What makes PS3 so serious?

Started by SlimYout7 pages

"Sell them for drugs"😆
Anyways, even if you don't like Nintendo you should give them some respect. What's pissing me off is the fact that these game developers/companies rely too heavily on sequels. I will do ten back-flips, elbow drop the ground, an......and just die when games like Shadow of the Colossus become mainstream. The Cube is tough. My friend glued RE0 back together and it works fine till this day. I should have went with my gut and got a Gamecube. Two final questions, by estimation how much content can be fit onto each individual systems disc? (Audio/Video) And getting back to my past post what do you believe will be the main selling of these consoles?

The current generation's discs? I can kinda sorta answer that.

The GameCube discs have a lower capacity than the others, but still significant to cram most games into no more than two discs.

PS games are usually between one and four discs.

Xbox games are almost always one disc.

Let me be clear. I was referring to the upcoming generations disc. But, its better I know what the current CD format capacity. PS or PS2 can hold between and four disc? A little confused? Also, does anyone know how to check for unused space on a game disc?

Originally posted by SlimYout
C-Master love the heads exploding. Anyway when you say options, you mean backwards compatibility, dvd, etc? And out of the things you listed, which two contributed most to Sony's winning of the race
Library of games (games make the system of course), and the controllers.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Hm. I hate arguing from ignorance, so I'll just stick to what i know about the last gen systems.
No problem, lets do that then.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Nintendo didn't come out swinging, but I think it's easily a great system.

Its a good system, but the current ones have been less impressive, and the N64 was less impressive than the playstation.

Anyways, the SNES was better, but in this day and age, the ideas may be getting less and less appealing, for the growing ages.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
I loved the NES, and SNES was easily the best system and selection of games. N64 had some good titles, but was primitive.

SNES WAS the best nintendo system, I agree 100%.

Thats when there were only 2 major consoles, and the nintendo didn't whore first party titles all the time, there were alot of interesting games to play.

Genesis was still a notch better IMO.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
GameCube I think is a very capable system (I mean, it sports an ATI Radeon chipset and plays games like the RE series which rival games on Xbox)

Capable?

Reiterate capable, because capable is too loose a term, alot of things are capable.

Saddam is Capable of being free, but nevermind.

The Gamecube didn't have to many breathtaking, revolutionary titles at all, metriod prime, and the resident evil, where the games people were bragging about.

Other games just appealed to long time fans, make a shitty zelda, and the people will still buy it.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
The controller seemed awkward at first, but I don't mind it... much.

Controller is good for the first party titles you play, not much else.

It was poor for fighting games, and decent for shooters, the buttons were all over the place, the size of them was different.

I don't care about the "cooL" arcade look of my controller, I need a balanced one that functions.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
PSII is the cheapest system out. Breaks easier than a glass toothpick, and that controller is "comfortable" for some

Playstation did have their hardware problems, and I was the blessed to have one that didn't.

Remember that it was the oldest system, and was out before the others though.

Controller is the best, not too big, not too small, and no stupid "gimmicky" buttons, you had buttons that were symmetric and the same size.

Parallel.

Easy to relate to the position, and play accordingly within a short time.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
, but the analog blows worse than the GC controller and the buttons seem to have gotten worse from the PS.

GC had a decent analog, sony was the analog system, the ps2 controller had nice quality to it, like the logitech.

The GC controller felt somewhat cheap.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Sure, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But the PS II controllers are archaic and continuing them would be moronic.

Archaic, moronic?

A controller isn't a gimmick, its a controller, its not about looks, its about efficiency.

Fighting games and others worked best on it hands down.

Let me see, why did capcom vs snk 2 have to install extra controller options for the GC and Xbox, oh wait, dont tell me.

You could never play hardcore streetfighter alpha three, and do the advanced motions with ease, the dpad is miniscule, and moves too much, it feels cheap.

Playstation controller works fine, I hope it doesn't go for gimmick, but it really doesn't need to.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
And secondly, PS II has a lot of games, but face it- a lot of them aren't worth using as coasters.

I could counter this with the "kiddy" games logic, but I'm not.

What games?

Max Paine, GTA, Beyond good and evil, ?

Playstation had games for all ages and people, and the taste varied, because nintendo had very little third party support, just many games that appealed to long time fans of the system.

Though Tales of Symphonia was nice.

Xbox just had halo.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
And any game on the PS would look and play ten times better on either GC or XBox.

I guess, I'll just leave what you said here.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Now, the MIcrosoft monster... I like the Xbox, but then again in the beginning I was the only one I knew who did.

I knew it was quite overrated myself.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
It's still a solid system with the best specs on the market for consoles, and a built in hard drive that's nigh-impossible to fill up.

All xbox is was specs, it was little else.

