I asked because i didn'tnow if you understood the shield was being debated. digi said that what I was doing was legal. he said power meshing to do whatever was fine. yeah, the limit was titanium, though your breaking it. the energy limit was also cykle, and I broke that, and digi's fine with it. alone dazzler is in limit with a shield, but with siryn amping her, she's above, and digi said that was fine. what strength? 15 ton strangth, that's hardly anything. energy daggers trying to get through a shield that will deflect them? yeah, good luck with that. face it, your in the fog forst instant of the fight. what will you do?
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Please explain to me how you are going to use "ec[b]ho-location" while absorbing all the sound waves in the area? [/B]
oh, ha ha ha 😆 didn't realize that lol. well I can always hold off the sound absorbing, or choose not to absorb it. I can still use eco-location and just not absorb that sound.
How are you going to stock up a little light power without absorbing the sound?
If you absorb the sound you cant locate me. Fact of the matter is Black Pather and his suit that absorbs the movements he makes will sneak up on your amalgam fairly easily. If you absorb all the sound in the area you'll have canyon coming down on you before you can react.
Siryn isn't exactly known for being quiet and locating people. Dazzler is flashy. Spider-woman III is a rookie.
Two of my characters are expertly trained, one is a mercenary who's made sneaking up on his living.
I'll have the drop on your character if anything, literally.l
Originally posted by 8bitChris
How are you going to stock up a little light power without absorbing the sound?If you absorb the sound you cant locate me. Fact of the matter is Black Pather and his suit that absorbs the movements he makes will sneak up on your amalgam fairly easily. If you absorb all the sound in the area you'll have canyon coming down on you before you can react.
Siryn isn't exactly known for being quiet and locating people. Dazzler is flashy. Spider-woman III is a rookie.
Two of my characters are expertly trained, one is a mercenary who's made sneaking up on his living.
I'll have the drop on your character if anything, literally.l
you do realize that dazzler has like basically almost never ran out of energy right? I will have plenty of energy to spare here. actually, I don't have to absorb the sound I give to locate you, that's completley optional. yeAh, you may be able to absorb the vibrations, but they will be coming from all directions, you won't know which way I am. how will you sneak up on me if you can't see, hear, or move? really, i wanna know. why would the canyon fall on me?
I'm out for the rest of the night, but I will leave you with this.
it'simpossible to see in the light fog, and it happens instantley. you will have no idea where you even are, and you can't see a thing. i use eco-location to locate you. then I absorb all the sound in the area, making it impossible for you to either see nor hear while at ther same time put up a shield. then I web you up with psionic webbing, and considering you don't have a spider-sence, i'm not gonna miss. after your webbed up, you can't move either. now you can't hear, see, or move. what will you do? then from there i just use a few lasers.
I voted Chris, pretty early on. I'm keeping my vote there, however. I agree that lasers should pierce his armor, but I'm nowhere near convinced that you can hit him in a spot that A: Won't get healed pretty much instantly. or B: Will affect him getting out of the way of your next shots. BP+Deadpool+Doppleganger has to be one of the best dodgers in the tournament...
And then we get into stealth. If you really do absorb all the sound and use your light fog... You're pretty screwed. Espionage is a stelathy lil kid. No one can see through the fog, including you. (actually I don't think it really works like the darkness globes, meaning it shouldn't block out other forms of vision, because it isn't really magic. Here, however, it works the same) He'd likely end up jumping/killing you if you went down that road. Or he might even pull the collapsing canyon trick on you... Who knows.
You sitting behind a force field and trying to blast him could go either way... I like Chris's chances, though. He's a good bit faster, and much more skilled. You need a good solid shot on him for a win, and with the piles of boulders and Espionage's dodgin skillz, any hits are going to be few and far between, much less fatal ones. I see him slowly working his way to you, then going for the berserk dash and hack strategy.
Originally posted by stormfront13
I'm out for the rest of the night, but I will leave you with this.it'simpossible to see in the light fog, and it happens instantley. you will have no idea where you even are, and you can't see a thing. i use eco-location to locate you. then I absorb all the sound in the area, making it impossible for you to either see nor hear while at ther same time put up a shield. then I web you up with psionic webbing, and considering you don't have a spider-sence, i'm not gonna miss. after your webbed up, you can't move either. now you can't hear, see, or move. what will you do? then from there i just use a few lasers.
I'm positive you have very little idea of how echolocation works. We're in a canyon area and it's not going to go around corners. It bounces off the nearest wall or object in your path and returns the signal to you. How is that going to locate anyone or anything using rock cover in the Grand Canyon?
If by some miracle one of your little echolocation sound waves does hit me, the vibranium that makes up my suit will absorb it and prevent it from even give a hint of my location to you. So in essense, you admit that you wont be able to find me.
