weakened for Thor, planet busting strength, destroying an asteroid twice the size of earth.

Calling what you don't like pis is a biased way to debate.

Prove the mageddon feat then.

Wrong. You didn't read the story. I called someone else out on this bs. You don't read comics and that's why you are a terrible debater you pretend to read them.

The crisis affected the entire universe hence everyone at the same level.

DD was easily owned in owaw by Prime.

Marvel doing it consciously means a lot more than someone who isn't even aware of such a thing. We also saw a non holding back Superman against WW. I didn't see a dramatic power difference did you?

The same argument you used (You didn't see a dramatic power difference) is the same I can say to PG Thor.

How did Superman enter into this debate?

Originally posted by h1a8
will do. First feat is acceptable, second feat is unquantifiable, third feat is a small asteroid (not planet), Fourth feat is PIS. Not really. Just as long as I can prove or provide solid evidence that it is PIS. It should clear though, even to you. Prove what? That he did it? BS huh? Show me where it says the planet's health is tied to both Superman's and Zod's health. How in the hell could that even happen. I think you are miss interpreting something. I guess you are the only one here that don't know the crisis didn't affect the GL's. Why would I say this? This is impossible to make up, trust me it is. If you don't believe me then ask any respectable D.C. fan here. Maybe Galan007 DD never fought Prime ever. Prime wasn't even in OWAW. WW is that powerful silly. Plus Superman can't easily take off the mental blocks completely even if he's fighting DD.
Plus we have a thing called low showings.

The same argument you used (You didn't see a dramatic power difference) is the same I can say to PG Thor.

Right, wrong, wrong, bias.

Then provide evidence why it's pis. You never do so.

Nope. When you present your scan I will do the same unless I am feeling bored.

Prove it's quantifiable.

The crisis also didn't affect the new gods yet you can't expect any intelligent human beings to think Ds could piss on precrisis beings and then submit to a much weaker post crisis Superman and not come to the conclusion they were depowered along with the rest of the universe.

Imperiex Prime easily owned him. If you read the story you should have known who I referred to as Prime, h.

He wasn't holding anything back and someone else made him see the death of Lois and we know he didn't pull his punches.

You make it sound as if the guy needs hypnosis to quit holding back.

You just said WW is that powerful although it made no sense as what you should have said is she is that durable. Her power level has nothing to do with taking a Superman punch.

There was a difference. He was beyond a team which consisted of Strange, Surfer, and the Infinity watch.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
How did Superman enter into this debate?

....wait? odin vs onslaught....nevermind

Originally posted by h1a8
I guess you are the only one here that don't know the crisis didn't affect the GL's. Why would I say this? This is impossible to make up, trust me it is. If you don't believe me then ask any respectable D.C. fan here. Maybe Galan007

Okay... someone get Galan in here.
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I don't have a problem with Galan at all. just with you.

for serious though. you apply real life physics when it suits you
and you disallow it when it doesn't...

when it suits you its a feat
and when it doesn't its pis

when your character is going all out and gets beat/stalemated... you call it a low showing... instead of the cap to their strength levels...

In general HIA8 = 😘

H1A8 certainly doesn't require 3rd party perspective to decide on things 😐

I'm just going to assume off topic bullshit has been argued these last couple pages. Pure nutty puddles of ass matter.

So, Odin beats Onslaught.