Originally posted by WynndarThat's a nice list. But imo just listing FF adversaries isn't really a conclusive argument. Imo Colossus is stronger, but for all intents and purposes they are essentially equal in strength. Colossus is definitely more durable. Colossus is imo faster and more agile. Has more endurance considering he doesn't have to eat, breathe, drink etc in armoured form. The entire Thing argument seems to hinge on his experience and the fact that he has "heart".
The "made of Rage" thing is getting old. Sorry to forget about the whole legacy virus sacrafice...But i was refering to bravery on the battle field. Colossus has a lot of heart too. But the Thing is the quintessential determined character. Saying Colossus would beat the Thing isnt that convincing. Colossus is an X-Man...He's a mutant crime fighter. He's had a good showing against Juggernaut. Thats about it. Things gone up against:Like I said...Colossus is great. But to say that he outmatches Thing because of experiecnce from running around with Wolverine as a teen is kinda unimpressive. Colossus probably has some tough guys he's gone against that Im forgetting...Im a Thing fan though so Im going to defend his side. I dont expect u to be convinced by my argument
Originally posted by wolverine8888Uh.. I wrote "considering Colossus doesn't need food etc" as a way of indicating what I meant by endurance. Whereas you're referring to the "heart" definition of endurance, which I also referred to.
actauly ur wrong abotu stamina food has nuthign to do with it thing actauly has more stamina so if it came down to who can fight the longest he wins
Both Colossus and Thing beat Captain America.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's a nice list. But imo just listing FF adversaries isn't really a conclusive argument. Imo Colossus is stronger, but for all intents and purposes they are essentially equal in strength. Colossus is definitely more durable. Colossus is imo faster and more agile. Has more endurance considering he doesn't have to eat, breathe, drink etc in armoured form. The entire Thing argument seems to hinge on his experience and the fact that he has "heart".
Colossus does have skills and experience, regardless of how unimpressive you think it is and try to make it sound, considering he has been trained in martial arts and has been an X-Man since he was in his teens, and he's also arguably more inclined to use his head in a fight. As for bravery, I don't see how there's a difference on or off the battlefield. The courage to sacrifice your life to save others is still the courage to sacrifice your life to save others on or off a battlefield. Of course I don't expect my argument to convince you either.
No I was listing people he had fought one on one...with the exception of Thanos who he fought with Thor and was quickly KTFO. Thing has superhuman Speed. He even mentions it in this last month's issue of Marvel knights 4. He has also ran down the Rhino. Using their heads on the battlefield? U know Thing was a pretty competent leader of the F4 for several years? He is resourceful enough to out fight teams of people, i.e. when he put it down on the whole Avengers. I will give it to colossus in Agility, he's always doing summersualts...when Thing jumps around i think he's made to look a little more masculine. And i wasnt trying to downplay Colossus sacrificing his life. But I simply forgot that instance considering it wasnt in a fight...it was very admirable.
BTW Ben Grimm charging Galactus with a big sharp piece of metal wasnt stupid, Galactus was going to consume the Earth immediately afterward and the Grimm was desperate to do anything to stop him and save Colossus, the X-Men, and the rest of the world.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's a nice list. But imo just listing FF adversaries isn't really a conclusive argument. Imo Colossus is stronger, but for all intents and purposes they are essentially equal in strength. Colossus is definitely more durable. Colossus is imo faster and more agile. Has more endurance considering he doesn't have to eat, breathe, drink etc in armoured form. The entire Thing argument seems to hinge on his experience and the fact that he has "heart".
Colossus does have skills and experience, regardless of how unimpressive you think it is and try to make it sound, considering he has been trained in martial arts and has been an X-Man since he was in his teens, and he's also arguably more inclined to use his head in a fight. As for bravery, I don't see how there's a difference on or off the battlefield. The courage to sacrifice your life to save others is still the courage to sacrifice your life to save others on or off a battlefield. Of course I don't expect my argument to convince you either.
I know, I know. It's difficult trying to convince some people.
To answer wolverine8888's statement, Colossus does indeed have more stamina and endurance. In fact, for all intents and purposes (sorry to steal your line there, Xmarks, heh), Colossus can pretty much keep on fighting as long as he wants to.
Can't say the same for Thing. Since Thing still needs to EAT, BREATHE, AND DRINK. Colossus doesn't require any of these.
Much more durable than Thing, pretty much nigh-invulnerable really. There's nothing Thing could do to really hurt Colossus in the slightest. While there are many things that Colossus could do.
Like Xmarks said, Colussus has become quite the skilled fighter over the years, training in several forms of martial arts, and also training with both Cyclops and Wolverine (personally, I'd prefer Cyclops's teachings). He's far more agile and quick than the Thing could ever hope to be. As well as superhuman speed. I'm not just making that up. Colossus also has superhuman speed. Just looks like nothing compared to real speedsters. He has demonstrated quite the intellect both on and off the battlefield. He hardly ever just charges into a fight, fist flying, like some orange rocky characters I know.
And yea. I'll say it. Colossus is stronger.
And the only reason that Thing has so many more fights, is well, because he's one of four. While Colossus is one of well...a crapload. They just don't focus on him the same way that Thing is, since Thing is a major character in the Fantastic Four. If the X-men were chopped down to four people and Colossus was one of them, believe you me. Colossus would have far more impressive showings as well.
Basically what I'm trying to say is...Colossus stomps Captain America.
