Yet whenever there's a Supes vs F4 thread.... people always call Sue his greatest threat and start to spout off how she could make a bubble in his lungs/heart/brain etc lol....
Not that that would work anyway as his internal organs are just as invulnerable...
Yep - you're right guys. Supes would squash her in a split second.
I personally think he might be able to break her bubbles too.
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Originally posted by WynndarIf you say so... but she obviously can't do harm to his outside, and inside it would be the same story. Every bit of Superman's being is charged with the same solar powered and telekinetic invincibility. Read when Atom entered Superman's body.
well yea...considering the astral plane will be the only place he exists after she is done with his body.
Even without speedblitz he could use heat vision through the eyes and lobotomize her, like he did against Manchester Black, or suck the wind out of her lungs from across the battlefield like he did to another member of The Elite. He has any number of ways of defeating her.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
How is she gonna do anything to his body? When every cell is surrounded with an impregnable forcefield? Even if she starts a bubble inside him - how will it actually expand when everything around it is invulnerable...?
Invulnerable is a relative term. Superman wasnt invulnerable to Doomsday, Gog, Shaggyman, Eradicator, not even Blackrock. Sue's power over hyperspace has allowed her to break the armor of and temporarily destroy the most powerful Celestial Exitar (more powerful, durable, simply far superior to Superman).
Originally posted by Juntai
If you say so... but she obviously can't do harm to his outside, and inside it would be the same story. Every bit of Superman's being is charged with the same solar powered and telekinetic invincibility. Read when Atom entered Superman's body.Even without speedblitz he could use heat vision through the eyes and lobotomize her, like he did against Manchester Black, or suck the wind out of her lungs from across the battlefield like he did to another member of The Elite. He has any number of ways of defeating her.
Why can't she do harm to his outside. Other people have. If IW's hyperspace resonance can break celestial armor or she can thrust and invisible battering ram right through Galactus' chest I think she can do it to Superman. Is Superman's marginal invulnerability now superior to Galactus? The same goes for his insides. In my opinion at least, I dont think Superman has more durable insides than Galactus or a Celestial.
How is Superman going to get within Sue's field himself? The amplified power of a Watcher has broken her shield...but a watcher may be just as powerful as a sky father.
Isnt it also being taken for granted that this is INVISIBLE Woman. She could simply make herself invisible and then mount an attack against Supes.
I will admit, I could see Superman winning. I could also see IW winning. Im a F4 fanboy but at least I'm willing to to admit and entertain the idea of IW losing this fight. Others just say Superman without any kind of regard or knowledge of or about the person he's fighting.
Originally posted by WynndarInvisible won't work. Superman could see shifts in he atmosphere, hear sounds, etc...and so... Sue singled handedly has defeated Galactus and Celestials in 616? Pls show.
Invulnerable is a relative term. Superman wasnt invulnerable to Doomsday, Gog, Shaggyman, Eradicator, not even Blackrock. Sue's power over hyperspace has allowed her to break the armor of and temporarily destroy the most powerful Celestial Exitar (more powerful, durable, simply far superior to Superman).Why can't she do harm to his outside. Other people have. If IW's hyperspace resonance can break celestial armor or she can thrust and invisible battering ram right through Galactus' chest I think she can do it to Superman. Is Superman's marginal invulnerability now superior to Galactus? The same goes for his insides. In my opinion at least, I dont think Superman has more durable insides than Galactus or a Celestial.
How is Superman going to get within Sue's field himself? The amplified power of a Watcher has broken her shield...but a watcher may be just as powerful as a sky father.
Isnt it also being taken for granted that this is INVISIBLE Woman. She could simply make herself invisible and then mount an attack against Supes.
I will admit, I could see Superman winning. I could also see IW winning. Im a F4 fanboy but at least I'm willing to to admit and entertain the idea of IW losing this fight. Others just say Superman without any kind of regard or knowledge of or about the person he's fighting.
Originally posted by WynndarI wasn't commenting on offense, but merely the speed of thought, nowhere did I say superman is immune to all the damage that sue can give...
Sue shattered Exitar's Armor and then destroyed his core/"brain" in F4#400 and put a gaping hole through Galactus' torso in F4#391. Why do people make such conclusive statements about IW losing when they dont even know the extent of her power?
I didnt mean to sound so aggressive. I concede that the speed blitz would be affective. But the speed blitz assumes that Superman is on the offense while IW is unaware. What if an invisible IW attacks Superman? Furthermore, It is more of IW's character to have a shield around her skin than Superman to go around smashing blondes while moving at superspeed. Superman can beat IW but IW can also beat Superman. I'm just arguing on the side of the F4 character as usual.