Brokeback Mountain

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I haven't condemn the film. I even acknowledge that I haven't seen it and waiting for DVD. My only observation was the two characters look too handsome to look like rough cowboys. You said "I know it holds no water, it was done on purpose to expose that your initial statement also holds no water and is not a valid or reasonable statement against the movie." Since when do you use a negative statement to prove another negative statement?

Your bottom line is correct and at the same time way off. Yes, one must see the film before critize it. However, one can make certain observations (and possibly critique) prior to watching the film. Date Movie rings a bell? Saw the trailer...looks painfully unfunny....so and so.

These aren't the type of cowboys similar to Eastwood though. They're not gunslining rebels going around killing. They're just two young men from Texas and Wyoming. They happen to wear cowboys hats because it's the style, and they take on "cowboy like jobs" because it's what's available to them and it's what they know. They aren't "rough cowboys".

I used my statement about batman to put into perspective the silliness of your complaint. It simply wouldn't make a lick of sense for them to be ugly and obese, just as it wouldn't for Batman. There wouldn't be a physical attraction between them if they were both fat and obese. Also, what would the point of them being ugly and obese be?

Some observations can be made about a film prior to watching it. Such as a critique of the basic subject matter (as I did with Date Movie). One thing that can't be critiqued is something as important as the validity of the characters. You can't judge a character based on a trailer because you don't know the circumstances of the character. This is one such case, you say it doesn't make sense that the characters in the film look the way they do, when in actuality it wouldn't make sense for them to look any other way. Which is made glaringly obvious when you watch the movie.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'm sure that was Ang Lee's intention, but it just ended up a gimmick to kick up shit and stir controversy.

Are you gay, BackFire? Just wondering, because of your elaborate posts defending the movie and your username; "back" and "fire".

Trust me, He's straight.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'm sure that was Ang Lee's intention, but it just ended up a gimmick to kick up shit and stir controversy.

Are you gay, BackFire? Just wondering, because of your elaborate posts defending the movie and your username; "back" and "fire".

A gimmick to some, mostly to people who haven't seen the movie. Again, they have no credibility. Besides, that's not the fault of the film, it wasn't meant to be controversial, it didn't have an agenda. It just set out to tell a beautiful story, and it did. People created the agenda after seeing the movie and many people, strangely enough, took away something that wasn't even there. It didn't glorify homosexuality, it didn't condemn it, it just showed it, honestly, and truthfully.

I'm not gay. I love the vag. Though, this questions brings to mind one of the most interesting things having to do with this movie. People's strange idea that the people who like this movie are gay. Would you assume someone who watches movies involving serial killers to be a serial killer themselves? Would you think that anyone who likes American History X to be a racist? Would you think that anyone who likes Finding Nemo is a fish?

Originally posted by BackFire
There is an anal sex scene, and some people are taken aback by it. But it's short and mostly implied. They keep the camera above the waist most of the time, and when it does drop below the waist it's in a position in which nothing really can be seen.

Uh-Oh, thats done for me

Originally posted by BackFire
Would you assume someone who watches movies involving serial killers to be a serial killer themselves? Would you think that anyone who likes American History X to be a racist? Would you think that anyone who likes Finding Nemo is a fish?

If you like The Lord of the rings, are you a ring? 😐

If you like king kong, are you a huge Gorilla?

Originally posted by BackFire
They're just two young men from Texas and Wyoming. They happen to wear cowboys hats because it's the style, and they take on "cowboy like jobs" because it's what's available to them and it's what they know. They aren't "rough cowboys".

Would it be fair to call them "poser-cowboys" then? They only into the fashion just to look like something that they're not. That's not something new. Unless they're using that look to get a job. That I can understand.

Originally posted by BackFire
I used my statement about batman to put into perspective the silliness of your complaint. It simply wouldn't make a lick of sense for them to be ugly and obese, just as it wouldn't for Batman. There wouldn't be a physical attraction between them if they were both fat and obese. Also, what would the point of them being ugly and obese be?

It wasn't a complain BF. Just a comment. But how do you know there wouldn't be a physical attraction between them if they were both fat and obese? You dug too deep into the characters to know this while watching the movie? That's quite a psychology there....

Ugly and Obese was just another way of saying "Unattractive".

Originally posted by BackFire
Some observations can be made about a film prior to watching it. Such as a critique of the basic subject matter (as I did with Date Movie). One thing that can't be critiqued is something as important as the validity of the characters. You can't judge a character based on a trailer because you don't know the circumstances of the character. This is one such case, you say it doesn't make sense that the characters in the film look the way they do, when in actuality it wouldn't make sense for them to look any other way. Which is made glaringly obvious when you watch the movie.

I haven't question the validity of the characters. I only merely made the observation base on my opinion that they look too good looking. My main objective was the way the film looks to me prior to watching it. Haven't judge the characters....just their looks.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
Uh-Oh, thats done for me

Yeah, no kidding.

Weren't the main characters married with kids? At what point/ what made them all of the sudden decide to become pickle-kissers?

Would it be fair to call them "poser-cowboys" then? They only into the fashion just to look like something that they're not. That's not something new. Unless they're using that look to get a job. That I can understand.

Nah, they're not really poser cowboys, they're not just doing it for the fashion reasons. It's the style wear they live, too them it's just the normal way to dress and act. They've been raised in that way, to embrace their culture and what not. Again, they're not the average "rough cowboy", they aren't trying to be, and they're not even trying to be cowboys in the movie.

It wasn't a complain BF. Just a comment. But how do you know there wouldn't be a physical attraction between them if they were both fat and obese? You dug too deep into the characters to know this while watching the movie? That's quite a psychology there....

