you make good points as usual draco, but i wonder how much they can actually arrange in only 2 hours. i don't like your proposed 'infinite prep time' idea. i've never seen it done, so the theory (unless it HAS been applied somewhere) doesn't really sit well and i couldn't see it happening. i do think the jla has a chance, but i still give the edge to the bad guys.
I think the edge still goes to the villains. The way I see this happening... Doom creates a perfect strategy for his team to combine all their powers, each one focusing on the JLA member they can do best against. (Doom might even save Superman for himself and put a magical hurting on Big Blue.)
Eventually, though, once the villains get the heroes on the ropes, one of them--probably Graviton *koff*goober*koff*---will be like, "up j00rs Doom," and break ranks. That single gap in the villain team's lines will be exploited to their downfall, giving the JLA the win.
Originally posted by Draco69
Magic? No problema. Diana has FAR more access to magic resources than Doom can ever hope for.
Your scenerio is ludicrous. It says two hours of prep. Why are you extending it? It's cause in 2 hours of prep Doom would punk Batman badly and the villains would win isn't it?
In two hours, Doom would have a battle plan and counter plan against the JLA. Doom with Magneto's assistance would upgrade Ultron with disintegrations beams like those in SW; the ones that Absorbing Man didn't even want to mess with.
And no, Batman ain't close to Doom. Compare all their accomplishments, Batman isn't even close. How many times has Batman come back from the dead or punked guys like Mephisto, Beyonder, Galactus, Surfer, Magneto, Red Skull, etc. Or get acknowledgement from Thanos?
It's nice that Batman punked Darkseid and Metron. Doom duped both Mephisto and Strange.
If you want to bring in all the resources of the JLA into this battle, the villains can do the same.
That's tech from Doom, Magneto, Ultron, Mandarin, Modok. And as for resources, you think the JLA has more resources than the villains?
-Superman Vs. Count Nefaria - either way
-Batman Vs. Doom - Doom would kill him, unless you think Batman can beat Doom in a fight.
- Wonder Woman Vs. Ultron - Ultron, who usually takes on a team of Avengers. He's broken Hulk's leg in one blast before.
-The Flash Vs. Graviton - Flash ain't doing a thing to Graviton air born. Nor would Flash do anything while suspended in mid air.
-Green Lantern (we'll say Hal Jordan) Vs. Magneto - Hal
-Aquaman Vs. Mandarin - Mandarin
-The Martian Manhunter Vs. Modok - MM
MM, Supes, Hal Vs. Doom, Ultron, Graviton, Mandarin, Nefaria
Originally posted by BeyonderThat's tech from Doom, Magneto, Ultron, Mandarin, Modok. And as for resources, you think the JLA has more resources than the villains?
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Uh. YEAH. Hello. Read my prior list. For god's sake they have Imperiux tech, 85,731 ad tech, hell they have access to no less than SEVEN objects that can rewrite reality like a Microsoft Word program.
You're reaching.
Originally posted by leonidas
you make good points as usual draco, but i wonder how much they can actually arrange in only 2 hours. i don't like your proposed 'infinite prep time' idea. i've never seen it done, so the theory (unless it HAS been applied somewhere) doesn't really sit well and i couldn't see it happening. i do think the jla has a chance, but i still give the edge to the bad guys.
Simple. Flash extends the Speed Force to everyone. 2 hours is like 2 MILLENIUMS to the JLA.
And for god's sake in such a state they can get everything they need in the prior page in seconds.
Strategy Engine>Doom
Originally posted by Piedmon
I think the edge still goes to the villains. The way I see this happening... Doom creates a perfect strategy for his team to combine all their powers, each one focusing on the JLA member they can do best against. (Doom might even save Superman for himself and put a magical hurting on Big Blue.)
Doom's "perfect strategy" is instantly countered by the Strategy Engine.
TRILLIONS of scenarios in ONE SECOND.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Eventually, though, once the villains get the heroes on the ropes, one of them--probably Graviton *koff*goober*koff*---will be like, "up j00rs Doom," and break ranks. That single gap in the villain team's lines will be exploited to their downfall, giving the JLA the win.
That's a very plausible scenario. Too many strong personalities on the team. I don't see them all working together.
HAHAHAHAAH likei said all the tech you suggest smells of plot devices. Instead of fighting head on they gather the most trumped up DC gadgets. Don't get me wrong, I like DC comics but they seem to make every character god status and give them insane powers then gadgets. Lets just say Doom creates a goobergockengoober that processes 8 trillion strategies in a nanosecond.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Your scenerio is ludicrous. It says two hours of prep. Why are you extending it? It's cause in 2 hours of prep Doom would punk Batman badly and the villains would win isn't it?In two hours, Doom would have a battle plan and counter plan against the JLA. Doom with Magneto's assistance would upgrade Ultron with disintegrations beams like those in SW; the ones that Absorbing Man didn't even want to mess with.
And no, Batman ain't close to Doom. Compare all their accomplishments, Batman isn't even close. How many times has Batman come back from the dead or punked guys like Mephisto, Beyonder, Galactus, Surfer, Magneto, Red Skull, etc. Or get acknowledgement from Thanos?
It's nice that Batman punked Darkseid and Metron. Doom duped both Mephisto and Strange.
