Okay Wynndar I concede. IW is fast. She's faster than telepathy. She's faster than light. She's the fastest woman alive. She is the speed force.
OR. She creates physical constructs in a process that requires more mental steps than it takes Iceman to use his power, that always acts by the same mechanism, and once formed must manipulate said constructs towards some physical effect that will essentially leave Iceman unharmed.
I'm not going around bein an Iceman hater... but I just wanted to point out that xmarksthespot posted scans from a future version of Iceman who has had a lot more time to perfect his cryokinetic abilities. So that is completely irrelevant. The thread does not state: Future Iceman vs Current Invisible Woman.
I'm pretty sure there are future versions of Invisible Woman who could whip the crap out of the entire MU if she ever used it to her full potential.
ya thats were iceman realizes that he can do the water vapor stuff, and learns lots of new things....so even if they went time hoping (and who in the MU hasnt?) they all still kept those memories and experiances, which means that current iceman knows how to do all those things...anways we have listed ways as to how drake would win and defended them and shown how IW's offensive movements wouldnt work....anyone have anything that might work for her??
Lemme see. They all retained their current memories and powers... yet Juggy doesn't have his Crystal of Cytorrak... Hmmm. And your comment about learning new powers and unlocking abilities sounds an awful lot like they 'gained' something. I have no reason to think you're lying, so I may give this to you.
However, I have read X-Men Forever. Firstly, it sucked. This is off the point. Because secondly, I'm pretty sure, that is the future they're in when they're fighting the Sentinels. A future akin to 'Days of Future Past,' where Juggy doesn't have his crystal. Hence, the commando look. So by your reasoning, Iceman probably gained the knowledge of his powers from his future self since that is where they are.
I myself, will need to look at X-Men Forever at my comic shop myself. So I won't conclude anything until then. I remember there being a lot of leftover copies. Poor ass imitation of Avengers Forever, IMO.
Go to this link to another vs thread involving Iceman in a free-for-all against Black Tom, Magma and Storm. I basically ended it and showed my reasons why using the unnatural high-end feat of flash freeze isn't a very reliable thing to base your argument on. Simply put, an Omega class mutant like Magneto doesn't flip the Earth's poles in every battle at the moment in starts nor does he blow a huge EMP in an instant. It takes great concentration, focus and perception to manage this. Same goes for flash freeze in the reasons I state throughout the thread. I also go through a detailed analysis of Iceman's powers in case anybody is interested in reading.