it has been firmly established that Kyo can and in fact Did defeat Terry Bogard in KOF '94, but it was a close fight and even now they are still evenly matched as most top tier characters in KOF are usualy top tier KOF characters are so evenly matched that it really winds up being more bassed on Luck or Fate that determines a winner, K' Alba, Kyo, Terry, Ryo, King, Iori, etc all even. Terry also wanted Kyo to win, because he was familiar with the Kusanagi history and that time was drawing near for the Orochi to come again, so Terry decided to bring Kyo to the ultimate test he fought harder than he ever had before and was fighting with the intention of perhaps even Killing Kyo if Kyo coulden't win, the fight was odd tho, it didn't seem like either was more powerfull than the other, and it was more Fate Driven than anything else.
Terry was not able to use his power Geyser, he was miliseconds away from it and it would have killed kyo but, Kyo pulled his finisher out of his @$$ to beat Terry, though Terry was winning for a while till then, but it started off to be blow for blow equaly matched.
the main difference is that Terry has more experience and his power is hard earned, Kyo has far more power and it comes to him naturally, he has uncharted potential and can make up any move on the fly, as he is sortof a mutant like Pheonix from X-Men, he was born with his powers and has alot of it, Terry's power only comes in certain moves that he needs to master, perfecting every movement so that he can use momentum, balance and his center to make his techniques devastating,
where as Kyo can take any move regardless of momentum and balance, taking what would be a rather pitifull and impractical move and infuse it with flame to make it devastating, though most his moves are still practical, Shingo uses them without flame and can still contend with most characters, I beleive shingo is 3rd tier, where as other sortof joke characters (such as dan) are bottom Tier, though dan has risen with a few actually usefull moves.
bassically Terry has more discipline and Experience, as well as comperable ammount of power through his training,
where as Kyo is perhaps the most flexible in terms of what he can do, and has power equal if not exceeding Terry in most moves, though Terry has quite a few stronger moves, Kyo has more moves overall and can make up ones on the fly.
Terry's experience saved Kyo from Omega Rugal in KOF 95, where Terry, Ryo and King rescued Kyo and helped defeat Rugal, Terry dealt the final blow when he was locked in a similar "punch push" but instead of just using one arm and pressing it up, Terry supported his arm with the other and not only did it make his position stronger but it increased the push more and it shattered Rugal's robotic arm, Rugal continued to attack and fired off a move that I cannot remember but it is in KOF 2002 where he fires multiple Kaiser waves, but the overuse of the power eventually destroyed him, (he could still do the kaiser wave as he had half his arm remaining, the cybernetics was only on the forearm and his Ki or spirit arm was still full, so he had enough energy in his bio upperarm and the spirit forearm left to focus it, though each kaiser wave werent as strong (about 75% the strength of his normal one )) each one was still about 50% stronger than the one that Krauser used on Terry.
I rarely use the Greeko Roman war god defeat as a basis for my favouring Terry, it is defenetly a legitimate statement, but you can't win a debate with it alone, if in fact Terry can win at all, beleive it or not there are a few characters out there that Terry cannot defeat, but usualy these characters are ludicrously overpowered and even in their respective series no one character can beat them.
other times the series is on a different scale and such
Originally posted by Perion
it has been firmly established that Kyo can and in fact Did defeat Terry Bogard in KOF '94, but it was a close fight and even now they are still evenly matched as most top tier characters in KOF are usualy top tier KOF characters are so evenly matched that it really winds up being more bassed on Luck or Fate that determines a winner, K' Alba, Kyo, Terry, Ryo, King, Iori, etc all even. Terry also wanted Kyo to win, because he was familiar with the Kusanagi history and that time was drawing near for the Orochi to come again, so Terry decided to bring Kyo to the ultimate test he fought harder than he ever had before and was fighting with the intention of perhaps even Killing Kyo if Kyo coulden't win, the fight was odd tho, it didn't seem like either was more powerfull than the other, and it was more Fate Driven than anything else.Terry was not able to use his power Geyser, he was miliseconds away from it and it would have killed kyo but, Kyo pulled his finisher out of his @$$ to beat Terry, though Terry was winning for a while till then, but it started off to be blow for blow equaly matched.
the main difference is that Terry has more experience and his power is hard earned, Kyo has far more power and it comes to him naturally, he has uncharted potential and can make up any move on the fly, as he is sortof a mutant like Pheonix from X-Men, he was born with his powers and has alot of it, Terry's power only comes in certain moves that he needs to master, perfecting every movement so that he can use momentum, balance and his center to make his techniques devastating,
where as Kyo can take any move regardless of momentum and balance, taking what would be a rather pitifull and impractical move and infuse it with flame to make it devastating, though most his moves are still practical, Shingo uses them without flame and can still contend with most characters, I beleive shingo is 3rd tier, where as other sortof joke characters (such as dan) are bottom Tier, though dan has risen with a few actually usefull moves.
bassically Terry has more discipline and Experience, as well as comperable ammount of power through his training,
where as Kyo is perhaps the most flexible in terms of what he can do, and has power equal if not exceeding Terry in most moves, though Terry has quite a few stronger moves, Kyo has more moves overall and can make up ones on the fly.
