Marko Ragnos verses Sidious and Plaeigus.

The great Ragnos against the midchlorian freaks.

Learn how to spell they're names first. . .

This is silly.

OMFG Ragnos pwns the end

Who the heck is Darth Plageius? He was only mentioned once in some movie! all we know was that he was pretty good with the force..

No, we don't even know if he was good with the force. All we know is his name and that he was probably killed in his sleep.

We don't know if Sidious was lying or not, we don't know if he could use the force to move a rock, or to move a planet... We don't know anything about the guy. Everything Sidious said could have been a lie, or it could have been true and Plagues could have been more powerful then Marka Ragnos. Point is we don't know, Plagues is a none factor in this fight and far more likely weak then powerful.

We do know Sidious and he doesn't stand a chance against Marka Ragnos. So Ragnos owns the two...

But if sidious was telling the truth and plaeigus was able to stop death that would have been pretty impresive. Now lets say that plaeigus probably taught sidious this (as he could have used this to keep anakin alive after obi won defeated him). Then both of them would have been able to use this ability to make themselves invincible and defeat ragnos.

First of all he did not teach Sidious the way to do that. Sidious said so himself... Now of course that could be a lie but we are assuming its true for now which is fine with me.

Now Plagues could not stop death he could just make sure people lived longer, if his ability is real that is, he himself died. So he is far from immortal and he could not make himself such either otherwise he would have destroyed the Jedi. He wasn't all powerful either, maybe it was the only thing he could do. Or maybe he could do more but weak, we simply do not know. What we do know however is that Ragnos ruled the best of the best. We know that he was extremely powerful and we know he would tear Sidious to shreds in a second. Plagues probably doesn't stand a chance either, at least there is no reason to assume so.

the truth is that if both sidious and plaeigus knew this abbility (which is stop death by the way) than they would be invincible against ragnos. the only real arguement is whether both of them knew this technique but i will explain why i think so. I think Sidious probably used this for vader when he was defeated by kenobi. i can never be 100% sure but it would have been very lucky for vader to survive without it. And if that is true than it is likely that Sidious was telling the truth about Plaeigus knowing this ability and teaching it to sidious.

Originally posted by birthoftheforce
the truth is that if both sidious and plaeigus knew this abbility (which is stop death by the way) than they would be invincible against ragnos. the only real arguement is whether both of them knew this technique but i will explain why i think so. I think Sidious probably used this for vader when he was defeated by kenobi. i can never be 100% sure but it would have been very lucky for vader to survive without it. And if that is true than it is likely that Sidious was telling the truth about Plaeigus knowing this ability and teaching it to sidious.

If they did know it, then Plagieus would still be alive and Sidious wouldn't of died by falling. They don't know how to stop death.

that is not true. Sidious betrayed plaeigus for sure so if what i wrote above is true than sidious did not stop plaeigus from dying and that is why plaeigus died. and once plaeigus died than there was nobody stopping sidious from dying and so that is why he died.

Originally posted by birthoftheforce
the truth is that if both sidious and plaeigus knew this abbility (which is stop death by the way) than they would be invincible against ragnos. the only real arguement is whether both of them knew this technique but i will explain why i think so. I think Sidious probably used this for vader when he was defeated by kenobi. i can never be 100% sure but it would have been very lucky for vader to survive without it. And if that is true than it is likely that Sidious was telling the truth about Plaeigus knowing this ability and teaching it to sidious.

Plagues died didn't he? Knowing the ability does not make you inmortal it just makes you live longer..

Sidious also died, obviously the ability wasn't known by him and if it was then it wouldn't make you inmortal.

the only reason each one died was because the other either did not use the ability for the other (like when sidious betrayed plaeigus) or if one was not alive (like when sidious died with no plaeigus to stop him from dying). the bit about invincibilty was if they both used this ability on oneanother while fighting ragnos. then they would be invincible. i did not mention anything about immortality.

Dude they should by all logic be able to ues it on themselves if that was possible... Its not Ragnos would own the two.

For all we know Plageus was unbeatable in saber combat and -had- to be stabbed in his sleep. I mean really, could we be more vague on this topic?

Originally posted by Dark Nemesis
For all we know Plageus was unbeatable in saber combat and -had- to be stabbed in his sleep. I mean really, could we be more vague on this topic?

If he was unbeatable he would have most likely done more then nothing... Plagues to me is a weak fool because thats all I can guess. He's not going to be a Ragnos. Ragnos would have done something if he had to live in hiding.

Yeah, I think he was probably weak, if not overall than in saber combat. But I have nothing to go on, so he remains an unknown.

Originally posted by ResubianNushi
If they did know it, then Plagieus would still be alive and Sidious wouldn't of died by falling. They don't know how to stop death.

*Others'* deaths. Not their own. Remember the legend.

Now, as with Kreia - Sidious is a natural liar and deceiver. If Plagueis was attuned to the Force, and the legend was true - and IF he had the ability to influence midi-chlorians - then he possesses an ability that none of the Ancient Sith Lords had.

Like Janus said. Palpatine might have been forced to kill him in his sleep - or Palpatine might just have wanted to be the sneaky bastard that he is and take as less chances as possible.

Originally posted by birthoftheforce
the only reason each one died was because the other either did not use the ability for the other (like when sidious betrayed plaeigus) or if one was not alive (like when sidious died with no plaeigus to stop him from dying). the bit about invincibilty was if they both used this ability on oneanother while fighting ragnos. then they would be invincible. i did not mention anything about immortality.

And what happens if Ragnos kills them both at once - which he might be able to do ? Ups...