Originally posted by h1a8
Magneto easily wins 10/10Facts: Magneto can control Hulks blood (I didn't believe this at first)
There are plenty of scans in this forum showing him reversing She-Hulk's and different other beings blood. He has done this many times. No argument should be here.Magneto can fly and control things from a safe distance
With that said, I don't see how Hulk can win. Magneto is very smart and knows who the Hulk is. He simply will propel him into outer space or reverse his blood flow until Hulk passes out while always staying at a safe distance.
If anyone else argues that Hulk could win then please explain Hulk's defense to blood flow reverse(while magneto is at a safe distance) and defense to being propelled in space (while magneto is at a sage distance)
does anyone have anything to say about this?
I think not
Mags win 10/10
Originally posted by Ytaker
I want to acquiant you with an idea called "the world". We call it earth. But why doesn't it fly apart? Why do the bits making it up not fly off? Because of one extrodinarily powerful force; strong nuclear force. Release less than one hundreth of it and you get an atom bomb. The hulk became the hulk because he was hit by a strong nuclear reaction. Maybe Magneto has a larger range, but Hulk has much more power to release. Much.
Wow, I'm sorry for quoting from so far back in the thread, but I read through for about five pages after this, and found no real response to this guy. If it turns out someone did respond, I'm sorry!
I'm just annoyed by some of the junk science I'm picking up in this thread, is all. The strong nuclear force only acts to keep the protons (all positively charged) in an atom's nucleus together--it DOESN'T ACT over a greater range....so sure, it keeps all atoms from basically exploding, but it certainly doesn't act on a macro range to keep planets held together--that's a combination of gravity, and, you guessed it, the electro-magnetic forces holding different ions together.
Admittedly, the bit about the strong nuclear force being responsible for the power of the atom bomb, is true--but what's this suggestion that the Hulk is necessarily so much greater because of it? This post is basically saying that if the Hulk could spontaneously combust on command, he'd have more power than Magneto. I mean, yeah, I guess--but destroying himself by ripping his own atoms apart is hardly a way to win.
Sorry for another one!
Originally posted by nomsans
give me an actual 'comic book' that magneto 'controls' gamma rays...please. gamma is radiation...just like x-rays, and all the other kinds of rays. electromagnetism (according to astrophysics and einstien) and radiation are two different kinds of energies...IN FACT. according to einstien and astrophysics...there are only 3 (THREE) kinds of energies in astro physics. the 1st and 'seemingly' the most powerful (though it is to be argued) is called the 'G-force'. this is the force that holds all the planets, galaxies and stars in place and in thier orbits. the 2nd kind is called the Strong Force or 'Electromagnetism'. (which is basically electricity in all its forms.) the 3rd kind of energy found in astrphysics is called the Weak Force or 'Radiation' radiation would be all the rays and infared and ultr violate, sound waves. though, electro magnetism seems to be the strongest (with the old science axample of a guy falling off a building, the long fall takes a long time for him to finally reach the street below, and he gradually gains energy and spped the longer and faster he falls...but it isnt gravity that kills him...it is the electromagnetic force that kills him in a single instant...while gravity to took so long to build up energy, electro magnetism stopped the power of gravity in but an instant.)
that is one way to look at it...but on the opposite end of the spectrum, gravity is the only force in our universe able to penetrate the membrane of our universe and actually enter into different dimensions and differen parallel universe some iof which may have completely different set of laws than our own. nothin else in our uiverse can travel between parallel universes .
Nomsans, why do you seem to get off on bs science? I mean, you hit back on the point later that Unified Field Theory is unproven, but then start quoting the idea that gravity moves between dimensions like there's anything more than wild hypotheses to back it up. As far as experimental evidence goes, gravity appears to be by far the weakest, though widest-ranging, fundamental force.
Even worse, you claim that the weak force of the universe and "radiation" are one and the same--are you SERIOUS??? "Radiation" just means the emission of various particles or energy at high speeds. The weak fundamental force is the attraction between electrons and protons inside an atom, which, unsurprisingly is actually directly related to electro-magnetism. In fact, three of the four fundamental forces (electro-magnetism, the weak force, and the strong nuclear force) have all been proven to be related--meaning that Magneto would have at least limited control over ALL of them. This is backed up by his marvel profile.
More importantly, the radiation referred to by the Hulk's profile is GAMMA radiation--meaning emitted gamma particles. Do you know what kind of particles are emitted in gamma radiation? Photons --yes, that's right, LIGHT. Again, electro-magnetic spectrum, as is ultraviolet radiation, x-rays, etc. All of which can be controlled by Magneto--both because of his powers, and because of the profile given on him. And yes, again--more reason why Magneto could take down the Hulk.
But just to the put the final nail in the coffin of your claims of being able to talk about decent science--you mention SOUND WAVES as being part of one type of 'energy' that exists in astrophysics. HOW THE HECK do you explain this considering that sound cannot travel through vacuum, and therefore through space? Sound waves are all well and good, but they certainly aren't a type of radiation.....they're just a wave. More importantly, if you knew anything about space and astrophysics, you wouldn't suggest that they're related to electro-magnetic radiation in any way, or that they can travel through space.
*whew* Rant over.
Oh, and--Magneto, for sure. If you can't get near him, you can't hurt him. Besides, his force field's easily taken blows from Hercules at full strength--a being whose base level of strength is far higher than the Hulk's (although the Hulk can be stronger if he gets angry enough). Many have speculated that physical force CANNOT break through Magneto's shield, as even Thor needed to use his energy-draining capabilities to do it.