Literally.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Sasquatch and THing fought to a standstill when Thing could barely lift 5 tons. Later on Thing proved to do way better than Sassy against the Champion. Then in infinity wars Sasquatch admitted himself that he was no match for the Thing.
Not really, Sasquatch had this and he didn't even want to fight. He was originally 100 class range, way higher than Thing and still is, but his base is around 70-80 tons but when he gets enraged look out.
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Him saying he was no match for Thing is true in his base strength, but when he gets enraged and lets Tanaraq get control or goes into instinct mode he is right back up to high class 100 range.
Colossus beat Sasquatch with Judo, by using Sas's strength against him. That showed he was a better fighter rather than a stronger one. Walter really didn't have a grasp on his Sas power's yet, so a rematch Sas would win[that issue he was showed 100 class range strength].
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I know, I know. It's difficult trying to convince some people.To answer wolverine8888's statement, Colossus does indeed have more stamina and endurance. In fact, for all intents and purposes (sorry to steal your line there, Xmarks, heh), Colossus can pretty much keep on fighting as long as he wants to.
Can't say the same for Thing. Since Thing still needs to EAT, BREATHE, AND DRINK. Colossus doesn't require any of these.
Much more durable than Thing, pretty much nigh-invulnerable really. There's nothing Thing could do to really hurt Colossus in the slightest. While there are many things that Colossus could do.
Like Xmarks said, Colussus has become quite the skilled fighter over the years, training in several forms of martial arts, and also training with both Cyclops and Wolverine (personally, I'd prefer Cyclops's teachings). He's far more agile and quick than the Thing could ever hope to be. As well as superhuman speed. I'm not just making that up. Colossus also has superhuman speed. Just looks like nothing compared to real speedsters. He has demonstrated quite the intellect both on and off the battlefield. He hardly ever just charges into a fight, fist flying, like some orange rocky characters I know.
And yea. I'll say it. Colossus is stronger.
And the only reason that Thing has so many more fights, is well, because he's one of four. While Colossus is one of well...a crapload. They just don't focus on him the same way that Thing is, since Thing is a major character in the Fantastic Four. If the X-men were chopped down to four people and Colossus was one of them, believe you me. Colossus would have far more impressive showings as well.
Basically what I'm trying to say is...Colossus stomps Captain America.
Literally.
Hehehe...good post metalmax I agree with a lot that u've said. Colossus has incredible stmania. But Im pretty sure he has demonstrated fatigue. He is also a great fighter and has demonstrated strategy. Im not saying he cant mount a strategy. But I think Thing is more proficient considering he has actually been the leader of the FF, a team that relies on strategy more than just about anyone. Colossus may have superhuman speed. But Thing certainly does also. I dont know how to prove which one is faster, but Thing has run down the Rhino who can run at over 150 mph. Same thing as to whihc one is stronger. Thing is bigger and has more feats of strength. But a lot of people speculate Colossus is just as strong if not stronger....but I cant tell if this is based on anything other than their personal beleifs. And my point isnt that Thing has fought more people. They have both fought tons of people...but Thing fights qualitatively more impressive opponents. We can make a list of people Colossus has fought...but it will include people like Sunder, the Brood, the marauders...etc. while Thing's includes Occulus, Terrax, and the Wrecker.
Thing appears stronger to me. How many times has he lifted enormous objects or knocked an opponent or object great distance. Colossus threw Wolverine at Ord's spaceship and Wolverine was impressed. Thing has knocked the 2,750lb Terrax farther than that and launched how many objects into orbit or the upper atmosphere? See what Im saying?
Colossus is not agile enough to hit Cap. He'd never be able to tag him. Since he could never tag Cap, Cap would find a way to use leverage and apply the hurtin on Colossus. For instance, Cap would just dodge side to side and cause Colossus to keep switching his lead foot. After frustrating him, Colossus would trip over himself, and fall over on his face. He'd pick himself up and turn over on his backside and at that point, Cap would jump down and bring his entire weight and strength down on Colossus throat with his shield. We've seen Cap sever Ultron's neck with his shield in Avenger's Dissasembled.
Even if Colossus is of high durability, Cap could in all likelihood dent his neck by hittin his adam's apple. Cap could find several better ways to repeat this and after a while, Colossus would have to change back due to an involuntary reaction or to massage his larynyx, Cap swats his face with a backhand and its over. And before you say he doesn't have to breathe, I haven't seen MU Colossus do away with breathing. Ultimate Colossus, yes, during his submarine rescue. But back when Colossus was an Acolyte and floating around in space, he wore a space suit. If somebody can show me a scan of MU Colossus walking around in water without worrying about breathing or floating in space without breathing, then I will grant that it will be harder for Cap to take him down.
Either way, Danger didn't take out Colossus by raw power, she did it by outthinking him. And Cap's too smart to be taken down by even an above average fighter at best. That shield of his has been thrown and wielded with enough force to knock out the Wrecking Crew and Asgardian villains, and to stagger folks like Ultron and pre-IG Thanos. You think Cap tagging Colossus straight in the eye with his shield wouldn't cause him to stagger? Hell, Ultimate Falcon clearly beat Ultimate Colossus in Ultimate Nightmare.
Wolverine hasn't been able to catch Cap's shield in mid-flight, what makes you think Colossus could do it? Logan gets clonked every friggin time. Cap takes it most of the time by taking advantage of his agility, fighting prowess and equal stamina.