Gamers aren't graphic whores yet, hence, playstation having the worst specs and still winning.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
If PS III is gonna be stale and just like an upgraded PS II, the company is gonna eat itself alive.

I thought you didn't like arguing from ignorance, the other systems will rely on celebrities and fanboys to sell and advertise at E3 like they had in the past.

Playstation just used developers.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Third party support or no, you need a flexible system that stands up to routine abuse, since all these baby boomers are buying their kids expensive video game consoles, and the older crowd drinks and smokes all the damn time.

I agree with that however.

Many older people liked the playstation, and found it well with their liking.

Gamecube had the best durability, and the games are aimed at kids, so that would lead me to conclude.

And while we are on the subject, gamecube didn't have online play, period.

Come now, get with the program.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
Backwards compatibility works, if you're cramped for space or have a tendency to break your old systems or sell them for drugs.

No, backwards compatibility works because you can buy a new system and play more than one FIRST PARTY game, and keep your controllers, and memory etc.

I don't know the extent of the backwards compatibility, but I find it funny that when it goes to nintendo, the people see it as a blessing and original.

While playstations backwards support is shunned.

Surprised? No.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
But seriously, Sony needs to grow some balls itself and make a game besides Crash Bandicoot. Nintendo is infamous for classic games, and Microsoft is no slouch either.

Its the opposite way around actually, nintendo needs to grow balls and make more mature games.

Lets see, gran turismo, tomb raider is now mediocre, twisted metal is excellent, and the list goes on.

Games that break and innovate realism, nintendo is still stuck with pokemon apple, and mario party 18.

Also final fantasy, and let me get to my next point, the GBA was nintendo's moneymaker anyways.

Crash was cool.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
And considering that Microsoft bought both Bungie and Rare (Assuming Rare actually makes another game.

Rare had killer instinct, bungie has halo.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
They sure do like to sit on their hands) plus the success of Halo II, they are a big hitter with a large bank account behind them.

Halo was the same old thing, like many games, but the popularity overrated it, so when games came out in Halo/halflife season, they were underrated and underlooked.

We don't want to go into sales do we?

Originally posted by Deus Ex
And Nintendo has buried bigger competitors than Sony.

Like what, sega?

No sony buried sega, and nintendo may be on that road.

Funny thing is sega was what I grew up playing, and is still my favorite.

Originally posted by Deus Ex
I personally wouldn't invest in a PS III, end of rant.

No problem, but just be a little objective in your arguments... 😉

A couple of questions:

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

The Gamecube didn't have to many breathtaking, revolutionary titles at all, metriod prime, and the resident evil, where the games people were bragging about.

Other games just appealed to long time fans, make a shitty zelda, and the people will still buy it.

I wonder if you're by implication saying the PS2 DID have many breathtaking, revolutionary titles- what would you say those were?

I don't think there are any 'shitty' Zeldas as well, so we can't really speculate on that.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Let me see, why did capcom vs snk 2 have to install extra controller options for the GC and Xbox, oh wait, dont tell me.

You could never play hardcore streetfighter alpha three, and do the advanced motions with ease, the dpad is miniscule, and moves too much, it feels cheap.

This just means the PS controller is best for those type of games though. Personally I think the SF style controls are outdated.

If you play any games which require precise analog movement, like Tiger Woods, or Max Payne blood lines bit, the character movements are about as predictable as an epileptic in a strobe light shop.

Actually that leads onto a whole other double analog debate, nevermind.

Anyway- what do you feel were the 'breathtaking, revolutionary' PS2 games?

(Apparently I only had one actual question)

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
A couple of questions:

I wonder if you're by implication saying the PS2 DID have many breathtaking, revolutionary titles- what would you say those were?

I don't think there are any 'shitty' Zeldas as well, so we can't really speculate on that.

Sure, let me clear that up.

It was more or less a satire against a comment about games, there were no bad zelda games to date, and I hope there won't be one, but I was implying more or less the fanboys who will buy one regardless.

As for breathtaking, you are asking the wrong person, I have an offbeat taste, you may want to ask draco.

Street fighter controllers were fine, I still appreciate them. You have depth and strength of attacks that add strategy into the game, unlike the button mashers you'll see today (mortal kombat I'm looking at you here).

The button setup was spry and fluid, allowing a combination of moves to be used, it wasn't for the rookies, but is preferred by the experts.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Sure, let me clear that up.

It was more or less a satire against a comment about games, there were no bad zelda games to date, and I hope there won't be one, but I was implying more or less the fanboys who will buy one regardless.

I guess we'll never know til they **** one up.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

Street fighter controllers were fine, I still appreciate them. You have depth and strength of attacks that add strategy into the game, unlike the button mashers you'll see today (mortal kombat I'm looking at you here).

The button setup was spry and fluid, allowing a combination of moves to be used, it wasn't for the rookies, but is preferred by the experts.

I always preferred Tekken. (Which is one of the two games I prefer the PS2 controller for, the other being PES)

Tekken fan, who do you play as?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Tekken fan, who do you play as?

I don't really have a specific guy. I use a few. King, Heihachi, Paul, mostly I suppose.

You?

*ignore this*

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I don't really have a specific guy. I use a few. King, Heihachi, Paul, mostly I suppose.

You?

I used the same guys myself.

I had always been more of a street fighter fan, or crossover fan.

What shooters do you play then?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I used the same guys myself.

I had always been more of a street fighter fan, or crossover fan.

What shooters do you play then?

I'm still devoted to the N64 Rare ones- haven't been beaten for me.

Halo was overrated to Hell. I didn't mind Half Life but I'm waiting for PD0 I suppose.

Metroid if you can call it one. Timesplitters I quite liked.

I agree with you so much its not funny.

Halo is solid, but alot of polish, whilst Half Life is innovative, but a tad easy.

I am a big timesplitters fan, but I like redfaction, killzone, and of course duke nukem, I can't hate the duke.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I agree with you so much its not funny.

Halo is solid, but alot of polish, whilst Half Life is innovative, but a tad easy.

I am a big timesplitters fan, but I like redfaction, killzone, and of course duke nukem, I can't hate the duke.

Wasn't keen on Red Faction- yet to play Duke Nukem actually.

Really!?!?

Its a bit old now, you may find it hard to get into, but 3d was a blast.

Why no love for red faction?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Really!?!?

Its a bit old now, you may find it hard to get into, but 3d was a blast.

Why no love for red faction?

I've seen it played and stuff, just never had a go.

Red Faction (1) I bought, I found it a bit formulaic.

I hold everything up against Perfect Dark though.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
I've seen it played and stuff, just never had a go.

Red Faction (1) I bought, I found it a bit formulaic.

I hold everything up against Perfect Dark though.

I have never played perfect dark, but it was perhaps the best game on N64 no?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I have never played perfect dark, but it was perhaps the best game on N64 no?

Probably. Maybe Zelda.

You're missing out man.

Someone took the time to dissect a post I really didn't even think twice about while typing.

No problem, lets do that then.

Indeed, let's.


Its a good system, but the current ones have been less impressive, and the N64 was less impressive than the playstation.

True. However N64 had its own set of advantages over the PS, such as a better analog stick, no load times, lots of party games, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, etc. Not much, but enough to consider buying an N64 certainly.


Anyways, the SNES was better, but in this day and age, the ideas may be getting less and less appealing, for the growing ages.

SNES was a time of innovation. Nowadays it's all about pushing up dates and making money without substance. It's that simple. You will never see another system with the overall quality of the SNES and its games.


SNES WAS the best nintendo system, I agree 100%.

Most people do.


Thats when there were only 2 major consoles, and the nintendo didn't whore first party titles all the time, there were alot of interesting games to play.

Genesis was still a notch better IMO.

Nintendo had the monopoly on third party games because they have been out since 1983 and by 1988 where the biggest name in console gaming, outstripping Atari, Sega Master System, and even some arcades all at the same time. Naturally, they had all the third party support in the world. When Nintendo put restrictions on how many games per year a company could make, many made ghost companies like Konami's Ultra, which made more games in their stead. If Nintendo hadn't nabbed all the third party support and featured it all under one banner and title, you wouldn't have as big a fanbase nor as big a business in console games. Nintendo's stranglehold seems almost tyrannical in retrospect, but tipped off a home entertainment revolution.

And I still like Genesis, but its sound was inferior to the SNES and it had maybe twenty worthwhile games in well over five or six years of making titles.


Capable?

Reiterate capable, because capable is too loose a term, alot of things are capable.

Saddam is Capable of being free, but nevermind.

You sure picked the silliest thing to get hung up over. I didn't think half a second when I typed capable. I suggest you don't think too long over it either. It's not gonna make or break my post, which was mostly opinion anyways. Kinda just like yours.


The Gamecube didn't have to many breathtaking, revolutionary titles at all, metriod prime, and the resident evil, where the games people were bragging about.

Define breathtaking? Revolutionary? I don't know where you went off on this for, but you just nitpicked me for using capable and then you toss around breathtaking and revolutionary like it's common knowledge and not subject to interpretation.

To answer your question, I wasn't even arguing that GC did make such titles, although to be fair the Resident Evil series is incredible in all aspects and is one of the reasons Nintendo is surviving.


Other games just appealed to long time fans, make a shitty zelda, and the people will still buy it.

That applies to Playstation, too. In a poll done by a gaming magazine, more than a third of the people who wanted a PS II when it came out chose it over other systems because they felt no one else had the third party support. This includes trickle down titles made buy companies that used to ally with Nintendo and Sega, like Konami, Capcom, etc. This resulted in a series of games that appeal to longterm fans of both the genres and the companies themselves. And even when they are shitty, people still buy them.