Black Panther and Deadpool are both leagues above any of your characters in stalking prey and hiding. I find you before you ever find me. No way around it. (Everyone knows Dazzler and Siryn arn't know for their stealth and subtlety)
You wont know where to put up a light fog. BP and Deadpool's movement sounds will be absorbed by the vibranium suit. You wont hear or see me coming. At least one of my characters is an expert tracker, as opposed to none of your characters even proficient in tracking.
I'll have the drop on you and locate you before you can ever get your precious fog up. It's a certainty. A certainty that gives me the best advantage i've had this whole debate.
There are numerous ways I could play it, I could cluster bomb an area of canyon on you or I could sneak up from behind and come in for the kill. I could just plain gas you and take you down while you try to avoid it. I web you up and you're razor'd to death.
Energy daggers will pierce your (Provided you get one up in time) or an entire area of Canyon is collapsing on you. Not to mention the 6 arms pounding and tearing with massive strength.
By the time Skriek even thinks of making a movie, the fights over and Skriek is regretting she kept her scream in check and didn't absorb adequate sound to power her.
The savage nature of the Black Panther. The Strength of Doppleganger. The reckless psychotic attitude of Deadpool. Far superior fighting skills...
Check and mate.
*sings "You can't light fog what you can't see"*
Originally posted by Dizzle
And then we get into stealth. If you really do absorb all the sound and use your light fog... You're pretty screwed. Espionage is a stelathy lil kid. No one can see through the fog, including you. (
actually dizzle, i can see through it fine. its like it's not even there for me. it's impossible for espionage to see through it, but dazzlers light powers make her immune to the light fog.
I'm positive you have very little idea of how echolocation works. We're in a canyon area and it's not going to go around corners. It bounces off the nearest wall or object in your path and returns the signal to you. How is that going to locate anyone or anything using rock cover in the Grand Canyon?
actually, bats use eco-location all the time in crowded places, and they know where objects are for miles away, that's how eco-location works...sorta. and how would you know where to go when you can't see? the light fog happens instantley.
If by some miracle one of your little echolocation sound waves does hit me, the vibranium that makes up my suit will absorb it and prevent it from even give a hint of my location to you. So in essense, you admit that you wont be able to find me.
actually, if your suit absorbed it, then I would know seeing as siryn sorta has a connection to her sound waves, and the fact that they wouldn't be coming back to me.
Black Panther and Deadpool are both leagues above any of your characters in stalking prey and hiding. I find you before you ever find me. No way around it
how are you going to find me if you can't see, or hear a thing? or move for that matter.
You wont know where to put up a light fog. BP and Deadpool's movement sounds will be absorbed by the vibranium suit. You wont hear or see me coming. At least one of my characters is an expert tracker, as opposed to none of your characters even proficient in tracking.
put up a fog? you do realize what fog is don't you? fog doesn't stay in a single spot, it fans out. also, your sound movements wouldn;t be absorbed by the suit, if that were true, then everytime black panther spoke a word, then no one would hear him.
I'll have the drop on you and locate you before you can ever get your precious fog up. It's a certainty. A certainty that gives me the best advantage i've had this whole debate.
you do realize that fog goes up instaltley don't you? unless your faster than the speed of thought(if you were, you'd be illegal) then you can't get to me.
There are numerous ways I could play it, I could cluster bomb an area of canyon on you or I could sneak up from behind and come in for the kill. I could just plain gas you and take you down while you try to avoid it. I web you up and you're razor'd to death.
cluster bomb? good luck hitting me, and of you do that then your only empowering me. gas wouldn't get through the force-field.
Energy daggers will pierce your (Provided you get one up in time) or an entire area of Canyon is collapsing on you. Not to mention the 6 arms pounding and tearing with massive strength.
how would you know to throw your energy daggers?
By the time Skriek even thinks of making a movie, the fights over and Skriek is regretting she kept her scream in check and didn't absorb adequate sound to power her.
with that speed you'd be over the limit.
SF is assuming that she gets to come into the power with a full charge. I think it's only fair that we both come into the battle with a clean slate.
actually, i do get to come in with a full charge of power because I'm screaming and absorbing sound during prep.
i read through half of the other match (which took f**king ages)... so i'm not going to vote this round as i've missed the whole thing and it wouldn't be fair to either contestant
yeah, i understand
See this post right here? ^ None of it happens because you can't find my character.
You still have no clue about echolocation. I tried to hint it, but i'm just going to say it. It's spelled with an H for crying out loud. That's how you spell echo.
Let me break echolocation down for you.
1. Bats/Dolphins send out soundwaves that could sound like little squeaks.
2. The sound waves hit an object and then return to whomever sent them out.
So if i'm standing around a corner or crouched behind a rock, there is no way Skriek has enough skill to discern the difference. Don't tell me Siryn was a bat in another like, I don't buy it.
