the 100ton class limit is really stupid

Originally posted by Mindship
I definitely see your point. The fluctuations and inconsistencies are absurd. That's why I went for broad ranges ("Kiloton" Class, "Megaton" Class), hoping to cover all/most feats. Yet, some inconsistencies are so broad, that only indefinite terms like "Incalculable" or "Immeasurable" may apply. However, it is also the very vagueness of those terms which makes it difficult to compare/rank characters via their profiles (which, for example, would be stronger: Immeasurable or Incalculable? Seems like a subjective call: it's whatever we want it to be).

There are advantages/disadvantages either way. Thanks for the feedback.

My last strength system didn't allocate any numerical limits, but described strength levels as 'potential lifting ability' aswell as the amount of energy the character can utilize to enhance strength. 🙂

Superman: Gigaton level or Incalculable? 😉

Originally posted by Mindship
Superman: Gigaton level or Incalculable? 😉

Superman = Level 10 Immeasurable (He has access to in exhaustible power source to increase strength)

Thor =Level 9 Incalculable (Has yet to show limits, can potentially lift anything earth based)

Namor = Level 7 Heavy Weight (Has known limits, but can lift in excess of 100 tons)

Iron Man = Level 8 Heavy Weight immeasurable (Has Heavy weight strength, but can increase strength to unknown limits for short periods of time.)

🙂

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Superman = Level 10 Immeasurable (He has access to in exhaustible power source to increase strength)
Thor =Level 9 Incalculable (Has yet to show limits, can potentially lift anything earth based)
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Immeasurable > Incalculable

Superman > Thor

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Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Superman = Level 10 Immeasurable (He has access to in exhaustible power source to increase strength)

Thor =Level 9 Incalculable (Has yet to show limits, can potentially lift anything earth based)

Namor = Level 7 Heavy Weight (Has known limits, but can lift in excess of 100 tons)

Iron Man = Level 8 Heavy Weight immeasurable (Has Heavy weight strength, but can increase strength to unknown limits for short periods of time.)

🙂

Originally posted by Rewmac
If Thor is that strong then how strong is Juggernaut, who owned Thor easily 😄

In the same category, but lower down. He's yet to show limits, and he's widely regarded as stronger than Namor, whse at the top of level 7. (Heavy weights.)

Level 6 = Middle Weights - Around 100 tons
Level 7 = Heavy Weights - Far beyond 100 tons
Level 8 = Hevay Weight Inncalcuable -Can increase strength to Incaluable for short periods
Level 9 = Inncalcuable - Has yet to show limits
Level 10 = Immeasurable. - In exhaustible power source increasing strength

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Juggernaut hasn't shown limits...Never had to make an effort...According to the comics I have and the Handbooks (4). Juggernaut hasn't shown his limits yet...

Originally posted by Rewmac
Juggernaut hasn't shown limits...Never had to make an effort...According to the comics I have and the Handbooks (4). Juggernaut hasn't shown his limits yet...

I'm pretty sure you've just reiterated my original point ? 😕

What do you mean?? I'm not attackin' or something like that 😄😄😄

Originally posted by Rewmac
What do you mean?? I'm not attackin' or something like that 😄😄😄

Reiterate means to repeat ! 🙄

Level 6 = Middle Weights - Around 100 tons
Level 7 = Heavy Weights - Far beyond 100 tons
Level 8 = Heavy Weight Incalculable -Can increase strength to Incaluable for short periods
Level 9 = Incalculable - Has yet to show limits
Level 10 = Immeasurable. - In exhaustible power source increasing strength

So...from "around 100 tons" we jump to "far beyond 100 tons" (?) to Incalculable/Immeasurable (??). Could we not delineate just a tad? This is what I was hoping to accomplish with my 2-cents worth.
Forsooth...
6. Heavy Weight = 100 - 1000 tons.
7. Kiloton level = a thousand to a near-million tons
8. Megaton level = a million to a near-billion tons
9. Gigaton level = billion tons or more; has yet to show limits
10. Immeasurable = inexhaustibly increasing strength
The ranges are broad and satisfies fans' desires for at least ballpark numbers/tonnage.

Well, can't blame me for trying.
whistling

Originally posted by Mindship
So...from "around 100 tons" we jump to "far beyond 100 tons" (?) to Incalculable/Immeasurable (??). Could we not delineate just a tad? This is what I was hoping to accomplish with my 2-cents worth.
Forsooth...
6. Heavy Weight = 100 - 1000 tons.
7. Kiloton level = a thousand to a near-million tons
8. Megaton level = a million to a near-billion tons
9. Gigaton level = billion tons or more; has yet to show limits
10. Immeasurable = inexhaustibly increasing strength
The ranges are broad and satisfies fans' desires for at least ballpark numbers/tonnage.

Well, can't blame me for trying.
whistling

So where would you put the following :

Juggernaut
Doomsday
The Shaggyman
Mangog
Ulik
Abomination
Solomon Grundy
Orion
Darksied

All of these guys have limited energy access, but have not shown any lifting feats.

Where would you put Thor and Wonder Woman, their best lifting feats are objects with ambiguous weight ?

Can you now see the problem now of using a quantifiable statistical system. 🙂

Originally posted by Doctor SKank
So where would you put the following :

Juggernaut
Doomsday
The Shaggyman
Mangog
Ulik
Abomination
Solomon Grundy
Orion
Darksied

All of these guys have limited energy access, but have not shown any lifting feats.

Where would you put Thor and Wonder Woman, their best lifting feats are objects with ambiguous weight ?

Can you now see the problem now of using a quantifiable statistical system. 🙂

Aye, lad. But I'm up to the challenge. flex

Now I'm not familiar with all the characters you mentioned. In any event, I'm gonna base my estimates on 1) whatever they've actually lifted (from my own research I am fairly familiar with what certain objects weigh); and 2) how well their strength has matched up against opponents who have done some heavy lifting. Plus, I'll throw in a few characters of my own.

Immeasurable: Galactus, Celestials, Darkseid (not sure with him; maybe Gigaton Level).
Gigaton Level: Superman, Thor, Wonder Woman, Doomsday, Mangog, Orion.
Megaton Level: Juggernaut. I'm not making him Gigaton cuz much of his formidability comes from his invulnerability. Again, I'm not that familiar with him, but I don't believe he's done any kind of "mountain lifting." Also Grundy, though again I am not that familiar with him. He could be Kiloton Level.
Heavy Weight: Abomination.

IMO, even without using numbers, it would still be hard to rank certain characters, relative to each other, due to the broad range of strength depiction (eg, Grundy has fought Batman, and lost, and fought Superman).

Originally posted by Doctor SKank
Reiterate means to repeat ! 🙄

Yeah it is because anyone who is listen can lift 100 tons can easily take on Superman Hulk or Doomsday or anybody by that strength level some stupid people like Golem 370