Demonic Possession, A Realy Possibility?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Moving? It's a picture.

You don't believe what you're saying, surely? You're just clutching at straws now. Scientifically, what you just said is nonsense.

Point proven; this type of thing cannot be proven.

-AC

when you move your hand infront of a camera or when something moves it infront of at a fast speed at the time a pic is being snaped it will blur the image and have a motion path, the 3rd pic orb at the very top (its going off the frame) has a motion path

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
think about what your saying......

when you move your hand infront of a camera or when something moves it infront of at a fast speed at the time a pic is being snaped it will blur the image and have a motion path, the 3rd pic orb at the very top (its going off the frame) has a motion path

When something is moving in a photo, it blurs, it doesn't however leave a clearly defined path like that.

Originally posted by Lana
I've taken probably a few thousand photographs this past year. Dust and light reflections can and do cause spots like that.

lense flar :

Dust:

Big diff

Originally posted by Lana
When something is moving in a photo, it blurs, it doesn't however leave a clearly defined path like that.

if its moving in a clearly defined path it does.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
think about what your saying......

when you move your hand infront of a camera or when something moves it infront of at a fast speed at the time a pic is being snaped it will blur the image and have a motion path, the 3rd pic orb at the very top (its going off the frame) has a motion path

No, you think about what YOU'RE saying. You are now using science to prove the paranormal and it's just not working.

You're getting baffled and have forgotten how to perceive correctly. Take a step back, breathe, clean your eyes, look at it again and realise it's just a photo. It'll save you a lot more of this.

-AC

yes, its a photo...I gave you a link with more and EVP's. Like I said I have video tape but its impossible to show you that online. Think as you want, I cant take you on an investigation or anything more, I gave the closet thing I had at my resource.

btw, Science tries disproving everything...even God. You say I cant Prove Paranormal exist, same goes for you, You cant prove it doesn't exist.

Now I must be off, I will be back later.

Why did you spend all this time calling me an idiot if you knew you couldn't prove it?

This is what I don't understand about this forum.

-AC

http://theshadowlands.net/classic.htm

Try and explain the first photo, and more.

Pretty spooky.

http://theshadowlands.net/page15.html

The first pic is one that we've been debating for ages on The Shadowlands message board.

All very unimpressive odd pictures which could have other explanations other than "Ghosts". Camera error, someone sneaking past, the human eye looks for shapes in things, like sheep in clouds.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Where have I ever said that abortion is unforgivable? I believe it is a sin, I believe it is murder, but where do you get off on declaring that I said it is unforgivable?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why did you spend all this time calling me an idiot if you knew you couldn't prove it?

This is what I don't understand about this forum.

-AC

Originally posted by Bicnarok
All very unimpressive odd pictures which could have other explanations other than "Ghosts". Camera error, someone sneaking past, the human eye looks for shapes in things, like sheep in clouds.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm more interested in seeing an answer to this than anything of the paranormal.

"Energy can neither be created or destroyed, only transformed from one from to another" - Albert Einstein's Law of Conservation of Energy.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Because, I can prove it by showing you for yourself. But you don't live anywhere near me. BF said he wanted to see the pics, I posted for him. You just go on about "oh you cant prove it" "blah blah" I showed you what I had access too. I do have pictures of a full body apparition taken on an investigation but I don't have a scanner so that does me no good. Just for the record photos are taken in sequence one right after the other. One photo there is nothing the one right after there is. You going telling I can not prove this. I have different items of proof but no matter what you already made up your mind to choose not to believe it, so I cant help you there. But you say I cant prove this is real, well same goes for you. [B]You cant prove that is not real.[/b]

You cannot prove it to me in person, I can still deny it because it's NOT PROVABLE. What are you not understanding? You posted pics, so what? They're just normal photographs that didn't come out well. Anyone with a brain cell can see that.

Don't give me all that "No matter what I show you", because you KNOW that it's a bit silly to believe what you've just shown me and you're justifying it by saying I won't believe it anyway.

I KNOW I can't prove it, which is why I don't go around saying "There are NO ghosts." You can't prove there is, you continually said you can. You cannot. Admit this.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Some Photos are fake, those not all are. You maybe be able to fool the eye, but its much harder to fool the senses. I experienced things that would make you non believers piss your pants

Sweetheart, I've seen things in real life that are scarier than any ghosts. Get yourself some real world experience before you claim that.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
What more do you want? The pics I posted were not all that impressive you know why? Because it takes alot of energy for a full body manifestation. Orbs are more common and also ectoplasm (mist) if an ectoplasm would continue to gather energy it can develop into a full body apparition/manifestation. Ghost/Spirits/Entities need energy just anything else. Thats why in investigations you need lots and lots of batteries because they will just suck them dry from the cameras and other equipment. Paranormal activity will also increase during a thunder storm because they are using the electricity in the air. They need lots of energy to give off "good"(like full body apparitions, and the ability to move objects) activity.

You believe all this? Sounds to me like you're making excuses.

Nobody is saying you can't believe in ghosts, if you wanna, that's fine with me. But don't sit there saying things are and are not real, you can't.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You cannot prove it to me in person, I can still deny it because it's NOT PROVABLE. What are you not understanding? You posted pics, so what? They're just normal photographs that didn't come out well. Anyone with a brain cell can see that.

Don't give me all that "No matter what I show you", because you KNOW that it's a bit silly to believe what you've just shown me and you're justifying it by saying I won't believe it anyway.

I KNOW I can't prove it, which is why I don't go around saying "There are NO ghosts." You can't prove there is, you continually said you can. You cannot. Admit this.

Sweetheart, I've seen things in real life that are scarier than any ghosts. Get yourself some real world experience before you claim that.

