The Black Queen vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by wolverine8888
win win win lose win not sure if he goes full animal prof. x will ahve trouble shuting him down. win win lose win win lose tie lose lose

Okay. Thank you for your time.

From now on, I will never take anything you say seriously anymore. You can rant all you want, but you clearly know nothing of any comic characters. In fact, you don't even know terribly much about Wolverine it seems.

This is how you voted.

Wolverine vs. Colossus.--Win

Wolverine vs. Thing.--Win

Wolverine vs. Captain America.--Win

Wolverine vs. Phoenix.--Lose (Thank God)

Wolverine vs. Nightcrawler.--Win

Wolverine vs. Xavier.--Not sure (...that hurts my head, man)

Wolverine vs. Rogue.--Win

Wolverine vs. Psylocke.--Win

Wolverine vs. Galactus.--Lose (Are you sure? Think about it. Wolvie might be able to pull it off)

Wolverine vs. Gambit.--Win

Wolverine vs. Havok.--Win

Wolverine vs. Hulk.--Lose

Wolverine. Juggernaut.--Tie (...Tie? Tie?! Oh, God...what have you done?!)

Wolverine vs. Thanos.--Lose

Wolverine vs. Silver Surfer.--Lose

I'm sorry. But after seeing how you rate Wolverine, your credibility has just plummeted. Drastically.

And to think I actually took the time to scan pictures just to prove you wrong of all people.

wolverine8888 is modest he knows that a few quick slices and galactus looses his hands.....

hop off wolvie's dic!!!

damn

Originally posted by Pointinel
hop off wolvie's dic!!!

damn

Originally posted by King KAM
stop playa hatin

you know who im talkin to KAM...

some people just wont give the guy a break

Wolverine vs. Colossus - Wolverine wins 2/8 times.

Wolverine vs. Thing - Wolverine wins 6/5 times.

Wolverine vs. Captain America - Wolverine wins 5/5 times.

Wolverine vs. Phoenix - Wolverine wins 0/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Nightcrawler - Wolverine wins 8/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Xavier - Wolverine wins 0/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Rogue - Wolverine wins 6/10 times if she has her current Sunfire powers, 3/10 if she has her classic Ms. Marvel powers.

Wolverine vs. Psylocke - Wolverine wins 4/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Galactus - Wolverine wins 0/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Gambit - Wolverine wins 6/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Havok - Wolverine wins 8/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Hulk - Wolverine wins 3/10 times.

Wolverine. Juggernaut - Wolverine wins 4/10 times against current Juggernaut, 0/10 against classic.

Wolverine vs. Thanos - Wolverine wins 0/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Silver Surfer Wolverine wins 0/10 times.

As you can see, Wolverine is triumphant across the field.....

Originally posted by Piedmon
Wolverine vs. Colossus - Wolverine wins 2/8 times.

Wolverine vs. Thing - Wolverine wins 6/5 times.

Wolverine vs. Captain America - Wolverine wins 5/5 times.

Wolverine vs. Phoenix - Wolverine wins 0/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Nightcrawler - Wolverine wins 8/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Xavier - Wolverine wins 0/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Rogue - Wolverine wins 6/10 times if she has her current Sunfire powers, 3/10 if she has her classic Ms. Marvel powers.

Wolverine vs. Psylocke - Wolverine wins 4/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Galactus - Wolverine wins 0/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Gambit - Wolverine wins 6/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Havok - Wolverine wins 8/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Hulk - Wolverine wins 3/10 times.

Wolverine. Juggernaut - Wolverine wins 4/10 times against current Juggernaut, 0/10 against classic.

Wolverine vs. Thanos - Wolverine wins 0/10 times.

Wolverine vs. Silver Surfer Wolverine wins 0/10 times.

As you can see, Wolverine is triumphant across the field.....

Honestly, yours actually does make SOME sense compared to wolverine8888's.

But I still don't agree with you on some.

Psylocke for one. She's a telepath. A very high level one at that. If Xavier puts Wolvie down 10/10, then so does she. That and she has telekinesis. She can just shut his wind pipe.

That's really my main gripe with your post.

Actually, no it's not.

You give Gambit 4/10, but Havok 2/10? That doesn't make any sense. Havok would literally fry Wolverine, yet he gets less odds. I just don't get it myself. Burning is definitely a weakness of Wolverine's healing factor, as comics have shown us.

