It's amazing how everyone says that, for there to be balance in the Force, there had to be the Dark Side.
But...wouldn't it be, that without any Dark Sde, and hence, no evil among the Force-sensitives, that no proble would arise amongst themselves?
Like the Renegade Jedi that would later form the Ancient Sith, if there WAS no Dark Side, then there would not have been Sith, or Revan, Or Palpatine, the galaxy wouldn't have gone through what it did, if it wasn't for the Dark Side.
Re: The Jedi are full of it
The Jedi are keepers of the peace. They went into the Supreme Chancellor's office to arrest Palps, with swords drawn, which is not a crime.
Now consider the Jedi to be like cops arresting somebody. If you attack a cop with lethal force, they can use lethal force right back. If the chancellor had gone quietly, maybe this whole tragedy could have been avoided.
Palpatine struck first, the Jedi did not attack Palpatine. Then Palps quickly kills 3 jedi, then turns on Mace. Mace flicks away palps' saber, so Palps come back with the lightning. More deadly force by Palps. Mace Windu was in complete rights, by our U.S. law anyway, to kill Palpatine then as Palps was using lethal force at Mace. I don't care if Palps was mad because Mace broke his big window, that doesn't excuse it!
Originally posted by Caden_Amor
Once again, this entire issue is a matter of perspective. Imbalance to the Jedi is not bad to a Sith. And to say imbalance is 'evil' is just as stupid as calling someone else's opinion the same.
Your perspective when trying to talk about establihed facta of the SW Univers eis totally irrelevant. Only one perspective counts- GLs.
Any approach which starts trying to talk about the 'brainwashed dogma' of the Jedi has obviously missed the point entirely. You are wrong on these issues by a country mile. You have to understand that in a simple morality tale like Star Wars, the Jedi are the good guys, and what they do IS good and right. In Star Wars, that the Sith are evil and the Jedi good is a matter of objective fact, not perspective.
"And what lucas says is "the sith cause imbalance", which I don't agree with, because if the Sith are destroyed for good, the jedi have to die too, because without chaos, order cannot exist. I'm sure that minor enemies like mandalorians or a few gangsters can be taken out by the Republic's forces."
See, whether you agree or not is completely irrelevant. That, in STAR WARS, is how it IS. If you don't like that, fine. Don't like the film. But that doesn't change the FACT. The fact is, in Star Wars, that is the way it is. Imbalance in Star Wars IS evil, and so it is not remotrely stupid to call it that, that being the truth.
You have every right to disgaree with the philosophy underpinning Star Wars. But what you absolutely cannot do is argue whether that IS the philosophy or not, For good or bad, it is. Star Wars is not a Galacy where chaos has to exist for there to be order. it is a Galaxy where Balance is the forc eof Good, and Imbalance the force of evil, and your opinion isn't worth squat against the facts.
Anyhow, this and other inconsistencies found in the Jedi teachings are what have driven me to reject and renounce them. I am not Sith in the respect that I don't hunt Jedi down, but I am not Jedi enough to only want the truth all the time, and to do what I feel is right, not what some group who holds power tells me I should think is right. The Jedi hold themselves at a double standard, and are not as noble as they would make you to think. Just open your eyes, recieve only the absolute truth.
You do realize of course that your talking about something entirely made up...
Re: The Jedi are full of it
Originally posted by Caden_Amor
I mean come on."Only a Sith deals in absolute."
That is an oxymoron. ONLY a sith. That's an absolute statement! This is the last of many contradictions within the order that make them unlivable and completely false.
Kenobi tells Luke that Vader killed his father. Why? To manipulate him. To make sure Luke became a Jedi, and helped to restore the Jedi to power. He twisted his will. A practice the Order teaches to be evil and wrong. (at least according to the teachings of the Old Republic).
Secondly, it is common Jedi code not to kill anyone, if possible. Hold them as prisoner, try them in court, and then execute if necessary. Mace Windu and his band of Council members drew their lightsabers when they went to arrest Palpatine. They didn't even give him a chance to surrender peacefully. Not that he would, but its the principle of the matter. And then, once he has Palpatine beaten and begging for his life, he still is intent on killing the man! It just goes against their code! What the heck?!
Anyhow, this and other inconsistencies found in the Jedi teachings are what have driven me to reject and renounce them. I am not Sith in the respect that I don't hunt Jedi down, but I am not Jedi enough to only want the truth all the time, and to do what I feel is right, not what some group who holds power tells me I should think is right. The Jedi hold themselves at a double standard, and are not as noble as they would make you to think. Just open your eyes, recieve only the absolute truth.
Think of how differently Luke would have reacted to the information, had he been told before he learned the ways of the force. He would have 'fallen' to the dark side, but he would have done so fully aware of his decision. And he and Anakin probably would have killed the emperor off, too. I believe this, because after seeing the prequels, Anakin's motivation for his actions seems totally different. At first, he just seems like a ruthless guy, until you fully understand his work. He is trying to preserve peace in his empire. He doesn't want war, he wants peace. And he is willing to sacrifice all to get it. He was willing to do so when he first 'fell'. Eventually he or Luke would have discovered the taint that the emperor was, and removed him.
At any rate, I just want more people to know the truth. The Jedi are not the absolute good. They are as twisted as they claim the dark side to be. Open your eyes to the truth, and you will realize this as well.
IT'S A GOD DANG MOVIE!
A great one nevertheless, but who cares if parts are like what you said? It's for our entertainment.