Originally posted by Superherovandal
seriously what is all this complaining about avatars? i mean marvel uses the same bs with doombots and thanosi clones.
Yeah, I'm not mad about Avatars, I guess some people dislike that DS has never been defeated and that his true form is much much more powerful, eh I dunno.
Originally posted by SuperherovandalClones have only been used 2 or 3 times. And why do you have to use a whole company to compare it?
seriously what is all this complaining about avatars? i mean marvel uses the same bs with doombots and thanosi clones.
Next we will, hear that Superman hasn't been affected by the crisis...
Originally posted by bigbran
How do we ever know if it's an avatar?
Ya and since you said earlier, that PC Darkseid, is the same Darkseid, as the one we see today. Then why don't you use his showings, instead of using assumptions, and made up stuff, that has never been clearly stated in comics?
What am I using that is made up?
Originally posted by Jesse7
Actually its the opposite, DS can do everything his avatrs haev ever shown to do, want to know why? Because the avatars are fraction of his power, a very small fraction, so if a fraction of his power can do what his avatars can do then imagine what he can do?DS has plenty of on panel evidence of his powers, the thing is, even his top showings are all but a small fraction of his powers (avatars) projected by him.
so umm technically, if all we are ever shown is the "baby" Darkseids, and no matter what darkseid is ever credited to have done, it is always a "baby" darkseid that actually went and did it, i think it is safe to assume that for all intents and purposes, a "baby" darkseid will be the one present in the match between these two.
understanding that, it should be somewhat obvious to most that odin is superior in regular showings to darkseid in regular showings. *ahem* excuse me, "baby" darkseid. and that odin would win this fight.
Originally posted by bigbran
Clones have only been used 2 or 3 times. And why do you have to use a whole company to compare it?
You really think anyone in comics(any company) can compare to how confusing Darky is?Next we will, hear that Superman hasn't been affected by the crisis...
Well he was affected by the crisis, but if you have noticed, his powers have been going towards Pre-Crsis Levels over the years, except this time they are more adaptable.
Originally posted by HisMajestyAC43
so umm technically, if all we are ever shown is the "baby" Darkseids, and no matter what darkseid is ever credited to have done, it is always a "baby" darkseid that actually went and did it, i think it is safe to assume that for all intents and purposes, a "baby" darkseid will be the one present in the match between these two.understanding that, it should be somewhat obvious to most that odin is superior in regular showings to darkseid in regular showings. *ahem* excuse me, "baby" darkseid. and that odin would win this fight.
lol its not a baby darkseid, its an Avatar, by the way "avatar" DS has some very high showings, just ask Juggs about them.
Originally posted by bigbran
Your using assumptions, and you are saying that PC Darky is the one we talk about, but you ignore all his showings, and go for the confusing aproach, and you are now ignoring the rest of my post, and replying to one sentence.
Their is no PC DS, its all the same DS, DC stated as of 2004, all his defeats were Avatars, also its been stated multiple times in DC comics that the newgods are only in their "true" forms when they use a boom tube.
Originally posted by bigbran
How do we ever know if it's an avatar?
Ya and since you said earlier, that PC Darkseid, is the same Darkseid, as the one we see today. Then why don't you use his showings, instead of using assumptions, and made up stuff, that has never been clearly stated in comics?
No because this avatar idea is f*cking moronic.
THAT jesse is why GF's opinion>>DC's Opinion
You see when you have someone like Doom or Thanos it's understandable, Doom and Thanos (for all their boastings) are still Mortals. Darkseid is a self styled GOD on the other hand. He shouldn't have to pussy foot and send 'Avatars' to do his dirty work for him .
Originally posted by Jesse7Hmmm....
Well he was affected by the crisis, but if you have noticed, his powers have been going towards Pre-Crsis Levels over the years, except this time they are more adaptable.
Originally posted by Jesse7
Their is no pre-crisis DarkSeid and Post-Crsis DarkSeid as he was never affected by it, their is just one Darkseid, not PC or post crisis.
Originally posted by Jesse7
lol its not a baby darkseid, its an Avatar, by the way "avatar" DS has some very high showings, just ask Juggs about them.
heh, i know they aren't babies. but from what i have seen, Darkseid avatars are comparable to Thanos or vice versa. an because thanos was not able to singlehandedly do more than hold odin off for a few panels, i don't think that darkseid would fare much better. and if by some slight chance he did fare better, i still don't think he would beat odin.
Originally posted by grey fox
No because this avatar idea is f*cking moronic.THAT jesse is why GF's opinion>>DC's Opinion
You see when you have someone like Doom or Thanos it's understandable, Doom and Thanos (for all their boastings) are still Mortals. Darkseid is a self styled GOD on the other hand. He shouldn't have to pussy foot and send 'Avatars' to do his dirty work for him .
I agree.
and although i'm not exactly a darkseid fan, i would think that if he simply presented his supposed "true" self, he would be a much larger threat, and should have little to no problems getting what he wants...
Originally posted by bigbran
Actually, Thanos was made to be a clone to PC Darkseid. So... an avatar should be nothing to him.Thanos is comparable to PC Darkseid, not the galaxy sized Darky, or the Avatar Darkseids.
Well technically going by what was said and shown in DC comics, the Darkseid from the PC era which is the same DS from present era, would likely be an avatar in most of if not all of his battles and if not a avatar, then it was Darkseid but he was depowered (not using a boom tube) as he is always depowered.
By the way, Darkseid along with Superman, both serve some unknown grand purpose to the source of DC, which is why Darkseid cannot die nor can Superman, its also why the OE doesnt affect Supes and why the SPectre couldn't kill DS.