And with Rogue. And I was referring to the Ms. Marvel-powered Rogue, by the way. My bad. She was nigh-invulnerable, superhuman strength (class 50, I believe), and moved at sub sonic speeds. Her reflexes put Wolvie's to shame. Plus she can fly. She should walk away with 10/10.

Nightcrawler...that's still a debate, I'll admit. But if he's fighting his best, he'll never stay still long enough for Wolvie to attack him. That and has two methods of damaging Wolverine.

1. He could teleport him three miles into the air, and drop him. The fall would definitely kill Wolverine. That's way too much of a damage overload for his healing factor. Which has been shown to be overloaded before.

2. NC just teleports Wolvie's head off. He's done it before. And if this is bloodlust, he can definitely do it again.

I don't so much agree with the Thing or Colossus either. Simply because Wolvie can't cut Colossus (has been shown multiple times) and Thing has put Wolvie down before as well (though he can be cut, so I somewhat understand the odds there). Sustained blows from either of them put him down for good though.

That's why I was so confused with your Hulk response. But I won't get into that right now.

Alright now. Those are my main gripes.

Thanks though.

Psylocke isn't a telepath anymore Metalmanx - she's actually completely immune to any and all forms of telepathy. She's a very very very powerful telekinetic (although her telekinetic fine motor skills aren't refined). As such I doubt Wolverine can win against her.

He probably wins 0/10 against Selene.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Psylocke isn't a telepath anymore Metalmanx - she's actually completely immune to any and all forms of telepathy. She's a very very powerful telekinetic. As such I doubt Wolverine can win against her.

He probably wins 0/10 against Selene.

That's right. I keep forgetting that her "revived" form is not a telepath like she used to be back in the day before that whole Jean-powers-swapping thing.

Forgot about that.

But yes, her telekinesis is not to be reckoned with. 10/10 against Wolverine.

And Selene would kill Wolverine just as fast, everytime. 10/10.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Honestly, yours actually does make SOME sense compared to wolverine8888's.

But I still don't agree with you on some.

Psylocke for one. She's a telepath. A very high level one at that. If Xavier puts Wolvie down 10/10, then so does she. That and she has telekinesis. She can just shut his wind pipe.

She's too stupid to go for her telekenesis/telepathy first. She likes to engage in h2h primarily because she's an overconfident purple-headed bint, who likes to go "I'm PSYLOCKE!" and God why couldn't she have just stayed stuffed on Vargas's mantle....

OK, I admit I'm biased in that one.

You give Gambit 4/10, but Havok 2/10? That doesn't make any sense. Havok would literally fry Wolverine, yet he gets less odds. I just don't get it myself. Burning is definitely a weakness of Wolverine's healing factor, as comics have shown us.

How on earth is burning a weakness of Wolverine's healing factor? He's recovered from having his entire body charred. I remember an issue where he saved a girl from a burning building, and another where he was depowered and blasted repeatedly by Mr. Sinister. Both times, pretty much his whole skin was gone, but his healing factor pulled him through.

Although Havok is a powerhouse, Wolverine has a psychological edge over him. We know Havok's always been intimidated by Wolverine. He'd be on edge, panicky, not thinking straight. Wolverine would get behind him, and that'd be curtains for Alex.

Gambit, on the other hand, always stays calm, is a veteran h2h combatant, with a telescoping adamantium bo staff. People have consistently underrated him on this forum just because they don't like his character. If Wolverine sprang up from behind Havok, Alex would panic. If he did the same thing with Gambit, Remy would calmly ignite the floor under Wolverine's feet.

And with Rogue. And I was referring to the Ms. Marvel-powered Rogue, by the way. My bad. She was nigh-invulnerable, superhuman strength (class 50, I believe), and moved at sub sonic speeds. Her reflexes put Wolvie's to shame. Plus she can fly. She should walk away with 10/10.

She has orifices.

Nightcrawler...that's still a debate, I'll admit. But if he's fighting his best, he'll never stay still long enough for Wolvie to attack him. That and has two methods of damaging Wolverine.

1. He could teleport him three miles into the air, and drop him. The fall would definitely kill Wolverine. That's way too much of a damage overload for his healing factor. Which has been shown to be overloaded before.

2. NC just teleports Wolvie's head off. He's done it before. And if this is bloodlust, he can definitely do it again.

Wolverine has enhanced reflexes. Nightcrawler's agility and speed is purely from his acrobatic training. Wolverine would slice Kurt open if 'Crawler attempted to grab him. Wolverine is a martial arts master--he'd be able to guess with relative accuracy where Kurt was going to pop up next.