If you want to bring in all the resources of the JLA into this battle, the villains can do the same.
That's tech from Doom, Magneto, Ultron, Mandarin, Modok. And as for resources, you think the JLA has more resources than the villains?
-Superman Vs. Count Nefaria - either way
-Batman Vs. Doom - Doom would kill him, unless you think Batman can beat Doom in a fight.
- Wonder Woman Vs. Ultron - Ultron, who usually takes on a team of Avengers. He's broken Hulk's leg in one blast before.
-The Flash Vs. Graviton - Flash ain't doing a thing to Graviton air born. Nor would Flash do anything while suspended in mid air.
-Green Lantern (we'll say Hal Jordan) Vs. Magneto - Hal
-Aquaman Vs. Mandarin - Mandarin
-The Martian Manhunter Vs. Modok - MM
MM, Supes, Hal Vs. Doom, Ultron, Graviton, Mandarin, Nefaria
Hey, what's up, Beyonder? I don't know if you remember me from the Superman/Gladiator thread. Anyway, If you don't mind, I was just going to bring up a couple points about your post.
1. Draco is not giving the JLA more prep time. Flash can give his team mates speed. From our point of view, they are only using the 2 hours of prep they are given. From the JLA's point of view, time is slowed down to the point where it seems like it has stopped.
2. When there is a group battle, I don't think its wise to split up the fight into specific duals. Listing the winners of the duals that were assumed to take place is really irrelevant. A group battle is a little bit more chaotic than that. Its possible that Hal and Magneto never even get a chance to attack each other.
I currently do not have a guess on which team would win. But, I just thought I would bring those points up. I apologize if I seem argumentative.
Originally posted by LexCorp
HAHAHAHAAH likei said all the tech you suggest smells of plot devices. Instead of fighting head on they gather the most trumped up DC gadgets. Don't get me wrong, I like DC comics but they seem to make every character god status and give them insane powers then gadgets. Lets just say Doom creates a goobergockengoober that processes 8 trillion strategies in a nanosecond.
So, are you voting for the JLA team in this battle?
Thing with Aquaman is now he has gotten a power boost. In Aquaman #17 he lifts up a city block under water making him insanely strong and durable enough to withstand survive millions of tons of water pressure [always had these abilites].
And with the new hand, he has vast mystical powers, control over water itself, amped up telepathy [if he concentrated hard enough he could cause you to have a seizure], healing powers used on him or others, and with his hand he doesn't dry out anymore. So he's at full strength the whole time. Very underated character, I blame Superfriends for that.
i want these guys to know taht if in mid battle, they realize that they are getting creamed, flash could loan them some speed and during the battle they could discuss what to do whilst the world is "frozen around them"
someone said flash would be countered by gravitons shield?
if supes flys around the planet to reach top speed and punches into gravitons/mags shield at 1% of light speed (which his stats says he can do) the earth will shake, it would be akin to an extiction level event meteorite crash. what supes lacks un meteorite mass, he will amke up for in strength and speed (as we know, supes can repel meteors etc)
graviton will be paste, and if by some miracle the shield holds, his mind would be ruined by teh backlash
aquaman could turn graviton into a snivelling sissy boy with his mental powers. flash vs doom. whilst doom is posturing flash would take a screwdriver and dismantle his armor 🙂
if nefaria isnt immune to mental control, the JLA will have him fighting for them.
before ya know it, GL has pitched ultron and MODOK into a worm hole.
mandarin would have to fight bats hand to hand (where he will lose) bcause flash has stolen his rings and is half way through writing his novel W. R. R. West's Lord of the Rings where jimmy olsen has to throw mandarin rings in the firepits of apokalips after defeating granny goodness (sorry i digress)
honestly though, u do know taht wally and GL could create a treadmill to rplicate/nullify graviton/mags powers right? and because of flash's speed and gl's power, theyd end up being more powerful tahn graviton/mags
why do i say this? in JLA year one, hal stopped the tectonic plates from moving apart. lets see mags or graviton do taht. wally's feats speak for themselves.
it will be a good fight. somehow they will take down aquaman and ww, but the JLA wins
Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Hey, what's up, Beyonder? I don't know if you remember me from the Superman/Gladiator thread. Anyway, If you don't mind, I was just going to bring up a couple points about your post.1. Draco is not giving the JLA more prep time. Flash can give his team mates speed. From our point of view, they are only using the 2 hours of prep they are given. From the JLA's point of view, time is slowed down to the point where it seems like it has stopped.
2. When there is a group battle, I don't think its wise to split up the fight into specific duals. Listing the winners of the duals that were assumed to take place is really irrelevant. A group battle is a little bit more chaotic than that. Its possible that Hal and Magneto never even get a chance to attack each other.
I currently do not have a guess on which team would win. But, I just thought I would bring those points up. I apologize if I seem argumentative.
So MatchesMalone, okay I see what your saying.
My point, however, is that it's two hours. That's the given time for prep. Why extend it? I mean the JLA can't come up with something in two hours to win?
If it's about extending time, Doom can use his time machine and give his team unlimited prep time as well. When their two hours are nearly up, the just jump back in time to the beginning and download their plans and strategy onto the Ultron in the past.
Both could go forever like this.