Final Fantasy 12

Originally posted by Ushgarak
To do that by misisng out huge chunks of the experience of the game is to render the ffort put into the game by its story authors rather irrelevant. There's more to a story like that than the next 'plot checkpoint', you know. If you want that kind of story, go watch a movie.

I don't think that just because they decided to put all of this extra stuff in the game that a gamer should play through it just b/c it's there if they don't want to.
They may be in it just for the story and there's nothing wrong with that. That's why the people who put it in the game, didn't make it mandatory..
This said, I still went out and did the side missions b/c I wanted to do everything in the game.

Is it comprehensible.....

All the minigames and stuff, though, usually do add to the story, or at the very least are required to get certain things. At the very least, they're fun. I always go through and try and complete EVERYTHING....the main story plot, the side plots, the minigames...like in FFX, the main plot is about Yuna and Tidus, but there's also the subplots about Auron, Lulu, and Wakka. I always go through and try and complete ALL that stuff, because only then do you really get the whole story and impact of the game.

Which FF had the hardest boss ever...I forget but it was the last boss and every one complains to death.

OH it was FF7 Sephiroth. NO ONE BEAT THAT GUY.

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
I don't think that just because they decided to put all of this extra stuff in the game that a gamer should play through it just b/c it's there if they don't want to.
They may be in it just for the story and there's nothing wrong with that. That's why the people who put it in the game, didn't make it mandatory..
This said, I still went out and did the side missions b/c I wanted to do everything in the game.

Is it comprehensible.....

As I actually said in my post, if you don't try and experience the world, you are effectively missing the story.

The fact that people can just power game and skip the experience was actually a criticism of the system, so the fact that they didn't make it mandatory is hardly a riposte to that. It is very possible for the game to be a hollow stat-beating exercise to reach the next cutscene, which is a silly way to play a video game.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
As I actually said in my post, if you don't try and experience the world, you are effectively missing the story.

The fact that people can just power game and skip the experience was actually a criticism of the system, so the fact that they didn't make it mandatory is hardly a riposte to that. It is very possible for the game to be a hollow stat-beating exercise to reach the next cutscene, which is a silly way to play a video game.

That kind of thinking is exactly what I am rebutting.
In your opinion it is "silly", but that doesn't make it silly.
If some people want to play the game like that, let them.
There's nothing wrong with it.

is it comprehensible.....

Well, it is the truth. All the side missions and games and stuff are part of the plot, and if you don't do them all you won't get the full story. Even doing things in FFX like getting all the Aeons, fighting Belgemine...they're things you don't HAVE to do, but you won't get the full plot unless you do them.

Well I do do the Side Missions so I have no problem.

is it comprehensible.....

so no one beat ff7 ?

regetfully never played it but would like to.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
so no one beat ff7 ?

I beat FF7...

Originally posted by BackFire
I beat FF7...

Thats a damn lie. FF7 the last boss is made that you can't beat it. Not even the creators themselves beat this game. No way on earth you beat it. FF7 boss is harder than that lizard chick in Ninja Gaiden.

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Thats a damn lie..

lol.

haha
muwahahahaha.

is it comprehensible.....

Originally posted by TwisterGameX
Thats a damn lie. FF7 the last boss is made that you can't beat it. Not even the creators themselves beat this game. No way on earth you beat it. FF7 boss is harder than that lizard chick in Ninja Gaiden.

lol, what?

FF7 was a pretty easy game to beat. If you get Knigts of the Round you can one shot the boss.

Originally posted by BackFire
lol, what?

FF7 was a pretty easy game to beat. If you get Knigts of the Round you can one shot the boss.

jawdrop

Originally posted by powerfulone1987
That kind of thinking is exactly what I am rebutting.
In your opinion it is "silly", but that doesn't make it silly.
If some people want to play the game like that, let them.
There's nothing wrong with it.

is it comprehensible.....

What do you think I was asking for, to ban the way some people play the game?

Do try and pay attention to my posts. I started out saying that there was this flaw in FF games about how they could all be beaten in the same boring way. BF came and said he never played like that because it was better to play through the game properly, and I pointed out the game design encouraged a lot of people to not play it properly.

It's a flaw in the game which makes it highly possible to play it all wrong, and random encounters are at the heart of that.

It's a technical flaw in the game. But as far as opinion is concerned- I am seriously worried about your judgment if you don't find that silly.

Yeah, the first time I play through them I tend to do everything I can, just because I want to experience everything, as a result my characters generally get quite strong just from the weapons and armor and whatever "uber" spells you pick up along the way. This creates the problem I spoke of earlier, trivializing the end boss by killing it in two hits. The random encounters do allow people to just grind XP until they get to level cap, and simply blaze through the whole game without any challenge. While it's nice to be able to level up easily when you need to just by redundantly killing monsters over and over, it takes away from the story.

I'd also say that by doing everything in the game, you often lose the cohesion of the story. For instance, in FF7 by the third disc there is a massive meteor heading toward the planet, so logically time would be of the essence, coincidentally this is around the same point in time when you start to do the sidequests and bonus games. So people get to this point where the game tells them that a big ass meteor is supposed to be colliding with the planet in a matter of days, and at the same time it promotes you going and screwing around at an amusement park and breeding chocobos. If you do all of the sidequests at this point in the game(as most people do), you begin to lose sight the coherency and importance of your journey and begin only caring about getting the best gear you can. By the time you get all of the items you can get, and get back into the main story, you already haven't done anything to progress the story in so long that you just don't really care anymore. The game has unintentionally taken you OUT of the story by promoting the sidequests all at the same time.

This happens in all of the FF games in some way. So generally I like to beat the game the first time doing everything, and then later going back and playing it for a second time just for the storyline and skipping all of the extra features. That way you get the best of both worlds.

lol yeah.. ff7 final boss.. ugh.. I had basically just went through the game, I did whatever I could find.. but nothing to where I Had to go diggin for a side quest..

but me and final boss were so evenly matched.. I fought him for 2 hours and neither of us were coming close to dying... it really sux0red, so I just turned the power off -,-

If I could find a damn copy of FFVII I'd have beaten it.......😒 it's freaking impossible to find, I've been looking for a copy for Playstation for going on four years now with no luck.

FFVIII I found tricky and found that it didn't matter how much you levelled up, because with the exception of bosses, the monsters you fight will always be around the level of your characters (if I remember correcly). There were a couple optional bosses in that game that I don't think I ever defeated, actually.....

Originally posted by Lana
If I could find a damn copy of FFVII I'd have beaten it.......😒 it's freaking impossible to find, I've been looking for a copy for Playstation for going on four years now with no luck.

FFVIII I found tricky and found that it didn't matter how much you levelled up, because with the exception of bosses, the monsters you fight will always be around the level of your characters (if I remember correcly). There were a couple optional bosses in that game that I don't think I ever defeated, actually.....

😂 Try like odering it online if you do that then they might have it. FF7 is like the most popular game for some reason.