Ugly and Obese was just another way of saying "Unattractive".

It's just common sense, there wouldn't be a physical attraction. Also, again I ask, what would be the point of making them unattractive? If anything, that would be a far more obvious gimmick than having them just be two nice looking young men. It would in the end hurt the movie, they're the way they are for a reason, and it makes sense for them to look how they look when you watch the film.

I haven't question the validity of the characters. I only merely made the observation base on my opinion that they look too good looking. My main objective was the way the film looks to me prior to watching it. Haven't judge the characters....just their looks.

Yes, but that judgement on their looks is very premature and is based on their characters. Their looks fit their characters very well. Changing them to look unattractive for no real reason would hurt the film very much.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Weren't the main characters married with kids? At what point/ what made them all of the sudden decide to become pickle-kissers?

I've heard reports that watching 'Brokeback Mountain' turns you.........gay. It's all part of a gay conspiracy that is intent on turning the world upside-down. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Are you gay, Quiero Mota? Just wondering because you're so interested in this gay-making movie and the phonetic sound of your username; 'Queer-o.

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
I've heard reports that watching 'Brokeback Mountain' turns you.........gay. It's all part of a gay conspiracy that is intent on turning the world upside-down. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Are you gay, Quiero Mota? Just wondering because you're so interested in this gay-making movie and the phonetic sound of your username; 'Queer-o.

No I'm not gay. This movie stirkes me in an odd/negative way, because as a Mexican and an Arizonan, the Western culture has deep roots in my history. And a movie about 2 gay rangers is unprecidented. Like I said, you'd never see John Wayne or Eastwood in that movie. I'm sure most people from Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas share my sentiment. I have a felling this movie was made for people back East, who aren't very knowledgable about Western culture and ways.

And that was a poor attempt at an insult. You can't compare/correlate Spanish words with goofy American slang. Say that to me in person and I'll b*tch slap you, ese.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No I'm not gay. This movie stirkes me in an odd/negative way, because as a Mexican and an Arizonan, the Western culture has deep roots in my history. And a movie about 2 gay rangers is unprecidented. Like I said, you'd never see John Wayne or Eastwood in that movie. I'm sure most people from Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas share my sentiment. I have a felling this movie was made for people back East, who aren't very knowledgable about Western culture and ways.

And that was a poor attempt at an insult. You can't compare/correlate Spanish words with goofy American slang. Say that to me in person and I'll b*tch slap you, ese.

Dude, it takes place in Wyoming. That's like 1000 miles from Arizona. Also, do you really think other people from Arizona, New Mexico, and texas share your sentiment of hatred towards gays. Are you seriously saying most people in the south west hate gays and take offense over a movie about some gay guys?I don't see why this movie strikes you in a negative way because it is about gay people.

Oh and yeah you wouldn't find Eastwood or Wayne in a movie like this because Wayne is dead, and Eastwood is like 78. When they were younger being gay was too much of a taboo for them to make a movie about it. It's not that they're more "manly" (by your definition, this meanss insecure).

Originally posted by Rapscallion
[B]Dude, it takes place in Wyoming. That's like 1000 miles from Arizona. Also, do you really think other people from Arizona, New Mexico, and texas share your sentiment of hatred towards gays. [B]

No not "hatred" not even close. I'm reffering to a Western themed movie about gays. Its just wierd and un-western like. Wyoming is farther north and less cowboy than AZ and NM.

Even if it wasnt taboo, the Duke nor Eastwood would never do it. I'm willing to bet money that. Three sentences into the script, and they'd trash it.

They aren't meant to represent western culture, it's not their purpose in the film. They just happen to live there, in a culture that doesn't understand/respect their feelings.

Originally posted by BackFire
They aren't meant to represent western culture, it's not their purpose in the film. They just happen to live there, in a culture that doesn't understand/respect their feelings.

It would be pretty funny if this movie was based on a true story

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No I'm not gay. This movie stirkes me in an odd/negative way, because as a Mexican and an Arizonan, the Western culture has deep roots in my history. And a movie about 2 gay rangers is unprecidented. Like I said, you'd never see John Wayne or Eastwood in that movie. I'm sure most people from Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas share my sentiment. I have a felling this movie was made for people back East, who aren't very knowledgable about Western culture and ways.

How can you approximate the validity of an opinion that is lacking in a basis of experience? The setting of the movie is not a reflection of the relationship between the two men.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And that was a poor attempt at an insult. You can't compare/correlate Spanish words with goofy American slang. Say that to me in person and I'll b*tch slap you, ese.

Chill, hombre. Me no mean to make yo' loco, ese. I was just wondering about the meaning of your username, s'all. Although, of course you can correlate different languages. That's how translations are made. With the phonetic sound of 'Quiero', I just thought you were playing on being Hispanic and gay. No offense intended.

If you b*tch slap me, then I'll spank your botty, you naughty boy!

Gay cowboys aren't an accurate representation of Western culture? Wanna see every action/kung-fu/martial-arts Chinese film every made? Those films don't represent Chinese culture at all.

It was just two gay men who happened to live in Wyoming. That's it.

Cant wait to see it 😄
I've been waiting for someone to make such movie 😉

Originally posted by BackFire
There is an anal sex scene, and some people are taken aback by it. But it's short and mostly implied. They keep the camera above the waist most of the time, and when it does drop below the waist it's in a position in which nothing really can be seen.

I wasn't taken aback because I knew there would be a scene between the two actors. I was expecting it to be more graphic, it was almost boring.

it's only offensive if they were not having safe sex with a well lubricated, trojan brand (and no other brand), latex condom, and laminated pants.

irrespective you think,but it can't show in china!