Originally posted by ImmortalOne
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Solar, Man of the Atom What would you desire, if nothing was beyond your grasp? If atoms and energy, the building blocks of reality, were yours to command, what more could you want? Such a man exists. A man of absolute power who wants what he cannot have: love, peace of mind, a simple life. In a world of men who covet power, he is god who wants to live as a man...
How can Phoenix beat that 😂 He created the valiant universe 🙂
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Solar, Man of the Atom What would you desire, if nothing was beyond your grasp? If atoms and energy, the building blocks of reality, were yours to command, what more could you want? Such a man exists. A man of absolute power who wants what he cannot have: love, peace of mind, a simple life. In a world of men who covet power, he is god who wants to live as a man...How can Phoenix beat that 😂 He created the valiant universe 🙂
Silly silly. 🙄 You know this Whirly, you're always try to make a point through threads. Its a pity your attempts are flawed because of your insufficient grasp of the subject you're trying to make a point on. 🙁
So Solar can make a universe? big deal 😕
The White Crown phoenix makes creation cyclically. Many many universes big bang after big bang, crunch after crunch bringing steering evolution back to its origin point, the Crown. The only constant in creation (as shown in Xmen Forever) whilst everything else if affected by the creation cycle.
He may be able to make universes but that doesnt place him a peer to multiversal powers such as LT and Phoenix. He's powerful but he's certainly not an integral part of existence or an equal to a representative of the Crown.
It is not the act of making a universe that defines phoenixes power and importance. Just like the consumption of planets doesnt represent all of what Galactus is about.
As you very well know Solar would lose without a doubt.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Silly silly. 🙄 You know this Whirly, you're always try to make a point through threads. Its a pity your attempts are flawed because of your insufficient grasp of the subject you're trying to make a point on. 🙁So Solar can make a universe? big deal 😕
The White Crown phoenix makes creation cyclically. Many many universes big bang after big bang, crunch after crunch bringing steering evolution back to its origin point, the Crown. The only constant in creation (as shown in Xmen Forever) whilst everything else if affected by the creation cycle.
He may be able to make universes but that doesnt place him a peer to multiversal powers such as LT and Phoenix. He's powerful but he's certainly not an integral part of existence or an equal to a representative of the Crown.
It is not the act of making a universe that defines phoenixes power and importance. Just like the consumption of planets doesnt represent all of what Galactus is about.
As you very well know Solar would lose without a doubt.
His greatest feets are as Great as any shown by Phoenix, how can he lose 🙂
He can create an infinite number of himself each with the same power, his power is infinite.
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
His greatest feets are as Great as any shown by Phoenix, how can he lose 🙂
He can create an infinite number of himself each with the same power, his power is infinite.
His power isnt in doubt. As you've already stated when it comes to battles between cosmic beings at the very upper reaches of the hierarchy its hard for us to say who would win. Its virtually impossible for us to judge based on feats as its hard to depict on panel differeing levels of infinity. The only way to tell usually is by having one character beat another or by looking at the characters importance to existence and what they represent.
At the end of the day Solar has control over atoms as does Jean. However from what i know of him his power is an external control. Its kind of like comparing the IG to H.O.T.U. Jean through her power is one with all matter and energy and so on. So its safe to say that she would have superior control over it all. On top of that Solar is just an extremely powerful human who came across his powers by accident, Jean is a representative of the Crown. She wields the creation power from which all creation stems from. Thats all what needs to be said really.
I see what point you were trying to make with this thread, however Solar isnt the character to do it with.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
His power isnt in doubt. As you've already stated when it comes to battles between cosmic beings at the very upper reaches of the hierarchy its hard for us to say who would win. Its virtually impossible for us to judge based on feats as its hard to depict on panel differeing levels of infinity. The only way to tell usually is by having one character beat another or by looking at the characters importance to existence and what they represent.At the end of the day Solar has control over atoms as does Jean. However from what i know of him his power is an external control. Its kind of like comparing the IG to H.O.T.U. Jean through her power is one with all matter and energy and so on. So its safe to say that she would have superior control over it all. On top of that Solar is just an extremely powerful human who came across his powers by accident, Jean is a representative of the Crown. She wields the creation power from which all creation stems from. Thats all what needs to be said really.
I see what point you were trying to make with this thread, however Solar isnt the character to do it with.
Differing levels of infinity 🙂 (I understand you)
He also controls time and space on a multiversal scale, I don't think Phoenix controls Spaace/time like this - Any temporal feats you know of?
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Differing levels of infinity 🙂 (I understand you)He also controls time and space on a multiversal scale, I don't think Phoenix controls Spaace/time like this - Any temporal feats you know of?
You really dont read posts do you Whirly? 🙄
I have discussed this many a time before. How can you hope to debate properly when you dont take note of the oppositions posts? 😉
From the Crown in issue 154 of New Xmen Jean saw possible futures for the 616 universe and so dissected the undesirable and telekinetically rewound the universe and changed the timeline for the benefit of that reality.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You really dont read posts do you Whirly? 🙄I have discussed this many a time before. How can you hope to debate properly when you dont take note of the oppositions posts? 😉
From the Crown in issue 154 of New Xmen Jean saw possible futures for the 616 universe and so dissected the undesirable and telekinetically rewound the universe and changed the timeline for the benefit of that reality.
No I knew that, did you know Solar rewound the Valiant universe to erase Erica Pearces damage....hmmmmmm............
interesting 🙂
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
No I knew that, did you know Solar rewound the Valiant universe to erase Erica Pearces damage....hmmmmmm............interesting 🙂
Not really. Ive already dealt with this matter with my previous posts. At th end of the day its hard to depict varying levels of infinite power. Its especially hard considering theyre from different comic book companies. However when you look at the fact that Jean is responsible for the creation cycle of existence (being the only constant throughout) and the fact she is a representative of the Crown. Thats enough im thinking.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not really. Ive already dealt with this matter with my previous posts. At th end of the day its hard to depict varying levels of infinite power. Its especially hard considering theyre from different comic book companies. However when you look at the fact that Jean is responsible for the creation cycle of existence (being the only constant throughout) and the fact she is a representative of the Crown. Thats enough im thinking.
The Valiant Universe was created by Solar on instructions from no one, Who needs a white Crown when your the Supreme being?
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
The Valiant Universe was created by Solar on instructions from no one, Who needs a white Crown when your the Supreme being?
Solar existed in a universe before going on to get powers and create his own. That doesnt place him on the same level as the representative of the Crown.
Franklin Richards as a child could create pocket universes, as an adult he could probably create proper universes but does that place him on the same level as LT or Jean? Certainly not.
Originally posted by GalacticStormHow come Galactus' clix can kill the new Pheonix in like two MAYBE 3 rounds? They are sanctioned by Marvel I assume, as it does have the logo. She's not even considered half of his full power.
Solar existed in a universe before going on to get powers and create his own. That doesnt place him on the same level as the representative of the Crown.Franklin Richards as a child could create pocket universes, as an adult he could probably create proper universes but does that place him on the same level as LT or Jean? Certainly not.
Originally posted by Juntai
How come Galactus' clix can kill the new Pheonix in like two MAYBE 3 rounds? They are sanctioned by Marvel I assume, as it does have the logo. She's not even considered half of his full power.
Galactus' clix? What are you going on about? You do realise that as per current continuity Galactus was created by Phoenix? Or that Galactus and the abstracts are just the evolved humanity of the previous universe.