And Nightcrawler teleporting people's body parts away is just dumb. Wolverine walking away from a nuclear blast dumb.

I don't so much agree with the Thing or Colossus either. Simply because Wolvie can't cut Colossus (has been shown multiple times) and Thing has put Wolvie down before as well (though he can be cut, so I somewhat understand the odds there). Sustained blows from either of them put him down for good though.

OMFG COLOSSUS'S EYES CN WITSTND A .45 CAL BULT

Yeah, so can a sentinel's armor, and Wolverine goes right through those. Wolverine COULD retract his middle claw and put one through either of Rasputin's eyes. But it's very unlikely he could pull the maneuver off.

Wolverine vs the Thing goes like this:

Thing and Wolverine are fighting, but not really all out. Then Wolverine loses control, and slashes off a piece of Ben's face. Wolverine regains his senses, realizes what he's done, stops and goes, "Ben.... I'm sorry!" Thing is enraged beyond words and knocks him through five walls. Wolverine gets up a few moments later.

If the two are fighting each other all out, than Wolverine is simply more lethal and more skilled (he doesn't lose any technique when he drops into a bezerker rage.)

Originally posted by Piedmon
She's too stupid to go for her telekenesis/telepathy first. She likes to engage in h2h primarily because she's an overconfident purple-headed bint, who likes to go "I'm [b]PSYLOCKE!" and God why couldn't she have just stayed stuffed on Vargas's mantle....

OK, I admit I'm biased in that one.

How on earth is burning a weakness of Wolverine's healing factor? He's recovered from having his entire body charred. I remember an issue where he saved a girl from a burning building, and another where he was depowered and blasted repeatedly by Mr. Sinister. Both times, pretty much his whole skin was gone, but his healing factor pulled him through.

Although Havok is a powerhouse, Wolverine has a psychological edge over him. We know Havok's always been intimidated by Wolverine. He'd be on edge, panicky, not thinking straight. Wolverine would get behind him, and that'd be curtains for Alex.

Gambit, on the other hand, always stays calm, is a veteran h2h combatant, with a telescoping adamantium bo staff. People have consistently underrated him on this forum just because they don't like his character. If Wolverine sprang up from behind Havok, Alex would panic. If he did the same thing with Gambit, Remy would calmly ignite the floor under Wolverine's feet.

She has orifices.

Wolverine has enhanced reflexes. Nightcrawler's agility and speed is purely from his acrobatic training. Wolverine would slice Kurt open if 'Crawler attempted to grab him. Wolverine is a martial arts master--he'd be able to guess with relative accuracy where Kurt was going to pop up next.

And Nightcrawler teleporting people's body parts away is just dumb. Wolverine walking away from a nuclear blast dumb.

OMFG COLOSSUS'S EYES CN WITSTND A .45 CAL BULT

Yeah, so can a sentinel's armor, and Wolverine goes right through those. Wolverine COULD retract his middle claw and put one through either of Rasputin's eyes. But it's very unlikely he could pull the maneuver off.

Wolverine vs the Thing goes like this:

Thing and Wolverine are fighting, but not really all out. Then Wolverine loses control, and slashes off a piece of Ben's face. Wolverine regains his senses, realizes what he's done, stops and goes, "Ben.... I'm sorry!" Thing is enraged beyond words and knocks him through five walls. Wolverine gets up a few moments later.

If the two are fighting each other all out, than Wolverine is simply more lethal and more skilled (he doesn't lose any technique when he drops into a bezerker rage.) [/B]

Wolverine can't penetrate Colossus organic steel tissues. That is established.

Havok is more likely to win against Wolverine than Gambit. Havok can release an omnidirectional blast of plasma that would inflict damage enough to overload the healing factor and kill Wolverine. These aren't just surface burns. The temperatures would boil blood, burst cells, destroy the heart, lungs, liver, braind too fast to heal.

Psylocke isn't an idiot. She didn't have the level of telekinesis she does now prior to her death when she fought Vargas. Her TK blade can technically cut through anything with the exception of organic matter which when it passes through disrupts nervous circuits. She'd win.

If Rogue is bloodlusted she can just drain Wolverine until he's dead.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wolverine can't penetrate Colossus organic steel tissues. That is established.