Not to mention the fact that vibranium absorbs sound waves ( as you aptly pointed out.) So that leaves no way for you to locate me with echolocation because you wouldn't be receiving any sound waves back hinting at my location.
What do you mean I can't see? The light fog can't cover the whole Grand Canyon. No way. I'm sorry.
My speed wouldn't be over the limit. You'd just have no clue on how to find me.
I think we've established that you cant find me if i'm sneaking up on you. My characters are leagues above yours in tracking. If anyone is getting the first strike it is me and if I get the first Skriek it is endgame for your character.
Your lucky Scoobless didn't vote. 🙂
I know i've said it about three times, but it usually takes that much for it to get through to you. No offense. Your character can't find mine. That gives me every advantage. That's all I need to win.
I'm going with Chris. I find his arguments about stealth compelling. If he just goes to ground, he can wait out Shriek. Shriek can keep that up for a long time, but not as long as Espionage can belly-crawl around the Grand Canyon not being seen or heard. Eventually Shriek will falter, and get nailed as soon as she does.
Okay I just went back and re-read this whole damn thing..
I don't mean to sound like an ass, but I'm a natural at that, so that's probably how it's going to come out... From the starting arguments to the ending notes, I have to say I really wasn't impressed by the argument's themselves... Chris was trying to support claims that his character/suit could do things that he/it couldn't do, and stormfront was quick to make that same mistake....
While I found both sides to be very interesting in overall value and such, I did however not find these arguments to be very convincing one way or another... However at the end, chris raised a very good point, something that I hadn't thought about earlier in the bout...
stormfront's character does not come into this thing with a fully activated shield.... If she went after espionage in a ranged fight, his heightened descipline and senses would no doubt snipe her out first... at minimal distance, one shouldn't put it past black panther to just wip out his pistols and shoot shriek in the head before this thing even gets started... especially having bp's precision, dp's aim, and doddleganger's speed... shriek wouldn't know what hit her... Up close really isn't even a question...
So far stormfront's argument seems to be hinging on the fact (or hope rather) that shriek can put up a 100% battle effective defense, while bolstering an imaculate offense and aim, while obscuring the battlefield, while not be affected by said battle field's alteration.
It's simply too much multi-tasking for a situation like this.. Shriek has to use some degree of concentration to make herself effective both offensively and defensively, while espionage's defense is something that simply comes with the body... he has defenses both internal and external... Shriek is going to take a toll on herself using all those powers at the same time, or leave herself open to mistake attempting to multi-task.... it's simply too many odds to fight against at once... one mistake, one moment of doubt, one hair of a second is all espionage needs to capitalize and take the win... He however, can make multiple mistakes and just keep on coming.. considering that BP's the most proffesional one here and that DP isn't that far behind (in terms of skill at least) it seems that the possibility of error rests more heavily on st's shoulders than it does chris' but chris ALSO retains more skill....
sorry stormfront, I like you, I think you're a great person and all, I just don't think this is a fight you can win unless you are given some pretty serious benefits of the doubt here....
my vote goes to chris...
and I do believe that just made this fight even money...
oh yeah as far as to whom introduced that word equilibrium to this fight... THAT WAS ME 😠
lol... just kiddin.. good luck guys... both of you... it's been nice seeing you boys debate your asses off... 😉
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Let me break echolocation down for you.1. Bats/Dolphins send out soundwaves that could sound like little squeaks.
2. The sound waves hit an object and then return to whomever sent them out.
So if i'm standing around a corner or crouched behind a rock, there is no way Skriek has enough skill to discern the difference. Don't tell me Siryn was a bat in another like, I don't buy it.
siryn and banshee have both used echo-location is crowded areas, and still hcated people. they have also located people hiding behind certain things. and if you absorb the sound waves, I would know because siryn is sort 0of connected to the sound-waves. it's kinda hard to describe, but I would feel the absorbation.
What do you mean I can't see? The light fog can't cover the whole Grand Canyon. No way. I'm sorry.
it can easily cover the whole battlefield, and when nit does, you won't be able to see a thing, and you wouldn't know how to get out.
My speed wouldn't be over the limit. You'd just have no clue on how to find me.
yes it would, you think you can locate me, cover the distance between us, get your swords out, and chop me up faster than the speed of thought because all it takes is a thought to put up a shield.
I think we've established that you cant find me if i'm sneaking up on you. My characters are leagues above yours in tracking. If anyone is getting the first strike it is me and if I get the first Skriek it is endgame for your character.
how would you find me if we can't see eachother? it would take longer than a second, and by that time I can put up a shield and the fog.