Originally posted by Deano
i dont need to answer to anyone. keep ignoring everything. maybe you should explain the peice icke wrote about how he got labeled anti semitic. why did that happen? because of two people. and the sheep that you are, you still slag him off when you havent got a clue what you are talking about.
the sheep that we are...i dont believe blindly the word of any single person...you do...that makes you easily the more sheep like of anyone on this forum...just because it isn't "the powers that be" that you follow so obsessively doesn't make you different from those that do believe everything their government tells them
and we dont slag icke off because we dont understand him...we slag him off because he's quite blatently wrong...you post that icke says the powers that be are reducing the worlds population...when the fact is the worlds population is bigger now than its ever been and getting bigger all the time...it just makes you look foolish
Originally posted by jaden101
and we dont slag icke off because we dont understand him...we slag him off because he's quite blatently wrong...you post that icke says the powers that be are reducing the worlds population...when the fact is the worlds population is bigger now than its ever been and getting bigger all the time...it just makes you look foolish
Well, there is that, but let us not forget the issue of lizard people. Although it is a point brought up frequently to dismiss any comment or observation by Icke, one has to acknowledge that anyone who would put forward such a theory and believe in it so, is not playing with a full deck.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Well, there is that, but let us not forget the issue of lizard people. Although it is a point brought up frequently to dismiss any comment or observation by Icke, one has to acknowledge that anyone who would put forward such a theory and believe in it so, is not playing with a full deck.
I'm afraid you have shown your true foolishness there KD!
Perhaps the idea of the Queen being a Lizard sounds absurd BUT that doesn't mean it's not true. I personally don't believe she is but to deny something that no one on these boards, or David Icke for that matter, has even the slightest ability to know about is sheer ignorance.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I'm afraid you have shown your true foolishness there KD!Perhaps the idea of the Queen being a Lizard sounds absurd BUT that doesn't mean it's not true.
I disagree, to be foolish is to be lacking or exhibiting a lack of good sense or judgment or to act in a manner that is a result of stupidity or misinformation.
To work on the assumption that something may be true soley on the basis that it is impossible for anyone to really know is preposterous. By that very reasoning I could claim that the world developed from an ancient intergalactic orange that floated in space for trillions of years. As much evidence as you could put forth to challenge that theory I could just respond with," Nobody was there when it happened and we will never have all the information, so it would be foolish of you to discount the possibility of my ancient orange theory."
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I personally don't believe she is but to deny something that no one on these boards, or David Icke for that matter, has even the slightest ability to know about is sheer ignorance.
Ignorance is the result of being uneducated or uninformed. Icke's claims of shapeshifting lizard people are discounted because he has no proof of his claims, and because all available research in physics, biology, history, psychology and science in general are pretty much counter productive to his theories.
An ignorant person would claim that it is possible without any proof. A person showing good judgement would look at the available counter evidence and the history of the person who put the evidence forth and judge it accordingly.
Perhaps you are just playing devil's advocate Gav, or perhaps you are just showing your own ignorance.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Perhaps your on too something! A great orange and a great Watermellon, drifting through the darkness of space...untill they collided! Hence Big Bang!!
No, a watermelon would be to big, perhaps an interstellar mango, but definately not a watermelon. Sorry Samuri, but once again...no watermelon was involved.
But you could always make up your own theory about a watermelon, I'm sure someone will believe it.
DAVID ICKE NEWSLETTER APRIL 22ND 2006
MASS IMMIGRATION ACROSS THE WORLD...
...SO WHAT'S THE GAME PLAN...?
Hello all ...
British newspapers have been reporting this week that the far-right British National Party (BNP) could make major gains at the upcoming local council elections on May 4th. A study by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust found that a quarter of London voters and one in five throughout England are thinking of supporting the BNP, a party of the proverbial man and a dog until not so long ago.
Even an employment minister in the Blair government, the ludicrous Margaret Hodge, has said that eight out of ten white voters in her London seat of Barking are ready to back the BNP.
The reason for this dramatic turnaround? Immigration.
BNP chairman Nick Griffin is calling for 'foreign pupils' and 'native English speakers' to be segregated in schools and for asylum seekers to be used to sweep the streets. He says that Britain should not become a homogenised 'coffee-coloured' nation like the United States.
Nick Griffin
I have never met Nick Griffin, but he would appear to be a deeply unpleasant piece of work with a vicious agenda behind his desperate efforts to sound as reasonable as possible. In America he would be no doubt be dubbed a 'white supremacist' who would have been right at home before Martin Luther King and desegregation came along.
He is caught in the great illusion that our race defines who we are when, in fact, the body is just a biological computer that we can control or allow to control us. The white race, black, Asian, Chinese, whatever, are software programmes carried in the DNA and played out through the brain. To identify who we are with a software program would be considered insane if we were talking of Super Mario or the Sims or some other computer game at the local store.