You believe all this? Sounds to me like you're making excuses.

Nobody is saying you can't believe in ghosts, if you wanna, that's fine with me. But don't sit there saying things are and are not real, you can't.

-AC

see, you cant just tell me they didn't come out well. Because they are paranormal in my opinion, in your opinion they didn't come out well because you dont believe in this.

well, you wouldn't believe it.Lets be honest you would tell me it was fake or didnt come out right. I do, have a picture of a full body apparition. I swear to god, its a female from the style of 1800s. Now to you this is all very silly, but she is leaning over looking at Corey's (out techie) audio equipment. My uncle shoot the photo. Its amazing...I wish I could scan it and show it you. Its a black haze, but in the form of a human. and you can tell its a human by looking at it.

Maybe to you I cant prove it. But to me in my opinion it is all very provable. I mean I have seen things with my own eyes, and I had others in the room that have seen the same things so it wasn't just me. I know this isn't proof to you, I was just stating my opinion.

I have seen things too. I have seen real photos from WW1 and WW2 brought back from Europe, there were pictures with real men hanging, a picture of a concentration camp with real human skeletons, Now I know they were only photos but still to see something that powerful. They are actually illegal to have (this true. Its a state law 🙄 ). And no I probably haven't seen as much as you have, I am only 18. I am only starting my life in the world. I grew up in a small town all my life so it has been somewhat sheltered.

as for what I said about the energy and such. Thats not an excuse 😬. Ghost and Orbs (NOT all orbs are Paranormal) are forms of energy. You can pic up orbs with out it being paranormal, Its just a ball of energy. this can be put off from anything like a computer,TV,People, etc

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
see, you cant just tell me they didn't come out well. Because they are paranormal in my opinion, in your opinion they didn't come out well because you dont believe in this.

Where did I say I don't believe in the paranormal? I just said you can't prove that it exists. I don't have the ability to judge if it is or is not, nor do you, nor does anyone.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
well, you wouldn't believe it.Lets be honest you would tell me it was fake or didnt come out right. I do, have a picture of a full body apparition. I swear to god, its a female from the style of 1800s. Now to you this is all very silly, but she is leaning over looking at Corey's (out techie) audio equipment. My uncle shoot the photo. Its amazing...I wish I could scan it and show it you. Its a black haze, but in the form of a human. and you can tell its a human by looking at it.

Look, swearing to God doesn't make it any more real. This is what you need to understand, seriously. YOU believe that these pieces are real without question, fine by me. You have to learn that strength of belief does not equate to how real they are. You strongly believing it doesn't make it actually true. Please don't make me explain it again.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
Maybe to you I cant prove it. But to me in my opinion it is all very provable.

If you can't prove it to me, you can't prove it. That and it's not provable by fact, so you're wrong.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I mean I have seen things with my own eyes, and I had others in the room that have seen the same things so it wasn't just me. I know this isn't proof to you, I was just stating my opinion.

I have seen things too. I have seen real photos from WW1 and WW2 brought back from Europe, there were pictures with real men hanging, a picture of a concentration camp with real human skeletons, Now I know they were only photos but still to see something that powerful. They are actually illegal to have (this true. Its a state law 🙄 ). And no I probably haven't seen as much as you have, I am only 18. I am only starting my life in the world. I grew up in a small town all my life so it has been somewhat sheltered.

as for what I said about the energy and such. Thats not an excuse 😬. Ghost and Orbs (NOT all orbs are Paranormal) are forms of energy. You can pic up orbs with out it being paranormal, Its just a ball of energy. this can be put off from anything like a computer,TV,People, etc

Yes, but all that doesn't change the fact that I've never tried to stop you believing things.

For the last time, it's not provable, it's not. You can provide what you think is proof, but that doesn't make it fact or real. You cannot prove the existance of paranormals because if you could, it would be accepted that they are real.

Let's end it there. You're obviously never gonna admit that it's not provable (and by fact it isn't.)

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Where did I say I don't believe in the paranormal? I just said you can't prove that it exists. I don't have the ability to judge if it is or is not, nor do you, nor does anyone.

Look, swearing to God doesn't make it any more real. This is what you need to understand, seriously. YOU believe that these pieces are real without question, fine by me. You have to learn that strength of belief does not equate to how real they are. You strongly believing it doesn't make it actually true. Please don't make me explain it again.

If you can't prove it to me, you can't prove it. That and it's not provable by fact, so you're wrong.

Yes, but all that doesn't change the fact that I've never tried to stop you believing things.

For the last time, it's not provable, it's not. You can provide what you think is proof, but that doesn't make it fact or real. You cannot prove the existance of paranormals because if you could, it would be accepted that they are real.

Let's end it there. You're obviously never gonna admit that it's not provable (and by fact it isn't.)

-AC

I was trying to be nice to you, and you wont let the fact rest "you cant prove it" All I am trying to say is just as much as I cant prove its real, you cant prove that its not real. Thats what I am trying to get across. Its one of things that no human can prove to an other.

Originally posted by BlackC@t
http://theshadowlands.net/classic.htm

Try and explain the first photo, and more.

Pretty spooky.

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I was trying to be nice to you, and you wont let the fact rest "you cant prove it" All I am trying to say is just as much as I cant prove its real, you cant prove that its not real. Thats what I am trying to get across. Its one of things that no human can prove to an other.

Well then why spend a bulk of this thread calling me an idiot and telling me you can, when we all knew you couldn't? Doesn't it seem a bit silly?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well then why spend a bulk of this thread calling me an idiot and telling me you can, when we all knew you couldn't? Doesn't it seem a bit silly?

-AC

You weren't arguing. You were insulting despite knowing you were wrong and I was right only to complain about it. That's how people get banned.

-AC