Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Well, it is either Djem So or Ataru, based on her extremely kinetic motions, and affinity for wide, crowd-sized blows.And as for the Agen Kolar comment; wrong. As darthsith19 stated, Vos only once dueled Agen, and that was never concluded. Vos simply retreated the entire duel; he was a quadruple agent for the Republic. He never intended to hurt Kolar. Although, of course, the Jedi Master didn't know this.
On the topic, ROTS made utter fools out of three of the greatest Jedi swordsman of the time. Kit Fisto, up until half-way through the Clone Wars at the least, was Obi-Wan's superior in saber combat. Even as of ROTS, he'd give Kenobi a run for his money. To be taken out by a slash, no matter the 'omg six seconds of combat' he lasted, is a disgrace to the character.
Agen Kolar was supposed to be a legendary Djem So duelist, one of the finest in the Order. Saesee Tiin I'm not so sure about, but he should certainly have been a force to be reckoned with. He led a group of capital ships in a particular space battle. I believe it was the Battle of Coruscant, but I may be mistaken. After his base ship was damaged, he led the Clone troopers into space in just their support-suits and an anti-grav pack, himself having only a helm with a small oxygen pocket. They boarded and took over the entire ship, and proceeded to destroy others in surprise attacks.
ROTS screwed with these characters. They were potentially incredible characters, Kit Fisto even moreso. And they were wiped out in seven seconds of dueling. Pathetic. Damn Nick Gillard.
star wars screwed with these chars, Plo Koon is a better master than KIt Fisto, and he is underestimated, GL has no respect for these average jedi...
Originally posted by Deus Ex
Well, saying he's below Plo Koon is presumptuous. Is there a novel where Plo Koon does anything, btw?
You going ot accuse me of steping on your toes or something, but who do we know more about, Ragnos or Padme? Who is going to win in a fight(not including nude wrestling)?
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
You going ot accuse me of steping on your toes or something, but who do we know more about, Ragnos or Padme? Who is going to win in a fight(not including nude wrestling)?
That is a bad analogy though. Padme always wins nekkid. It's SW fact.
And seriously, that is still a bad analogy. This is two jedi masters here of which we know relatively little. Kit fisto at least has a book with him in it. Plo Koon has a profile on Star Wars.com. It is presumptuous to say that Plo Koon whups Kit Fisto.
No not whups.
PLo Koon is mentioned in other comics, maybe books. Kit Fisto is also, but if we break it down to knowledge and experience. Plo Koon was a master and fought in wars while Kit Fisto was still training to be come a jedi knight. KIt obviously made it all up once he finally became a master and was sent on his own missions during the clone wars.
And as for the Agen Kolar comment; wrong. As darthsith19 stated, Vos only once dueled Agen, and that was never concluded. Vos simply retreated the entire duel; he was a quadruple agent for the Republic. He never intended to hurt Kolar. Although, of course, the Jedi Master didn't know this.
Agreed. Nick Gillard is a poor battle coordinator and an arrogant person. And he's very bias for Anakin and Sidious. You should read his interviews.
Yeah, but the CW miniseries is pretty hard to believe. Everyone is über in it.
star wars screwed with these chars, Plo Koon is a better master than KIt Fisto, and he is underestimated, GL has no respect for these average jedi...
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
However there is actually proof and evidence to show Kit's skill and ability, ability that awed Obi-Wan himself, whereas with Koon, there is nothing.
Definately. Kit Fisto had a reputation even among jedi. Plo Koon didn't.
This initiative served him well during the Stark Hyperspace Wars, when he took up the Republic banner after a great Jedi Master was killed. Koon rallied the disheartened troops to an unlikely and miraculous victory.
Miraculous victory, huh? And this was even before TPM.
Been there, read that.
First off, it was Agen Kolar who was felled by the the first attack, and Saesee by the second. Kit Fisto managed to spar with Sidious for six or seven seconds before his death. Now, not a lot, but he was up against the most powerful Darksider of the time, the one who would give even Yoda a hard fight.
Now, for that Koon info.
The Force runs strongly in Plo Koon's family
Proves nothing. He may be a well-off Jedi in terms of hereditary power, but so was Anakin. And he got screwed to pieces by his Master.
He shared a long history with fellow Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, and the two have fought beside each other in battle.
Okay. . . Kit Fisto shared a history with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Mace Windu; the former considered him his superior in the Cestus Deception, and it is shown well. Fisto stalemates Asajj Ventress, being defeated by a well-placed kick and two strikes. Obi-Wan however duels Ventress for moments before he is knocked flat, then hammered by repeated blows. He would have been wasted hadn't Fisto surmised enough energy to slice apart a dock with his saber. And this is after a wound to the shoulder and neck.
Anyway, if having a history of teamwork and battle with a well-known Jedi makes you good, then Kit Fisto is one of the best.
