Phoenix Vs. anyone

I think threads about Phoenix Vs. ... should be stopped. Phoenix is the most powerful, second to TOAA. No comes above Phoenix in power except TOAA. Phoenix could beat whole Marvel Universe at the same time, somewhere in the same way like HOTU did. It can create everything, Phoenix creation power is beyond anyone and Phoenix destruction power is beyond anyone, except TOAA.
Phoenix Vs. ... thread should be stopped, cause anyone you mention, it's poitneless, cause it can't win against Phoenix, except TOAA. But it's also pointless to give TOAA Vs. Phoenix, cause no one can't win against TOAA (and because PF is one of the aspect of TOAA).

Beyonder could beat her. The original one.

I agree. When I first started on this forum (under another ID, WW_Rules) it seemed Phoenix was around 7th or 8th in the pecking order. Since then She has risen to second place. Personally I think the concept of TOAA in comics is completely ridiculous (hopefully we won't get into religious arguments). What's the point in having a single, all powerful, being?

Vs. Chris Claremont.

Originally posted by Wonderman
Beyonder could beat her. The original one.

Original Beyonder was humbled when he got a glimpse of what Jean as phoenix was about through Rachel. He really couldnt. Come on guys representative of the Crown is all that needs to be said.

the Spectre could beat her reborn ass.

Originally posted by Mainstream
the Spectre could beat her reborn ass.

Nope

damn....what about Silver Surfer

Rewad the Lucifer and LT thread to get a good idea of Phoenixes standing

Remember that the Molecule Man was just a pin prick to the Beyonder.
I always saw Phoenix as, one day,(another words when she was first introduced and getting adjusted)one day becoming like a very powerful Molecule Man.

Phoenix is not second best in all of Marvel. She's no even close. Here's a list of everyone that's above her: (not in order)

Dreaming Celestial
TOAA
Living Tribunal
Full Power Galactus
Full Power Tyrant
Ul-Terminus
Trions
Infinites
Cyttorak
The Infinity Gauntlet
The Heart of the Universe
Full Power Imperiex
Eternity
The Beyonder (true)
Nebula
Oblivion
Death
Infinity
Entropy
The Void
Current Scarlet Witch
Mephisto in his dimension
Dormammu in his dimension
Franklin Richards
Binary

And here's people who i think are almost at here level:

Exiles Hyperion
Rune King Thor
The Beyonder (fake)
Molecule Man
Onslaught
Stranger
Surtur
Ymir
Watchers
Celestials
Insane Genis-Vell
The Sentry
Zeus
Odin

The Void? Scarlet Witch? Hyperion?

Jeez. GS is going to have a field day on you. 😆

Originally posted by Wonderman
Remember that the Molecule Man was just a pin prick to the Beyonder.
I always saw Phoenix as, one day,(another words when she was first introduced and getting adjusted)one day becoming like a very powerful Molecule Man.

Now shes been made into something so much more 😛

Originally posted by armandovalles
Phoenix is not second best in all of Marvel. She's no even close. Here's a list of everyone that's above her: (not in order)

Dreaming Celestial
TOAA
Living Tribunal
Full Power Galactus
Full Power Tyrant
Ul-Terminus
The Infinity Gauntlet
The Heart of the Universe
Full Power Imperiex
Eternity
The Beyonder (true)
Nebula
Oblivion
Death
Infinity
Entropy
The Void
Current Scarlet Witch
Mephisto in his dimension
Dormammu in his dimension
Franklin Richards
Binary

And here's people who i think are almost at here level:

Exiles Hyperion
Rune King Thor
The Beyonder (fake)
Molecule Man
Onslaught
Insane Genis-Vell
The Sentry
Zeus
Odin

That is because your oppinion is wrong.

okay if u think im wrong tell me how she has proved more powerful than each one of those guys.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I think threads about Phoenix Vs. ... should be stopped. Phoenix is the most powerful, second to TOAA. No comes above Phoenix in power except TOAA. Phoenix could beat whole Marvel Universe at the same time, somewhere in the same way like HOTU did. It can create everything, Phoenix creation power is beyond anyone and Phoenix destruction power is beyond anyone, except TOAA.
Phoenix Vs. ... thread should be stopped, cause anyone you mention, it's poitneless, cause it can't win against Phoenix, except TOAA. But it's also pointless to give TOAA Vs. Phoenix, cause no one can't win against TOAA (and because PF is one of the aspect of TOAA).

😆 😆

Sorry mate its not going to happen. Not while sum 1 (not mentioning any names ..... punk) . Is around. In fact to be fair to him he has a point they; are quite amusing. 🙂

Originally posted by armandovalles
Phoenix is not second best in all of Marvel. She's no even close. Here's a list of everyone that's above her: (not in order)

Dreaming Celestial
TOAA
Living Tribunal
Full Power Galactus
Full Power Tyrant
Ul-Terminus
The Infinity Gauntlet
The Heart of the Universe
Full Power Imperiex
Eternity
The Beyonder (true)
Nebula
Oblivion
Death
Infinity
Entropy
The Void
Current Scarlet Witch
Mephisto in his dimension
Dormammu in his dimension
Franklin Richards
Binary

And here's people who i think are almost at here level:

Exiles Hyperion
Rune King Thor
The Beyonder (fake)
Molecule Man
Onslaught
Insane Genis-Vell
The Sentry
Zeus
Odin

Armando. While all peoples contributions are valuable your opinion is incredibly inaccurate in light of what is actually stated and featured in the comics. Please have some common sense:

Phoenix is responsible for Galactus' creation. What is now current continuity as made so by Xmen forever is the fact that Big G and all the abstracts are merely the evolved humanity of the previous universe. Phoenix sparks off creation and then steers evolution to the point where humanity evolves and then replaces the universe abstracts. At which point Phoenix ends creation and transfers it all to the White Hot room(marvels after life) before starting it again with some of the evolved humanity reborn as the new universes abstracts. Phoenix is the only constant in creation This was all made clear in Xmen Forever and is current continuity. Here is the latest Big G bio which supports this and shows Phoenixes role as his creator.

Originally posted by armandovalles
okay if u think im wrong tell me how she has proved more powerful than each one of those guys.

Helding the Universe, and than you think Odin is at here level. And Phoenix created abstracts...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Armando. While all peoples contributions are valuable your opinion is incredibly inaccurate in light of what is actually stated and featured in the comics. Please have some common sense:

Phoenix is responsible for Galactus' creation. What is now current continuity as made so by Xmen forever is the fact that Big G and all the abstracts are merely the evolved humanity of the previous universe. Phoenix sparks off creation and then steers evolution to the point where humanity evolves and then replaces the universe abstracts. At which point Phoenix ends creation and transfers it all to the White Hot room(marvels after life) before starting it again with some of the evolved humanity reborn as the new universes abstracts. Phoenix is the only constant in creation This was all made clear in Xmen Forever and is current continuity. Here is the latest Big G bio which supports this and shows Phoenixes role as his creator.

I read that yeterday.... yeh i know i was surprised i could ead aswell. 🙂

And heres her holding the 616 reality (Eternity) in her hand: