Black Panther VS Sabretooth

Originally posted by jinzin
i guess you don't get it do you...jeezus man can't you follow simplistic strings of logic?... HOM isn't cannon compared to the 616 characters you are familiar with. Hence, it's as canon as a what if comic... that was my point.... next time I'll draw it out for you in crayon....

so you think that it's ok to use sabretooth without super strength, and no healing factor as a basic reference point for what sabretooth can do? 🤨

Yea 616 is the only Marvel world i follow... 🙄

I guess i missed the issue where it says that House of M Sabretooth is depowered. Maybe you grace me with a scan showing me where it says that.

And your comedic timing is spot on... 🙄

And when was the last time you had a post that had actual logic in it?

Oh yea...!

he's never won straight up with the exception of 2 fights...one fight he got lucky the other was off panal....every other fight he's lost or won through a plot device.

HUH...

😆

That pic is the sh!t 😆 i had that as my wallpaper on my school computer for a while...

Originally posted by jinzin
i guess you don't get it do you...jeezus man can't you follow simplistic strings of logic?... HOM isn't cannon compared to the 616 characters you are familiar with. Hence, it's as canon as a what if comic... that was my point.... next time I'll draw it out for you in crayon....

so you think that it's ok to use sabretooth without super strength, and no healing factor as a basic reference point for what sabretooth can do? 🤨

Have you read the comic? Sabretooth isnt depowered at all. By the way, what issue was that where Sabretooth was choking Panther? and what happened afterward?

Originally posted by jgiant
That pic is the sh!t 😆 i had that as my wallpaper on my school computer for a while...

Thanks i think so too.

I can't help but snicker everytime i see it. 😆

well considering he did recently chop of sabretooths head im going to have to go with black panther

*Scratches head*

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Wolverine and Sabretooth had fought a lot more then three times before Sabretooth kicked Wolverine's ass following his wedding to Viper.... or the time Sabretooth beat Wolverine up in the Manhattan sewers.... or when he killed Native, defeated and then left Wolverine in the wilderness.... or when he killed Grey Fox for real and left with Psi-Borg.... yeah, poor Sabes just can't catch a break...

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Yea 616 is the only Marvel world i follow... 🙄

I guess i missed the issue where it says that House of M Sabretooth is depowered. Maybe you grace me with a scan showing me where it says that.

And your comedic timing is spot on... 🙄

And when was the last time you had a post that had actual logic in it?

Oh yea...!

he's never won straight up with the exception of 2 fights...one fight he got lucky the other was off panal....every other fight he's lost or won through a plot device.

HUH...

😆

yep...I DO have to draw it out for you in crayon... that's just sad...

sabretooth has an adamantium skeleton..... he had his head chopped off... from that and the appearance of his claws in the issue I gather he doesn't have the skeleton in the HOM universe.... thus depowered from how he is currently represented...

the fact that you continue to defend the fight as if it has some significance to the 616 characters we know in mainstream terms just goes to prove you don't get parallals between this and a what if issue...

did bp beat sabretooth? yes.... he did...but there are serious issues with this fight that need to be addressed...

1. it didn't happen in the current 616 timeline, thus is not cannon to the characters we're debating.

2. the timeline that it DID occur in has vast differences than the 616 U... these same kinds of differnces are comparible to the ones in age of apocalypse... the characters are essentially the same but their physical and emotional states may not be.... (an example: 616 apoc took blackbolts wisper at a whim and didn't really care....HOM apoc got blasted into nothingness by that same type of attack.)

3. sabretooth's head was cut off thus his connections with the same government that backed him up to give him his enhancements in the 616 must not exist, thus he is not enhanced...thus he IS depowered compared to how we know him in the 616 universe currently.

4. the fight started off as a sniper/sneak fight.... BP got the drop on him and secured a decent advantage when he did so...

5. black panther did cut his head off...he did it with a sword that isn't part of his casual arsenal as far as I am aware.... (funny how batman doesn't get half the gadgets he has in his described day to day arsenal even though he displays himself to have such weapons on a semi regular basis in his mainstream timeline... but BP slices off a guys head with a sword he doesn't usually carry around on him, in a timeline that IS NOT MAINSTREAM....and that's okay... 🙄 )..)....thus using the fact that he did it isn't an accurate portrayal of a fight between the two one on one...

now tony...you wish to berate me on my misuse or lack of logic....tell me then....what's logical about defending a what if issue? because that's essentially what you're attempting to do right now.... 🤨

"he's never won straight up with the exception of 2 fights...one fight he got lucky the other was off panal....every other fight he's lost or won through a plot device."

what's the matter? did you not understand the simplicity of this either? 🤨

it has to do with wolverine vs. sabretooth and sabretooth kicking his ass every time save 2 occasions...there better?