But what we are doing every day is identifying with computer software called David Icke, Bill Smith, Ethel Jones, the white race, black race, Latino, Christian, Jew, Muslim. That is not who we are, but who we are told we are. And until we know different we will always be a manipulator's dream.
Immigration is a major way to exploit the identification with the 'computer-self' to divide and rule the people through fear of each other. With fear comes conflict and violence, and out of the chaos comes the 'order' the Illuminati wish to impose. Put simply, Nick Griffin, and the 'anti-fascists' who oppose the BNP, are two poles in the same game and essential to each other from the Illuminati perspective.
Polarisation = Controllerisation.
Across the world, the immigration controversy is now a familiar theme. Hundreds of thousands of people in more than 100 cities across the United States took part in rallies this month to condemn new laws targeting illegal immigration from Mexico and the construction of a wall along the entire Mexican border. Major demonstrations were held in Los Angeles, Phoenix, Chicago, Atlanta, Boston, Washington and Houston with protestors also gathering in dozens of other towns across the U.S.
Meanwhile, others challenge the scale of immigration into the United States, especially from Mexico, and throughout Europe immigration is seen as one of the major issues of the time with millions condemning the influx of people from Eastern Europe and elsewhere.
So what's going here?
There are two main reasons - both of enormous benefit to the Illuminati who are the force ultimately behind the immigration 'crisis':
(1) DESTROY THE NATION STATE
The graphic below summarises the structure of control they wish to introduce. If you are the few and you want to control the many you have to centralise power and decision making and destroy diversity. Look around the world - it's happening every day and the process has been unfolding for decades, indeed hundreds of years.
This is what the Illuminati have been working towards. They want a world government that would dictate politically and economically to all countries; a world army that would impose the will of the world government; a world central bank that would control all global finance; a world currency that would not be 'physical money', but purely electronic, thus bringing an end to national currencies (the Euro throughout most of Europe is a stepping stone to that); a microchipped population linked to a global computer (microchipped ID cards are a stepping stone to this); and under that edifice of centralised global power would be four 'superstates' in the mould of the European Union, the fascist dictatorship that now imposes its will on an ever-greater swathe of Western and Eastern Europe.
What we today call 'nation states' would have virtually no power whatsoever. They would be little more than local councils administering the dictates from above. And this is the point. For this world government and Orwellian state to be a reality, identification with country and nation has to go. Cultural diversity is the enemy of global uniformity.
Wherever you look, diversity of culture is being swamped by the 'Western' model. We may see this as 'the American culture' being imposed on the world, but 'America' is just the vehicle. It is Illuminati uniformity that we are looking at, hidden behind the guise of 'America'.
So we return to the immigration issue and what is happening today. The biggest block on the global acceptance of the 'One World' government structure is the sense of nationhood and country. While there are still strongly-held perceptions and definitions of nation and country any attempt to introduce a centrally-controlled global structure will meet with significant resistance.
One major way of breaking this down over the generations is to have an influx of people from other cultures, so the native one loses its unchallenged status as the prime blueprint for what constitutes being 'British' or 'German' or wherever. Gradually, what being 'British' actually means becomes blurred in the melting pot of competing cultures until they pretty much merge into a cocktail that defies definition.
Such an indefinable perception of 'nation' is far more open to conceding power to the One World structure than someone who wants to protect the sovereignty of his or her nation state.
I saw a newspaper poll asking readers to define what constitutes being 'British' and the best many could come up with was fish and chips, a 'fry-up' breakfast, and afternoon tea. The definition of 'British' is already losing clarity amid the clamour for 'multiculturalism'.
Ironically, I am not coming from a nation standpoint. I don't identify with being 'British' or any other earthly label. I am infinite consciousness like everyone and everything else and that is my point of observation most of the time. I do love England because it is familiar to me and I feel at home here. But that's familiarity, DNA program synchronisation with this energy field called 'England' or 'Britain'.
I don't see it as 'superior' to other cultures, in fact in many ways it is certainly not, but I am comfortable living here, that's all, and I celebrate the diversity of program - culture - elsewhere on the planet. I would not want the whole world to be like England, or anywhere else. We should glory in diversity.
Trouble is, when you start to point out the hidden agenda behind 'multiculturalism', you are immediately tagged with the 'r' word - racist. Now, of course, there is something in this. Nick Griffin and the BNP want Britain for the whites because of a belief in some 'white supremacy', no doubt.
That's the level on which the Illuminati want this 'debate' to be played out. On one side you have the white supremacists wanting their race to control their country and on the other you have the anti-fascist fascists, with their unblemished hearts-on-their-sleeves, calling everyone with another opinion a 'racist'.
