I was purely asking for a reason why supes would survive... I quite like supes! I don't hate him as a char at all cresh... I just don't think he would survive in a black hole... I just saw that as PIS... If supes could live though that he would be able to got alot faster then 8* LS... he would also not be hurt from punches from anyone who wasn't as powerful as him...
I guess this doesn't count as proof then... 🙄
A bit slow? Do you not notice the guy that says a minute and 54 seconds? Supes and Wonderman were literally fighting to and back from the sun and it was under 2 minutes.
What are you going to say now? The scan isn't real? LMAO.
If Superman can't go faster than lightspeed, why can Superman Prime move as fast as he can when he's the same Kal-El?
lol.... I asked around in the supes forum to see what people though supes top speed was.... best they gave was lightspeed......
Good job, you can form your opinions based on others, you're sooooo awesome.
Please repeat this reason why supes doesn't get crushed in a black hole... maybe its the same one as to why wolverine beats hulk... or spiderman beats heralds...
I like how you ignored this request:
And I did give you an reason why he could survive, and no you didn't give me a reason why he could fire energy.
I clearly gave you a reason; I just looked back at the thread, and I found no substantiation towards your post, thereby not evidence.
Seriously kid, you need that get out of jail card a lot more than I do. You keep it. You can't even keep your own standpoint consistent.
I also love how you get on your high horse whenever you're in a losing situation, shows great maturity on your part -- isn't that what you try to proclaim as your meal ticket when I'm "childish"?
And thanks for being so compliant with the reply. You clearly must be masochistic.
hahaha.... I said cresh could have the get out of jail card not you....and I was joking....
as I said before... I would love to scan in pics... But I don't own the DVD's of DBZ I looked around for Images but couldn't get any ones of the parts I want.... I even DLed some eps but the quality wasn't good enough to screen shot it....
Whats all this talk about a high horse.... You really want to criminalise me don't you.... But if you want to think of me as your superior I won't hold it against you... Its natural to be impressed by me... Most girls are...
I told you why they get energy... just like supes get his energy from his cells goku does too.... he can channel this energy out... as we are told from the ep where gohan trains videl...
You told me supes survives cause he has a bioshield... yet that didn't stop doomsday killin him....
Funny the scan shows he says 1 min 54 before they get back... if there moving as fast as you say... How are they being followed by the computers... Last time I checked signals can't go faster then lightspeed....
hahaha.... I said cresh could have the get out of jail card not you....and I was joking....
Yes, and I suppose you were "joking" about everything else in the thread too, please.
as I said before... I would love to scan in pics... But I don't own the DVD's of DBZ I looked around for Images but couldn't get any ones of the parts I want.... I even DLed some eps but the quality wasn't good enough to screen shot it....
That's no excuse for no proof.
Whats all this talk about a high horse.... You really want to criminalise me don't you.... But if you want to think of me as your superior I won't hold it against you... Its natural to be impressed by me... Most girls are...
You don't read well do you? I guess most of the girls who are impressed are borderline retarded.
I told you why they get energy... just like supes get his energy from his cells goku does too.... he can channel this energy out... as we are told from the ep where gohan trains videl...You told me supes survives cause he has a bioshield... yet that didn't stop doomsday killin him....
And he's also owned Doomsday himself. If you want to place so much emphasis on one death, I could do the same for all 500132 of Goku's.
Funny the scan shows he says 1 min 54 before they get back... if there moving as fast as you say... How are they being followed by the computers... Last time I checked signals can't go faster then lightspeed....
And no one can "generate" energy from their cells either, but hey, it's pseudoscience.
Wow, nice red herring.
Look, Hit and Miss, in case you didn't notice, he's -timing- them. KNow what that means? To time someone? From start to finish? You could start running and I could start the timer. You could run out of sight and around the block and come back and I could stop the timer, and give you an accurate time rating.
Nice try on arguing PROOF, something which you DBZ fanboys have never shown. (Although to be fair, DBZ fans have shown proof that supports Superman besting Goku, and you guys just ignore it.)
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, kid.
Originally posted by Illustrious
Yes, and I suppose you were "joking" about everything else in the thread too, please.That's no excuse for no proof.
You don't read well do you? I guess most of the girls who are impressed are borderline retarded.
And he's also owned Doomsday himself. If you want to place so much emphasis on one death, I could do the same for all 500132 of Goku's.