Wow....sorry for triple-posting, but I just had a new thought:
Magneto drops Asteroid M (or an equivalent!) on Hulk from space.
Probably won't kill him, but it should bury him for a good time--especially if the whole thing's mostly metal, like many asteroids.
I mean, sure, Hulk held up that mountain.....but Asteroid M's larger, and it's coming down kinda fast (presumably at terminal velocity, if not faster).
"Magneto is a mutant with the superhuman power of magnetokinesis. Magneto can shape and manipulate magnetic fields that exist naturally or artificially. As the Master of Magnetism, he can lift, move, and alter objects (sometimes weighing many thousands of tons) through magnetic force, manipulate the iron-enriched blood-flow to one's brain to induce aneurysms or unconsciousness, control ferrous particles in the atmosphere, alter the Earth's magnetic field which extends into space as the magnetosphere, increase his own strength, erect electro-magnetic force fields with a high degree of impenetrability (protecting himself or others from almost any psionic, energy, or physical attack), and achieve a wide range of other effects. Magneto has even used his magnetic abilities to extract the Adamantium bonded to Wolverine's skeleton, by manipulating it on a molecular level. With the primal force of nature at his command, Magneto has stopped armies, raised islands from ocean floors, moved mountains and threatened to devastate the world with apocalyptic floods and earthquakes. Magneto once blanketed half the globe with a self-generated electro-magnetic pulse that caused widespread devastation.
Magneto can use his magnetic powers in more than one way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers. Although Magneto often gestures when using his magnetic powers, he can utilize them fully even when standing totally still merely by concentrating. His ability to wield his superhuman powers effectively is dependent upon his physical condition. When severely injured, his body is unable to withstand the strain of manipulating great amounts of magnetic forces. When his powers are not at their peak, he appears to have greater difficulty controlling forces other than magnetism.
The Master of MagnetismMagneto usually protects himself with a personal forcefield that he can quickly expand to protect large areas. His forcefield has withstood the effects of multiple nuclear weapons, volcanic eruption, the depths of space and attacks from multiple Avengers or X-men, as well as Phoenix, Thor, and even Galactus (during the Secret Wars.) By concentrating Magneto can perceive the world around himself solely as patterns of magnetic and electrical energy. He can perceive the natural magnetic auras surrounding living beings, as well.
Although Magneto's primary power is magnetism, he seems to have some ability to project or manipulate any form of energy that is related to the electromagnetic spectrum. He can fire and absorb bolts of electricity and magnetic force, reverse lasers and other forms of radiation or energy, create enough intense heat as infrared radiation to destroy a metal door, and become invisible by deflecting visible light around his body. (He has also dispersed a "flame cage" created by the original Human Torch, but whether he had simply expanded his personal force field or employed something else entirely is unclear.) In both Excalibur (vol. 3) and the possible future of X-Men: The End, Magneto uses his powers to create a traversable wormhole between two points in space. If this is an extension of his primary power, it suggests a connection between electromagnetism, gravitation and spacetime that is beyond current (real-world) scientific understanding.
A mastermind, Magneto is a genius within various scientific fields. He is an expert on genetic manipulation and engineering, with knowledge far beyond that of contemporary science. He can mutate humans in order to give them superhuman powers, instill genetic mind-control, create adult clones of human beings, and then manipulate the genetic structures of these clones during their development. He has designed magnetically-powered skycraft and spacecraft, complex robots and computers, and magnetically-powered generators. He has created artificial living beings, space stations, and machines that nullify mutant powers within a radius of several miles."
quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_%28comics%29
sorry to post such a long one, but people a while back posted posts discussing greatly powerful things hulk has done, and I thought I would post this to show that he is not the only one capable of SIGNIFICANTLY powerful deeds.
putting facts straight, magneto has complete control of ALL forces, strong nuclear, weak nuclear, gravity and electromagnetism. he also has slight control over psionic force. the only forces he DOESNT control are mystic and cosmic. hes just about the most powerful ALPHA out there and some thing he might even me an OMEGA.
Originally posted by Soljer
Omega mutants have the ability to exist as pure energy. Until Magneto sheds his human form, there damn well better not be any one calling him an Omega.
and magneto already HAS displayed clearly thge power to exists in a pure electromagnetic state without any physical self.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and magneto already HAS displayed clearly thge power to exists in a pure electromagnetic state without any physical self.
he was killed and the earth's magnetic field nurtured him back to health, "like a mother nurtures her child."
and did everyone notice in my previous post that mags' field survived an attack from multiple powerful characters including GALACTUS!!!! Now I wouldn't go as far as to compare mags to galactus, but his shield did survive his attack. Pretty impressive.
Originally posted by leonheartmmIn what are essentially What Ifs...
and magneto already HAS displayed clearly thge power to exists in a pure electromagnetic state without any physical self.
He's not an Omega mutant. Those that are stated on panel as Omega mutants; Jean Grey, Iceman, Quentin Quire, Elixir, Franklin Richards, Vulcan and Mister M, are Omega mutants. Marvel Girl too if you stretch and say Nimrod back in 1986 using the word omega somehow translates to it meaning the same as it does now, 20 years later.
While not an Omega mutant, Magneto still wins. No idea how this has reached 70 pages.