Controller is good for the first party titles you play, not much else.

It was poor for fighting games, and decent for shooters, the buttons were all over the place, the size of them was different.

I don't care about the "cooL" arcade look of my controller, I need a balanced one that functions.

And fighting games are a mere fraction of the different styles of gameplay available. Why keep a controller to appease fighting game fans when it's totally unwieldy for anything else? And who is talking about a cool arcade look of a controller? Not me.


Playstation did have their hardware problems, and I was the blessed to have one that didn't.

Blessed would be an understatement. You have a better chance of getting hit by a train after following out of a window in a barn in Iceland than you do finding a well-made Playstation.


Remember that it was the oldest system, and was out before the others though.

True, and I was going to bring this up but it's still not an excuse. Sega Dreamcast was a heavier hitter in graphics and whatnot and it was well ebfore PS II's time.


Controller is the best, not too big, not too small, and no stupid "gimmicky" buttons, you had buttons that were symmetric and the same size.

Parallel.

Easy to relate to the position, and play accordingly within a short time.

This is your opinion, of course. But some people (especially children) have small hands. I grew up with a Nintendo controller. Back then, my thumbs couldn't reach to touch one another in the center. Now, I can palm the entire controller. If anything, the PS controller strikes me as being horribly inadequate. I can use a Gamecube controller easily after only having the system for a week (Just bought one actually) and I used the Duke (Large ass protocontroller) for the Xbox for years, and I still prefer it over the S-model which I think is for PS fanboys and whiners who haven't reached past puberty.

But when it comes to making a standard controller for a system, it's a gamble. PSII controllers aren't in my opinion the way of future gaming, and they should be left behind in the dust.


GC had a decent analog, sony was the analog system, the ps2 controller had nice quality to it, like the logitech.

The GC controller felt somewhat cheap.

Yes, it did feel cheap. I agree. And the GC analog is touchy. The PS II one is worse, and I wouldn't use Logitech as a good example since I have several logictech controllers for PC and their analog is touchy and frustrating to work with. The best analogs I have seen in gaming history would be the N64 controller and the Duke for Xbox. They gave adequate resistance so you don't feel like you're trying to pin the tail on the jetplane with every motion.


Archaic, moronic?

A controller isn't a gimmick, its a controller, its not about looks, its about efficiency.

Fighting games and others worked best on it hands down.

Let me see, why did capcom vs snk 2 have to install extra controller options for the GC and Xbox, oh wait, dont tell me.

You could never play hardcore streetfighter alpha three, and do the advanced motions with ease, the dpad is miniscule, and moves too much, it feels cheap.

Playstation controller works fine, I hope it doesn't go for gimmick, but it really doesn't need to.

Why are you so hung up on gimmicks? Then you talk efficiency. The PS II controller is ONLY efficient for simple RPGs which involve next to no action and fighting games because of the importance of reliable cross pads and buttons. It's terrible to use with the analogs, and there simply aren't enough buttons in the long run to do anything but the most rudimentary of actions with. Tack that on to a system that is cheaply made (Not "before other systems", cheap. It breaks easily) which pumps out more titles of blah-quality than Tom Clancy does special ops novels, and mind you this system is for all intents and purposes inferior to the other two competitors, and you have a piece of crap. Why you would want to keep it on life support is beyond me.


I could counter this with the "kiddy" games logic, but I'm not.

What games?

Max Paine, GTA, Beyond good and evil, ?

Playstation had games for all ages and people, and the taste varied, because nintendo had very little third party support, just many games that appealed to long time fans of the system.

Though Tales of Symphonia was nice.

Xbox just had halo.

Wow, talk about biased.

Playstation does have games for all ages and all people. So do GC and Xbox, and hell, even Atari. But quantity should not overcome quality. And Max Paine, GTA, and Beyond Good and Evil exist on other platforms and perform much better there.

And if you think that Halo is all xbox has, you obviously only have a Playstation II. Actually, from what I've gathered from your entire post, you must not have a GC or an Xbox at all. I'd be surprised if you played more than a game or two for each, even.


All xbox is was specs, it was little else.

Gamers aren't graphic whores yet, hence, playstation having the worst specs and still winning.

All specs, eh? Uh huh. Spoken like a true Sonyitarian.


I thought you didn't like arguing from ignorance, the other systems will rely on celebrities and fanboys to sell and advertise at E3 like they had in the past.

Playstation just used developers.

You are the one talking ignorance here, son. Playstation used half naked Japanese dancers at the last E3. But then, did you even see it? I don't think so. Don't try to say that other systems rely on such methods when they all do. I know you're biased, by try to hide it a bit, okay?