And no one can "generate" energy from their cells either, but hey, it's pseudoscience.
Yup I joke about alot of things...
I kinda is an excuse, you just want to class it as no proof as the proof alone proves the point....
sooo your borderline retarded???
Yup... if doomsday could kill him once how could he hurt supes if supes can survive the greatest force in the universe? Goku dies alot... Yup! but he get stronger and gets returned by wishes 😄
I could ask you to give me some proof why supes can survive a black hole... I just wanted to know in that thread why supes can Live though that... I even emitted that I hadn't made my mind up who won that fight... I just though the black hole feat was flawed...
deus ex.... When does he say to start the tracking????
How fast is WW???
and can they both beat flash in a race, (presuming flash doesn't use the SF to stop them moving)
Serious flaws? What serious flaws? Are you simply disbelieving in everything we've set forth over the course of several threads because what? You're an incredible, truth-needing skeptic who believes without a doubt despite providing NO proof for Goku that... Goku wins?
No, you're a fanboy who can't admit when he's beaten and picking at the evidence, saying it has "serious flaws" and hence you can't accept it is BS. Stop calling everything into question, unless you want to -start providing some proof- that Goku can beat Superman. I haven't seen a thing. You obviously think the default position of this argument is Goku wins: Superman supporters must provide tons and tons of evidence subject to Hit and Miss' personal feelings and suspicions. PLease. You're ridiculous.
The default position of a debate is disbelief on all sides, and the burden of proof lies on those choosing a side. DBZ supporters = no proof. Superman supporters= Lots of proof in the forms of coherent logical reasoning, scans, and citing canon evidence.
You've been beaten, admit it.
Obviously you haven't read what I have said: why do you insist that Supes can't do this or can't do that and then when you get some fellow DBZ fanboy support (over in the other thread) you hop right back on the Goku bandwagon despite there being an overwhelmingly glaring LACK of evidence for Goku even having the ability to defeat Superman? Seriously? If you don't care and aren't partial, why are you here arguing every little point you don't like about Superman and not saying one damn thing when DBZ fanboys and girls say absolute, unsupported nonsense?
Well, because you're a DBZ fanboy. Pure and simple.
you guys did a good enough job proving them wrong... I did prove one wrong when he was shouting about goku....
I only attacked superman on 2 points... his top speed, as I have found it stated time and time again to be just over lightspeed and his survival of a black hole....
sorry... I know you really want me to be a fanboy... but I'm not...
Besides If I'm a fanboy what does that make you?? you refused to believe anything against superman... does that not make you a fanboy...
keep attacking me... I don't care... Its quite funny really!
Uh huh. Sure.
Here, attack these points for me then.
Originally posted by dvampire
SSJ4 Goku stands no chance against Superman. Hes not close to being physically strong or Durable as Supes; one punch is going to have Goku really hurt and his heat vision will melt the flesh off of ssj4 Goku with ease.In Action Comics #696, Superman survived passage through a cosmic wormhole.
In JLA:Created Equal, book 2, Superman survived passage through a blackhole.
Man of Steel #30: Standing on Earth's surface, Superman punched Lobo into orbit with one punch.
In JLA/Starbreaker, the "destructive force of a nova" couldn't destroy Supes.
In JLA #41, Superman absorbed the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device capable, at the minimum, vaporizing half a galaxy.
In Aventures of Superman #477, Superman survived the destruction of a sun eater, at ground zero.
In Adventures of Superman #581, Superman allowed Adversary, a powerful magical foe, to hit him as hard as he could, without retaliation. Supes was halfway across the planet from Metropolis to China, and he was fine.
In Superman #181, Superman and Bizarro swhiched bodys; Superman (in Bizarros body) punched Bizarro (in Supes body) completely through the Earth and out the other end. Superman was slammed in through the ground in Metropolis and came out two panels later in China. He was showed ripping straight through the Earths crust, mantle, and core, and coming out on the other side of the planet. Both of them was still ready to fight after that.
Action Comics #775: Alone in combat, Superman faced down and authoritatively defeated the Elite. Elite tore one of Neptune's moons in half, and, at least according to John Henry Iron's (a technological genius) readings, tossed around enough power to "ignite a star".