Polarities of the same vibration
I remember a police inspector telling me years ago that when he policed the marches of the National Front (a forerunner of the BNP) and their 'opposition', the Anti-Nazi League, he couldn't tell them apart, except for their banners. Of course not, they are polarities of each other - polarities of the same vibration. This is why you can't tell fascism and communism apart when it comes to techniques, attitudes and outcome.
This polarisation and name-calling obscures, on purpose, the deeper meaning behind immigration policies. It is not about this race or that race, this culture or that culture. It is about creating ONE culture, a global uniformity that disconnects people from an association with nation and uniqueness so they accept the loss of nationhood to the global Orwellian state.
The current assault on Islam is part of this. I am not a Muslim and I don't agree with much of what it says, but that is irrelevant to the point, just as 'racism' is irrelevant to the real agenda behind immigration policies. We need to raise ourselves above these levels and look at the big picture.
They want to undermine Islam because it represents a vast grouping of people, united by basic belief, who would resist being absorbed into the One World global culture of centralised dictatorship. This is why they want Muslims fighting each other. That's the idea.
A family in Baghdad enjoy a typical Iraqi cultural experience going back to, well, the American invasion at the start of recorded Iraqi history, 2003.
(2) CHEAP LABOUR AND DESTROYING JOBS
The Illuminati want a global Nazi state controlling a microchipped slave population. Crucial to that is making people financially dependent on their controllers - the government and the corporations directed by the same force. As I said in a recent newsletter, the Italian fascist, Benito Mussolini, defined fascism as 'corporatism' because it is the merger of corporations and state.
This government-corporation nexus does not want an independent populous that has choice. They want a dependent people at the mercy of who will give them a job at whatever wage the bosses decide. This has been happening in Africa and other parts of the world since the British and others moved in.
The corporations, again in league with their governments, first destroyed the native peoples' ability to be self-sufficient and then, once dependency was secured, they employed them at starvation pay. Look what happened to the Native Americans when the Europeans arrived - precisely the same. Their independence was destroyed, not least by killing the buffalo, and they were then at the mercy of the U.S. government.
Now, the so-called middle and working class whites and other races are the target for these techniques and a major vehicle for bringing this about is mass immigration and 'outsourcing' or 'offshoring'. Whether the corporations take the jobs to poorer countries where they can pay far lower wages, or they bring people into the rich nations to do the jobs for lower pay there, the outcome is the same. A loss of jobs and lower pay for the resident population.
'You don't want to do the job for that money? Okay, next! Plenty where you came from.'
Immigration and outsourcing have another crucial affect, too. By bringing enormous numbers of people from other cultures into a country you dilute the dominant culture; and by outsourcing western industry to other nations you dilute their dominant culture and way of life. Add to that the massive influence of Hollywood and American TV in selling the Illuminati 'culture' to the world and no wonder country after country is starting to live and look increasingly the same.
We had a glimpse of the future if the Illuminati plan comes to fruition with the poverty and misery of the manufactured Great Depression. The idea is to trigger another one, globally, and maintain it indefinitely. Hungry people with families to feed will then do whatever you tell them and they will be open to support aggression against anyone they can be - falsely - persuaded is responsible.
The Great Depression
Enormous numbers of jobs with British companies are being 'outsourced' to places like India and only this week a major Peugeot car plant announced it was closing near Coventry so that production can be moved to the cheaper Czech Republic, a new member of the European Union.
The whole EU scam has been aimed at bringing down border controls and import/export tariffs so corporations can manufacturer in poor countries with low wages and costs and sell in the richer countries at high prices and a massive profit. It's called 'free trade' and this is the reason for the Illuminati World Trade Organisation (WTO), which can impose sanctions on countries that seek to defend their own economies from destruction.
The expansion of the European Union into Eastern Europe has allowed workers from low wage economies like Poland and the Czech Republic to move without immigration controls to Western Europe to undercut the wages of the indigenous population.
I am not blaming them for that, nor those who take the jobs outsourced to India and so on. They are as much pawns in this game as those who lose their livelihood as a result. I was on an English ferry boat the other day and every single member of the catering staff was from Eastern Europe with little clue of what they were doing. I dread to think the pittance they were being paid.
Both groups are being exploited, those who are paid disgracefully low wages and those whose jobs they take. The Illuminati want to bring these groups into conflict because it fuels still further their policy of divide and rule. They are highly skilled at bringing two or more mutually exploited groups into confrontation because the groups blame each other for their plight instead of realising that they are all being manipulated by the same force to the same end.
Either we unite behind an understanding of what is really going on, or we fall - into global imprisonment - by fighting among ourselves.
'Twas always so.