Terry's experience saved Kyo from Omega Rugal in KOF 95, where Terry, Ryo and King rescued Kyo and helped defeat Rugal, Terry dealt the final blow when he was locked in a similar "punch push" but instead of just using one arm and pressing it up, Terry supported his arm with the other and not only did it make his position stronger but it increased the push more and it shattered Rugal's robotic arm, Rugal continued to attack and fired off a move that I cannot remember but it is in KOF 2002 where he fires multiple Kaiser waves, but the overuse of the power eventually destroyed him, (he could still do the kaiser wave as he had half his arm remaining, the cybernetics was only on the forearm and his Ki or spirit arm was still full, so he had enough energy in his bio upperarm and the spirit forearm left to focus it, though each kaiser wave werent as strong (about 75% the strength of his normal one )) each one was still about 50% stronger than the one that Krauser used on Terry.
I rarely use the Greeko Roman war god defeat as a basis for my favouring Terry, it is defenetly a legitimate statement, but you can't win a debate with it alone, if in fact Terry can win at all, beleive it or not there are a few characters out there that Terry cannot defeat, but usualy these characters are ludicrously overpowered and even in their respective series no one character can beat them.
other times the series is on a different scale and such
Very good break down. To be honest there have been alot of scenerios dealing with KOF 94. First off there were two KOF 94 manga's and I have one of them. The one I have Terry defeats Kyo due to Kyo's arrogence and understamation. The other manga has Kyo winning but the Japan Team deafeated the women's team because Fatal Fury and AOF were at a stalemate(I persaonally belive this is what happened) even Kailu Lanti's story never clamed Kyo officially beat Terry Bogard.
I also read the story on were Terry let Kyo deafeat him because Kyo needed to find out about his father....I actually like that story also but I would not call it official.
As for the Terry vs Kyo matchup Terry is definatley the better fighter and Tactian. I agree though what makes Kyo strong is his ablility to weild flames and his "special" genes. As far as Kyo's fighting and martial arts ability goes it's okay but not like Terry and Ryo's and such.
Brainchild once mentioned how I am a "pissed" off fan. Well now that I think about it it is true not because Terry is not the main guy anymore, it's the fact they hype Kyo as being untouchable and proof of this is HK KOF comics were Kyo and Iori act like DBZ gods. Alot of people who are green to KOF have this idea that Kyo is this superior fighter which I dont think is true at all.
Sh!t gotta get back to work....till next time.
Alot of stories have come out from SNK, and i believe that a true battle between kyo and terry will be undecided.Just like that of Ryo and Terry.
Probably becuase many Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting fans would not take the news of Terry or Ryo having lost to some kid that just showed up out of nowhere.
Honestly speaking i would go for Terry on this one. Not just becuase of experience and strategy. But becuase his will to fight out wits Kyo's will. And I also agree about the stupid misconception of Kyo and Iroi being the highest of the highest.That's a bunch of crap!
Originally posted by Shirizatu16
Alot of stories have come out from SNK, and i believe that a true battle between kyo and terry will be undecided.Just like that of Ryo and Terry.Probably becuase many Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting fans would not take the news of Terry or Ryo having lost to some kid that just showed up out of nowhere.
Honestly speaking i would go for Terry on this one. Not just becuase of experience and strategy. But becuase his will to fight out wits Kyo's will. And I also agree about the stupid misconception of Kyo and Iroi being the highest of the highest.That's a bunch of crap!
Thnak you are not an enemy eheheh just kidding.. youre ryt about terry. I beleve terry wont lose to kyo. y? look for the Votings... hehehe that all.
This is a hard one to determine, I agree that Terry is definitely more experienced, has learned many powerful martial artsand has all the tools in his techniques, plus he has that indomidable fighting spirit.
However, Kyo's crimson flames and natural powers, plus his own Kusanagi style martial arts style does close that gap considerably... I'm undecided, if Kyo had the dedication to his art that Iori had we peobably wouldn't even have this conversation...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
This is a hard one to determine, I agree that Terry is definitely more experienced, has learned many powerful martial artsand has all the tools in his techniques, plus he has that indomidable fighting spirit.However, Kyo's crimson flames and natural powers, plus his own Kusanagi style martial arts style does close that gap considerably... I'm undecided, if Kyo had the dedication to his art that Iori had we peobably wouldn't even have this conversation...
Hmm and I wonder if Terry was born with "special powers" plus all of his hard earned skills and fighting spirit would we be having this conversation as well...
it's a matter of conjecture... Terry could theoretically earn his powers (Or do what Geese did with the Jin Scrolls... That would be awesome), but Kyo's talents are a natural benefit of his bloodline, if he put the same dedication into his fighting skills as Iori or Terry, he really would be a very powerful character, however, he has a choice, Terry will never have the natural power that Kyo has.
What Terry does have though is mad skillz that he EARED
Touche. Though I think Kyo will never have the fighting spirit that Terry has. I also tend to think Kyo is like some kind of mutant...Terry I believe has natural power within...so does Ryo. I just like fighters that develop their skill through hard work and determination not one's who are born with special powers and by this they seem to get by. I wonder if Kyo had no such bloodline and had to rely on pure skill....I think he would get owned.