Originally posted by Wynndar
Have you read the comic? Sabretooth isnt depowered at all. By the way, what issue was that where Sabretooth was choking Panther? and what happened afterward?

it's from an issue of MCP...i don't know the number off the top of my head... BP is getting choked out and eventually musters enough strength to kick...sabretooth's head explodes revealing it was nothing more than a robot and BP collapses to the ground gasping for air....

against a real sabretooth there would be no exploding heads and the time he takes to catch his breath would have instead been spent being torn to ribbons from a healing factor sporting sabes who would have already recovered.

Those wacky robots.... with their easily combustible "prank" limbs...

😂

Originally posted by Wynndar
Oh and by the way...the Panther is banging Storm, Shana the She Devil, and Monica Lynne during house of M too.

Woo Hoo which issues are those??
T'challa and Shanna should have hooked up long ago! 😱

Originally posted by jinzin
yep...I DO have to draw it out for you in crayon... that's just sad...

sabretooth has an adamantium skeleton..... he had his head chopped off... from that and the appearance of his claws in the issue I gather he doesn't have the skeleton in the HOM universe.... thus depowered from how he is currently represented...

the fact that you continue to defend the fight as if it has some significance to the 616 characters we know in mainstream terms just goes to prove you don't get parallals between this and a what if issue...

did bp beat sabretooth? yes.... he did...but there are serious issues with this fight that need to be addressed...

1. it didn't happen in the current 616 timeline, thus is not cannon to the characters we're debating.

2. the timeline that it DID occur in has vast differences than the 616 U... these same kinds of differnces are comparible to the ones in age of apocalypse... the characters are essentially the same but their physical and emotional states may not be.... (an example: 616 apoc took blackbolts wisper at a whim and didn't really care....HOM apoc got blasted into nothingness by that same type of attack.)

3. sabretooth's head was cut off thus his connections with the same government that backed him up to give him his enhancements in the 616 must not exist, thus he is not enhanced...thus he IS depowered compared to how we know him in the 616 universe currently.

4. the fight started off as a sniper/sneak fight.... BP got the drop on him and secured a decent advantage when he did so...

5. black panther did cut his head off...he did it with a sword that isn't part of his casual arsenal as far as I am aware.... (funny how batman doesn't get half the gadgets he has in his described day to day arsenal even though he displays himself to have such weapons on a semi regular basis in his mainstream timeline... but BP slices off a guys head with a sword he doesn't usually carry around on him, in a timeline that IS NOT MAINSTREAM....and that's okay... 🙄 )..)....thus using the fact that he did it isn't an accurate portrayal of a fight between the two one on one...

now tony...you wish to berate me on my misuse or lack of logic....tell me then....what's logical about defending a what if issue? because that's essentially what you're attempting to do right now.... 🤨

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3. sabretooth's head was cut off thus his connections with the same government that backed him up to give him his enhancements in the 616 must not exist, thus he is not enhanced...thus he IS depowered compared to how we know him in the 616 universe currently.

What your saying then in crayon is that because he got his head whacked off he had to have been depowered.

And also in crayon your saying that if by chance he did have his "enhancements" in the HOM world he would not have had his head loped off?

And your also saying in crayon that Sabes always has the exact same length of claws when "enhanced" no matter who the artist is?

And once and for all in crayon your saying that the word "simplistic" is your favorite word when your in disagreement with another poster.

Because your right and they're wrong and they're not smart enough to understand your vastly more intelligent posts because they disagree with you?

Hmmmm...

It all makes sense now.

Thanks for bringing out your box of crayolas.

I think that we had very big breakthrough today in crayon.

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it's really not that hard t understand... if sabretooth had his adamantium skeleton logically (hey it's that word you love so much, logic), he would have his enhancments as he was given both at the same time.... if he didn't have his enhancements then he doesn't have his adamantium skeleton which is clearly evident when BP chopped his head off....

so yes..if he had his enhancements BP would NOT be able to chop his head off..how that's hard to follow for you I have no idea..

second it's not the length of claws which concerns me..it's how they are drawn..they look of organis nature not adamntium do they not?

all that other crap you wrote was just babbling as you really can't refute ANY of my points...nice work though..there's 5 minutes I'll never get back.

Originally posted by superman302
well considering he did recently chop of sabretooths head im going to have to go with black panther

Just a little FYI(for your information), that did not happen in mainstream continuity.

I don't know if you knew that. Hopefully, you didn't. Otherwise, I'm going to look like a sarcastic prick.

Originally posted by jinzin
it's really not that hard t understand... if sabretooth had his adamantium skeleton logically (hey it's that word you love so much, logic), he would have his enhancments as he was given both at the same time.... if he didn't have his enhancements then he doesn't have his adamantium skeleton which is clearly evident when BP chopped his head off....

so yes..if he had his enhancements BP would NOT be able to chop his head off..how that's hard to follow for you I have no idea..

second it's not the length of claws which concerns me..it's how they are drawn..they look of organis nature not adamntium do they not?

all that other crap you wrote was just babbling as you really can't refute ANY of my points...nice work though..there's 5 minutes I'll never get back.

