Superman and wonderwoman towing the moon, which weighs several thousand trillion tons. It just seems a little farcical and joke like. You may as well be reading popeye or mighty mouse. marvel years ago detected that their readership was becoming too sophisticated to accept feats of power that are hard to fit in with known physics. So you rarely get marvel guys lifting buildings anymore. The strength limit is listed as 100 tons or over (if the structral integrity of the object will allow). More realistic (still fanatsy), but you can relate to it more. Please consider that to heft 100 tons is pretty damn amazing
Neither side is stronger than the other. More of the most powerful beings in Marvel are spread throughout the cosmos, where the Silver Surfer calls home, rather than on Earth in the spotlight all the time.
The two companies came along at different times with different styles. DC has a lot of single hero archetypes like Superman, Batman ( his complete opposite), Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern et all. If you had to name the most central characters in Marvel, you would have to say Spider-Man first - who was an original idea, but nowhere near most powerful - followed by Wolverine and the Hulk. Marvel redefined team books with The Fantastic Four and the X-Men. If you argue Superman is DC's central character, the fact he is one of the most powerful but Spider-Man is not is just different company philosophies, not power rankings. Do a checklist, and you could find an opposite number, with comparable power, for most all characters between DC and Marvel.
If Marvel is selling so many X-Men books because of stories of angst, prejudice and human struggle, it's not in their interest to get god-like stories messing with what sells.
When you see a character do something completely over the top every now and then it's okay. But if they're doing something along the lines of lifting something that weighs several trillion tons or moving at 60,000 times the speed of light etc. every single day and issue it can get tedious - it kind of loses it's significance, it's oomph, it's je ne c'est quoi.
DC does tend to give it's most prominent heroes tons of power e.g. MM, he's an uber-TP, shapeshifter, uberstrong, durability, has superspeed, can fly, the abilities to go intangible and invisible, and basically has no exploitable weaknesses anymore. WW, is uberstrong, resistance to TP, resistance to magics, physical durability, can fly, superspeed, enchanted items, and eons of fighting skills, and also has no easily exploitable weaknesses.
There are characters of the same power level in Marvel but they aren't the Spider-Mans, Captain Americas and Wolverines - those most prominent.
Originally posted by Draco69
You're not implementing the TK factor. Holds the object together.And there's nothing sophisticated about dragging an island without it crumbling to pieces under the stress.
sorry my picture of herc was meant to be followed by a rant about how b*llox it is. what is the chain pulling manhattan made of and what is it anchored to? which is why you rarely see this crap in marvel anymore
so ww and supes pulling the moon are now using telekenesis a hurried dc explantion to over come physics problems is a thin plot gimmick. this is a new power foisted on us. I don't read too much dc but has this tk thing ever been outright stated for these characters
the energy required to move the moon's mass (7.4 x 10 to the power of 22 kg 9 that is 74 000 000 000 000 000 000 tonnes) a kilometre is about the equivalent energy of 900 megaton nukes. the problem with this kind of power is it becomes hard to be consistent. there would be no earthly threat to this kind of power a battle between combatants with these power levels would have to be extremely tenative. if they used 1/900 of their energy in 1 go they could destroy a city. we know supes is supposed to hold back but surely not this much . if i only ever used 1 900th of my power the most i could ever lift would be a few ounces
"sorry my picture of herc was meant to be followed by a rant about how b*llox it is. what is the chain pulling manhattan made of and what is it anchored to? which is why you rarely see this crap in marvel anymore"
Made of the same material of the chain Superman used when he tried to help to move Earth.
Originally posted by severance
the energy required to move the moon's mass (7.4 x 10 to the power of 22 kg 9 that is 74 000 000 000 000 000 000 tonnes) a kilometre is about the equivalent energy of 900 megaton nukes. the problem with this kind of power is it becomes hard to be consistent. there would be no earthly threat to this kind of power a battle between combatants with these power levels would have to be extremely tenative. if they used 1/900 of their energy in 1 go they could destroy a city. we know supes is supposed to hold back but surely not this much this much. if i only ever used 1 900th of my power the most i could ever lift would be a few ounces
🙂 Well played mate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im a bit of a statistics man. 🙂 I know it doesn't really make sense does it.
Mate can you work out how much strength would be needed to Lift that 150 Billion ton mountain. 🙂
Originally posted by severance
the energy required to move the moon's mass (7.4 x 10 to the power of 22 kg 9 that is 74 000 000 000 000 000 000 tonnes) a kilometre is about the equivalent energy of 900 megaton nukes. the problem with this kind of power is it becomes hard to be consistent. there would be no earthly threat to this kind of power a battle between combatants with these power levels would have to be extremely tenative. if they used 1/900 of their energy in 1 go they could destroy a city. we know supes is supposed to hold back but surely not this much . if i only ever used 1 900th of my power the most i could ever lift would be a few ounces
explain to me how you know the kinetic energy of a "megaton" nuke?
Is that a one megaton nuke? or is it larger?
can I see your calculation as this is very incomplete and at the moment filed under nice try 🙂
Keep the faith 🙂
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Originally posted by yahman
😆Thats was harsh 🙂
he might be right 😖hifty: but the problem with his hole statement is that he gives no energy production calc or work done calc and as such I doubt it. I hope he proves me wrong - but given the figures he quoted which seem unlikely - I doubt it 🙂
Keep the faith 🙂
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Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
he might be right 😖hifty: but the problem with his hole statement is that he gives no energy production calc or work done calc and as such I doubt it. I hope he proves me wrong - but given the figures he quoted which seem unlikely - I doubt it 🙂Keep the faith 🙂
Stay Whirly 🤘
I know what you mean .... thermal dynamics or something. My knowledge of less wierd physics is pretty limited. 🙂
Originally posted by Whirlysplatt
Its actually simple if you wnow the weight of the moon in Kg convert it to newtons then add a distance and you can work out the work done to move it that far in Joules.Keep the faith 🙂
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I.e Force = mass x acceleration. Its the turning it into joules part, i get lost with.