Originally posted by Scoobless
this might work if it was just Grievous he was fighting.... not enhanced speed Grievous + spider sense + multiple longer range weapons + ultra tough body armourKirbilactus isn't getting within 20 feet of Scarlet without taking a hit from something
that's your entire argument? why not?
Originally posted by jinzin
that's your entire argument? why not?
ok... well this part wouldn't happen because....
Originally posted by jinzin
well in jp's defense he could argue..and argue successfully that he really doesn't have to cross swords... obi dispatched grevious at the hands... klenshin IMO is a far superior swordsmen than obi so he's more than capible
...... SC's spider sense will allow him to avoid any potentially damaging sword swipes and his enhanced speed will make sure of that
Originally posted by jinzin
lui kang being an energy/chi wielding warrior, he could power up his weapon in a sense (as trunks did in dbz) and this would give him the sufficient amount of power to cut through grevious' armor
constant use of Chi energy will only weaken Kirbilactus and he still has to get through my defenses to even think about cracking the armour
Originally posted by jinzin
it's also of note than Batman beyond dodged the hell out of that expert swordsman-lady (who has a sword that can seemingly cut through anything) and that was when terry was green...now with kenshins experience he can easily dodge and even possibly parry (using lui's energy to engulf the sword and match blades with the lightsabers if needed
this is also flawed.... that woman was a highly trained human assassin... it's doubtful that she even had peak human speed, dodging one blade of a highly trained human is a lot easier than dodging four blades of a highly trained super speed cyborg
swords are also not all Kirbi has to worry about, at any one time in an up close battle he could be fighting to stay alive against the lightsabers (which would take all of his concentration)..... and he'd get his legs webbed up.... or take a plasma blasts to the body or face
spider sense eh? well if he's using the spider sense in a defensive manner how are you going to argue that he'll be attacking as well?
and JP doesn't even have to crack the armor...the armor has vulnerable parts where the organics are and vulnerable joints... as far as lui kangs energy goes, he can use it for days on end... show me where it ever exhausts him... it doesn't, a prime example of this was mk 3, a war that went on for weeks and weeks and lui kang retained enough raw power to tangle with shao khan... lui kang can concentrate his chi ala iron fist to be able to contend with goro...the same guy who overpowered baraka...the same guy who lifted up a skyscraper type building... we've already seen spiderman have trouble with martial artist's speeds... in reference to iron fist, the fact that "he moves has fast as he thinks" put spiderman on a more defensive end of things.... now you're in a slower, less agile body fighting a better fighter, who has faster stats with an enhanced body... how you think your spider sense is THAT overwhelming here I don't know...
also, you can't say that woman wasn't peak human...she was comparable to bats and we know bats has enhanced stats to a meta human level... hell it's entirely concievable that she was a meta human.
and finally swords are not all you have to worry about either.... energy blasts strong enough to hurt goro (a class 100 character by showings) and anyone of a vast array of batman gadgets can do you in...
not to mention, kenshin has an attack that literally sucks in his opponents...how good will your spidersense work when you are forced inwards and can't use it to evade? well nevermind..I think the question just answered itself.
Originally posted by jinzin
spider sense eh? well if he's using the spider sense in a defensive manner how are you going to argue that he'll be attacking as well?
same way Spider-Man always does... avoid the pointy bits and hit the bad guy
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Originally posted by jinzin
show me where it ever exhausts him... it doesn't... lui kang can concentrate his chi ala iron fist to be able to contend with goro
well i only know Lui Kang from the first game and first film... i was actually using Iron Fist as a reference point... he gets worn out when he uses too much Chi energy
Originally posted by jinzin
we've already seen spiderman have trouble with martial artist's speeds...
Spider-man also has no training... Grievous has bucket loads
Originally posted by jinzin
now you're in a slower, less agile body
Grievous body was never shown to be slow... in fact he was faster than many of the Jedi he killed and they had superhuman speed and pre cog... with Scarlet's speed added to that i don't know where you came up with the idea that he'd be slower than a martial artist
Originally posted by jinzin
you can't say that woman wasn't peak human
she was only a highly trained assassin
Originally posted by jinzin
and finally swords are not all you have to worry about either.... energy blasts strong enough to hurt goro (a class 100 character by showings) and anyone of a vast array of batman gadgets can do you in...
energy blasts that get absorbed by my armour and a "vast" array? 10 battarangs and a sword isn't that vast.... and each of these items can be blocked or dodged..... but reaching for one while up close could cost Kirbi a limb
Originally posted by jinzin
not to mention, kenshin has an attack that literally sucks in his opponents...how good will your spidersense work when you are forced inwards and can't use it to evade?
sucked towards him? i guess that means he's locked into being a certain direction from me as well.... so a full spread of webbing and plasma blasts should be more than enough to finish him off
Originally posted by jinzin
well nevermind..I think the question just answered itself.
well it's certainly answered now
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Okay, guys, this is getting out of hand. And this is to everyone, not just those arguing for JP: STOP. This is a debate between Scoobless and JP. Posting reasons for your votes and slipping a fact or question in here or there is one thing, and I kept quiet when it was just Dizzle, but now it's getting out of hand. I can't believe I'm the first one to say it, but this is how the tourneys work. Two people debate, everyone else just listens to the arguments and votes. I know we all have people who we want to see win and move to the next round but we all have to win or lose on our own merits.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Grievous body was never shown to be slow... in fact he was faster than many of the Jedi he killed and they had superhuman speed and pre cog... with Scarlet's speed added to that i don't know where you came up with the idea that he'd be slower than a martial artist
yet his four arms couldn't keep up with obi. 😕
Originally posted by Scoobless
she was only a highly trained assassin
you don't know that...you can't... she did things clearly above the scope of peak human ability..