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I'm not sure if your aware of this or not but Sabes skeleton is laced with the adamantium.

And as far as i know his bones aren't fused together. That being said just like all humanoids there are spaces between the vertebra or any of his bones.

And in those spaces are tissue. Which i'm sure that you'll agree that his tissue is not laced with adamantium.

So the answer is yes Sabes can have his head taken off his shoulders by means of a sharp object (Black Panther), a blunt object, or by being ripped off it's base even with his "enhanced" skeleton.

And if anybody on this site wants to look at your posts and my posts they will see that it is "YOU" who throws around the word "logic" or the lack of it in your opinion by a disagreeing poster to your particular view.

And you really didn't give any facts just your opinion.

My above statements about his skeletal structure is a fact (tissue between vertebra and all bones).

Which most certainly be severed as BP showed "enhanced" or not.

Which only by YOUR opinion is he not "enhanced" in HOM. Because it's not been stated to have been changed from 616 so i'm sure you'll also agree that we have to assume he is.

it doesn't have to be stated that he didn't have the adamntium and enhancements..his friggin nails are not shinning like adamantium...hell they're not even colored in any sort of metallic fashion...they're regular nails...thus NO FRIGGIN adamantium....thus no enhancements...thus depowered from his current selve....

and for the love of god..your thesis on the skeletal structure is accurate for real world apllication...HOWEVER...(and this has been stated and proven on so many occasions i still fail to see how people don't get this concept yet)...adamantium bonding continues at a molecular level...thus the skeleton is one big hunken piece. this was stated by professor xavier himself... so NO........ with adamntium BP would not and COULD NOT be able to chop off sabretooth's head...period...

THAT'S A FACT....

evidence supporting this fact: wolverines had every last piece of flesh burnt off his skeleton on several different occasions, according to your theory (as it is only a theory when applied to comic books) the skeleton should have been in shambles..it wasn't, it was still connected together IN ONE PIECE.... wolverine's also had parts of his body incinerated... arm leg etc..due to the skeleton they stayed attached...
hulk also has uppercut logan's jaw on several occasions..any one of these would have broken his neck or simply separated his head...
a demon king, kabal tried to tear logan's arms from his sockets and he couldn't do it because of wolverine's bonded skeleton, in spite of having super strength...
and finally shingen an expert swordsmen attempted to chop off logans head with his honor sword...he struck in one of those exact points in the skeletal structure that you mentioned as to separate the head from the shoulders, and guess what...NOTHING HAPPENED....

sp please...refrain from making those "factual" statements until you have all the real facts in order...it's embarrassing...

listen...I'm not disagreeing with your opinion..I'm disagreeing with your premise and conclusion and the "facts" you use to support it.

if you think BP will win..that's fine.. please though...tell me how...as of right now you're using a non 616 source for evidence, using a depowered sabes and a black panther who got the drop on him, shot him to shit, and then used a sword which are not part of his day to day arsenal....sabretooth has all the tools, and all the advantages here BP does not...he'll lose and then die horribly....

That HoM Black Bolt Vs. Apoc fight was crap. The whole premise of Apoc being a goon for Magneto is crap. I don't think HoM occurances should be used as canon material unless people want to accept a liquid metal Dr. Doom, no Fantastic 4, and a geriatric, non-factor Captain America as canon material as well. You can't have it both ways.

Anyway, current 'normal' Sabertooth Vs. current 'normal' T'Challa would be a good fight. I'm not sure what the adamantium claws would do against vibranium armor, but I'm sure Creed's strong and ferocious enough to snap T'Challa's neck should he get the opportunity.

The flip side is, h2h, T'Challa's nobody's *****. He'll bring it, and he'll kill with no remorse. And with his arsenal and skill, he can put up a tremendous fight, but I don't think he's got enough to put Creed down for the count considering how Sabretooth is when he's gone feral.

I guess I have to give an edge to Sabretooth. Healing factor, superior strength, superhuman endurance, and just pure apeshit insanity and ferocity are too formidable. T'Challa could pull out a generous portion of victories if he plays his cards right, though. It's a matter of how he approaches the fight.

I'm leaning towards 50/50, actually.

Creed's ferocious.
T'Challa's calcualting.
Neither have a problem with killing or for going for the jugular from the onset of combat.
Adamantium claws vs. vibranium claws and armor is a wash (with a slight edge to vibranium with it's anti-metal properties).
Agility is a wash.
Endurance is in Creed's favor.
Creed's much stronger and more ferocious (though T'Challa can be pretty heartless when necessary)
T'Challa is a more skilled fighter and has a wide array of weapons.
T'Challa's a far better tactician.

Could go either way, honestly.

nice assessment..I still have to give it to creed more often than not..agility aside...I really don't see PB bringing anything to this fight that shiva didn't...

Originally posted by jinzin
nice assessment..I still have to give it to creed more often than not..agility aside...I really don't see PB bringing anything to this fight that shiva didn't...

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