One more thing; what you 'hear' means nothing. It is what is presentable and can be made use of in a debate that matters. I wouldn't be surprised if Pllo Koon was on par with Qui-Gon. The Jedi was slain by Darth Maul. Kit Fisto gave Asajj Ventress a run for her money. Ventress would have slaughtered Obi-Wan, and guess what? Maul was cloven in two by a Padawan of that same Obi-Wan. So I'll let Koon have the superiority over Jinn. Really means little.
As a Dorin, Koon naturally possessed highly developed extrasensory organs that supplement his already formidable Jedi attributes
Again, I say 'okay. . . '. It is apparent you have yet to read Cestus Deception. Kit Fisto's tentacles pick up electronic impulses and environmental statistics, processing them through his mind and allowing him to quickly adapt the best possible strategy for dealing with something, effectively providing him with increased awareness and reflexes.
And your 'strong' comment. Try rethinking that. Your organs don't make you stronger. That's like saying I'm smart, and then I factor a brain and I'm incredible. You do not add power due to organs.
Koon was more martial a Jedi than most.
Again, read the Cestus Deception. Kit Fisto is described as 'a martial hurricane'. He literally moves his body in three directions at once, evading three attackers while flattening two unluck X'ing with jaw-cracking swipes. Kit Fisto is one of the most martial Jedi the ever was. He's fast agile, and obviously incredibly strong. Obi-Wan nearly trips over himself watching Fisto's grace and power.
This initiative served him well during the Stark Hyperspace Wars, when he took up the Republic banner after a great Jedi Master was killed. Koon rallied the disheartened troops to an unlikely and miraculous victory.
So he's a decent general. Kit Fisto has led and won his every campaign on several planets. Has Plo Koon done anything like that during the Clone Wars? The Stark Hyperspace War was two children fighting over toys compared to the Clone Wars.
"Miraculous victory, huh?"
Two words. Glee. Anselm.
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
Been there, read that.First off, it was Agen Kolar who was felled by the the first attack, and Saesee by the second. Kit Fisto managed to spar with Sidious for six or seven seconds before his death. Now, not a lot, but he was up against the most powerful Darksider of the time, the one who would give even Yoda a hard fight.
Now, for that Koon info.
The Force runs strongly in Plo Koon's family
Proves nothing. He may be a well-off Jedi in terms of hereditary power, but so was Anakin. And he got screwed to pieces by his Master.
He shared a long history with fellow Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, and the two have fought beside each other in battle.
Okay. . . Kit Fisto shared a history with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Mace Windu; the former considered him his superior in the Cestus Deception, and it is shown well. Fisto stalemates Asajj Ventress, being defeated by a well-placed kick and two strikes. Obi-Wan however duels Ventress for moments before he is knocked flat, then hammered by repeated blows. He would have been wasted hadn't Fisto surmised enough energy to slice apart a dock with his saber. And this is after a wound to the shoulder and neck.
Anyway, if having a history of teamwork and battle with a well-known Jedi makes you good, then Kit Fisto is one of the best.
One more thing; what you 'hear' means nothing. It is what is presentable and can be made use of in a debate that matters. I wouldn't be surprised if Pllo Koon was on par with Qui-Gon. The Jedi was slain by Darth Maul. Kit Fisto gave Asajj Ventress a run for her money. Ventress would have slaughtered Obi-Wan, and guess what? Maul was cloven in two by a Padawan of that same Obi-Wan. So I'll let Koon have the superiority over Jinn. Really means little.
As a Dorin, Koon naturally possessed highly developed extrasensory organs that supplement his already formidable Jedi attributes
Again, I say 'okay. . . '. It is apparent you have yet to read Cestus Deception. Kit Fisto's tentacles pick up electronic impulses and environmental statistics, processing them through his mind and allowing him to quickly adapt the best possible strategy for dealing with something, effectively providing him with increased awareness and reflexes.
And your 'strong' comment. Try rethinking that. Your organs don't make you stronger. That's like saying I'm smart, and then I factor a brain and I'm incredible. You do not add power due to organs.
Koon was more martial a Jedi than most.
Again, read the Cestus Deception. Kit Fisto is described as 'a martial hurricane'. He literally moves his body in three directions at once, evading three attackers while flattening two unluck X'ing with jaw-cracking swipes. Kit Fisto is one of the most martial Jedi the ever was. He's fast agile, and obviously incredibly strong. Obi-Wan nearly trips over himself watching Fisto's grace and power.
This initiative served him well during the Stark Hyperspace Wars, when he took up the Republic banner after a great Jedi Master was killed. Koon rallied the disheartened troops to an unlikely and miraculous victory.
So he's a decent general. Kit Fisto has led and won his every campaign on several planets. Has Plo Koon done anything like that during the Clone Wars? The Stark Hyperspace War was two children fighting over toys compared to the Clone Wars.
"Miraculous victory, huh?"
Two words. [B]Glee. Anselm.
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Damn...