Originally posted by Scooblessyour amror can take a class 100 shot? cause that's nearly what you'll be dealing with....
energy blasts that get absorbed by my armour
Originally posted by Scoobless
and a "vast" array? 10 battarangs and a sword isn't that vast....
electro shock batarangs, explosives, flame thrower, other standard bat's gear..common give credit where it's due...
Originally posted by Scoobless
sucked towards him? i guess that means he's locked into being a certain direction from me as well.... so a full spread of webbing and plasma blasts should be more than enough to finish him off
you won't have much time to react...AT ALL....
k sorry guys I just had to...
Originally posted by jinzin
yet his four arms couldn't keep up with obi. 😕
Obi had to use all his training and force pre-cog to get those hits in... and that was on the post clone wars Grievous... clone wars Grievous (the version I'm using) took on 5 Jedi masters at once and won
Originally posted by jinzin
you don't know that...you can't... she did things clearly above the scope of peak human ability..
well it was a cartoon.... regular humans in cartoons do things that should be considered superhuman..... if their jumps were all limited to a couple of feet off the ground it wouldn't look nearly as impressive
it was stated in that episode that she was part of a highly skilled group of assassins... if she was a superhuman it would have been mentioned
Originally posted by jinzin
your amror can take a class 100 shot? cause that's nearly what you'll be dealing with....
it can take way more heat than it'll have to against street level guys (you're talking about fireballs... right?)
Originally posted by jinzin
electro shock batarangs, explosives, flame thrower, other standard bat's gear..common give credit where it's due...
well what he gets here is this
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Equipment: Kenshin’s sword, Terry’s Batsuit, 10 Batarangs
when does Batman carry a flamethrower?
Originally posted by jinzin
you won't have much time to react...AT ALL....
just as well i get the early warning and super speed reaction times then, so i don't NEED a lot of time to react.... just a superspeed movement of the arms and you've got plasma bolts, webbing, stingers and impact webbing all over Kirbi
Originally posted by jinzin
k sorry guys I just had to...
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Originally posted by jinzinBesides if you look at it you are giving these guys way to much credit. Kenshin's speed is fast but I would put it at the 25 to 35 mph mark. His so called pre cog is based on three things. His ability to read emotions his ability to read an opponents body movements and his knowledge of their fighting styles. Normally they all work together. For instance normally Kenshin's ability to read an opponents moves is based on his knowledge of their fighting style and then their movements. On many occassions when one is thrown out Kenshin has been hit many times before. People who aren't that fast by the way. Another thing on Kenshin his fighting style basically is he tries to give more damage then he recieves. Which when he doesn't have the speed advantage is kinda worthless. Even his fighting style is based on him being faster than his oppenent. Also is sword is only made of normal metal. It was since it was made nearly perfect in design that it wouldn't break but put it agagianst the indestructable metals and it would easily break.
sorry... 🙁
Kenshin's speed is 25-35 mph?
That proves you know nothing of kenshin.
Stop ridin' scoob's jock long enough and pay attention, you might learn something.
Kenshin. is far far far far far beyond peak human speed.
Do you recall the match he had at the begining of the serries.
He was fighting that manslayer who could cast spells and paralyze people just by lookin' at them.
Remember when the were fighting, they were being watched by ms.kyu from a distance of about 50 yards away. All she could see was their blurr and could hardly make their movements out. Their bodies were moving so fast that they were complete blurrs.
Keep in mind that this was not a trick on the human eye, but that from a 50 yard distance they moved so fast their bodies turned to complete blurrs.
This was when they were only using a fraction of their speed.
(Remember, the guy kept taughting kenshin because kenshin would not use his full speed. The guy even put used a technique to increase his own speed and strength x10,though it alreadly was at body blurring speeds. He did this because he knew that if kenshin went full speed he wouldn't be bale to keep up.)
Another example, is when kenshin fought lord ryjututa, the leader of those expert warrior clan.
Kenshin took him on and was dodging sheer superfast sword swipes with relative ease.
Lets' not forget the fight with sojirou.
Sojiou moved so fast he became invisible.
Kenshin was going toe to toe with him,He was not quite as fast, but still he had to be superfast to even do as good as he did.
They were moving so fast that a drop of water fell to the floor, when the drop of water was almost on the floor they came from opposite sides of the room and clashed with each other.
If you ever even watched a few episodes of the show when kenshin actually was fighting and using his speed you'd know what I'm talkin' about.
The fact that you greatly greatly underscore his speed proves that you know nothin, I repeat nothin of the man.
And liu kang can be very instrumental in this fight.
Batman beyond's strength is increased x10(look it up)
He was dodging sword swipes from a world class expert master assassin using a plasma energy sword that cut through everything and he dodged multiple sword slashes in every direction she threw them.(it was like watching jackie chan movie).
Terry is most gifted indeed.
If a skilled martial artist can front thrust kick at a 1 ton and sidekick at 1000 lbs, the terry (in suit) should be able to thrust kick 10 ton and sidekick 4 ton.
Imagine what a couple of those kicks would do to scoob' amalgam's face.
Think birthday cake, then picture a 100 mph brick smashing into it.
Anyone for cake.
JP's amalgam:"Damn, I thought he'd put up a better fight, oh well, time to go polish my sword and clean hie blood off my boots. I think I'll take one of his severed arms for a trophy."
Oh and the guy who used the venom was doped up on several packs not one.
That first guy if that's what you're referring to merely caught terry off guard.
Terry wasn't expecting him to be that strong.
It's like you hiding a brick behind your back (in the ring) and then clobbering mike tyson in the head with repeatedly til he was unconsious.
He was caught off guard. You weren't that strong ,but you surprise him briefly with having a brick.
It's the same concept.