Havok is more likely to win against Wolverine than Gambit. Havok can release an omnidirectional blast of plasma that would inflict damage enough to overload the healing factor and kill Wolverine. These aren't just surface burns. The temperatures would boil blood, burst cells, destroy the heart, lungs, liver, braind too fast to heal.

Throw Havok and Wolverine in the danger room, put Wolverine 40 feet right in front of Havok, and Havok can cook him. But that's not making it FAIR, anymore than giving a guy a sword and putting him 40 feet in front of a guy with a gun is fair.

Wolverine is a superior strategist. More often than not, the fight will be on his terms, and Havok will barely register what hit him.

[quote]Psylocke isn't an idiot. She didn't have the level of telekinesis she does now prior to her death when she fought Vargas. Her TK blade can technically cut through anything with the exception of organic matter which when it passes through disrupts nervous circuits. She'd win.

....Yeah, well..... Wolverine's not lame and she is..... I rest my case...

If Rogue is bloodlusted she can just drain Wolverine until he's dead.

Wolverine tells her his healing factor can cope with her power, which gets her.... interested..... than he seduces her over the traditional Tennesse romantic dinner of Jack Daniels and Hush Puppies.... then when she's about ready to melt into his arms SNIKT brawr win.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wolverine can't penetrate Colossus organic steel tissues. That is established.

Havok is more likely to win against Wolverine than Gambit. Havok can release an omnidirectional blast of plasma that would inflict damage enough to overload the healing factor and kill Wolverine. These aren't just surface burns. The temperatures would boil blood, burst cells, destroy the heart, lungs, liver, braind too fast to heal.

Psylocke isn't an idiot. She didn't have the level of telekinesis she does now prior to her death when she fought Vargas. Her TK blade can technically cut through anything with the exception of organic matter which when it passes through disrupts nervous circuits. She'd win.

If Rogue is bloodlusted she can just drain Wolverine until he's dead.

She doesn't need to. Rogue can just pound Wolvie till he's dead.

And yes, Havok I agree completely with you. Besides, I don't know what Havok he's referring to, but Havok is now the leader of one team. He's not pussy-footing around like he used to. He's got responsibility and QUITE the level head on his shoulders.

There will be no panicing on his part, Piedmon.

And Colossus, clearly.

And Psylocke.

Actually, most of the time, you and I agree pretty much 100% on things.

Keep up the good work. 😛

when they beat shatterstar in a h2h fight twice then they can talk.

Originally posted by Piedmon
Throw Havok and Wolverine in the danger room, put Wolverine 40 feet right in front of Havok, and Havok can cook him. But that's not making it FAIR, anymore than giving a guy a sword and putting him 40 feet in front of a guy with a gun is fair.

Wolverine is a superior strategist. More often than not, the fight will be on his terms, and Havok will barely register what hit him.

Originally posted by Piedmon
Wolverine tells her his healing factor can cope with her power, which gets her.... interested..... than he seduces her over the traditional Tennesse romantic dinner of Jack Daniels and Hush Puppies.... then when she's about ready to melt into his arms SNIKT brawr win.

Does he beat Selene?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So you want to engineer specific scenarios stacked in Wolverine's favour where Wolverine could win instead of using impartial scenarios where Wolverine would lose? Strange definition of fair...

There's nothing 'impartial' in facing them off in an open area. Havok and Wolverine just have completely different fighting styles. So there's really no way for them to meet on equal ground.

Why would she believe Wolverine's healing factor can cope with her absorption abilities when she knows her absorption abilities would make his healing factor hers? Rogue wins.

Hint.... anytime I mention J.D in a post, it's a joke.

Does he beat Selene?

Dunno, never read a comic with her in it.

Lol I know it was a joke. Still even in the joke he'd lose. 😛
There are no fight parameters given - in which case I assume featureless environment and definitely no prep.

The answer to "does he beat Selene"? Is "No".

One would think someone like Wolverine with all the memories that haunt him and the gaps and stuff would be a primary target. She's grows a bit snobbish towards run of the mill "meals".

Selene as a telepath is around Emmas strength...that alone would give her the power to win this.

What makes her FAAAR superior to Logan are her inanimate matter controling and life draining abilities. She could simply "melt" the adamantium in his body like Mags did and then reshape it at her will. This would DEFINITLY overload his regeneration and even if he survives he would be in absolutely no shape to counter her life drain.

This fight is so overwhelmingly unfair that i can't even put it into words!!! no2