Action comics Annual #7: Alone, Superman defeated alien Armadas twice, each capable of destroying a planet.
Superman is way more powerful than any DBZ/GT characters, they're no where close to Supes or people he fights league. Halve a city or push a building is nothing compared to what Supes done. 😐
Originally posted by dvampire
Supe is way faster.Superman #13: Flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, indicating a speed of well over 1, 000, 000 mph, or roughly 1350 times the speed of sound.
Man of steel #110: Standing in one spot, Superman used his Superspeed to vibrate his body invisible.
Superman #175: Superman learned a speed trick from the Flash, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body intangible, Thus allowing Doomsday's punches and firebreath to pass harmlessly through him. Head to Superman vs. Thor thread to see the pic.
Return of Superman: Superman used his speed to vibrate his arm so fast, it shattered Cyborg's body into alot of pieces.
After racing the Man of Steel, Impule stated that Superman travels at 99% the speed of light.
War of Gods #4: Superman out raced an energy beam to its target. In JLA: Heavens Ladder, it is staed that Superman can race a photon to its target.
Lex 2000 special: Superman made the trip from Earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes. By comparison, light takes about 19 minutes to make this trip.
In JLA #51, Superman apparently made the trip from Saturn to Earth in a matter of seconds.
In Superman #153, a trip from Saturn to the sun (27 light minutes) and back agian (for a total of 54 light mintues) was completed in mere moments by the Superman.
Supes is way faster than any DBZ/GT character is. 🙂
Originally posted by dvampire
Energy beam are as fast as a photon or laser beam, Supes out raced a beam, ssj4 Goku couldn't. Supes has cought countless of bullets, that one pic where they show Supes missing bullets was only halve the story what happened. Go back at the Supeman vs. Thor thread and see the new pics of Superman speed. SSJ3 Goku was only able to lift havle a city and he lose energy very fast, those punches and kicks would be nothing to Supes. Supes was racing Flash at 100 mach while running without flying. Supes has proven several times thats his faster than light.They get hurt by energy blast as well as their punches and kicks that do way less than what Supes does, their physical attacks sometimes do more than there energy blast. One punch from Superman and the fight is over, ssj3/4 or anybody from DBZ/GT can't take that much punching power from him or he can just blast him with Heat Vision (5-6000 should be enough) to end the fight.
Nobody in DBZ/GT move at light speed, that whould mean that Goku whouldn't need to use instant transmission; Supes goes light speed on his own. You can move less than sound and light speed, and still look like your teleporting.
Originally posted by dvampire
Supes took a direct blast from imperiex (a being that destroy galaxies who's way more powerful than any DBZ/GT character) that sent him from back to earth surface and he still got back up and he take blasts from Darkseid all the time who destroy planets all the time. Frieza used his death ball to destroy planets, but Supes fight people that destroys planets all the time with energy blast and is physically more powerful then any DBZ/GT character.In Lex 2000 special, with a single strike, Superman spilt one of Saturns moons in half. Supes is way stronger than any DBZ/GT character is.
Originally posted by dvampire
He took a blast from Imperiex Prime while him and Doomday was fighting in space. Supes gets hit by planet destorying attacks all the time rather it's physical attacks or energy blast. SSJ4 Goku couldn't out beat a energy blast from Omega Shinron so he's not even close to light speed. In Flash #209, Supes and Flash was Running over 2000miles per second, and Supes flies way faster than he runs.War of the Gods #4 Supes out raced an energy beam. In JLA: Heaveavens Ladder, it is stated that Superman can race a Photon to it's target.
In Superman #51, Superman made the trip from Saturn to Earth in a matter of seconds. IT is used like a teleport but Goku isn't close to being that fast.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Part of the reason why the DBZ characters can destroy planets is the physics they have set up.In the dbz world the planets seem to have life essences, punch a hole or throw some energy into the planet and like a living being it will die and destroy itself.
This is kind of lacking in the DC universe, you'd have to more than just shoot some energy into the core of the planet. . .
Superman lived in the heart of a sun for 1,000 or so years, because he's powered by the light of a yellow star, like the sun.
Originally posted by Mainstream
superman flies around Goku SS4 and sucks the air out of his lungs....Goku has to breathe right? 😕
Originally posted by Creshosk
energy attacks powered by the sun don't work on supes either.Goku's IT only works when locking onto a person's chi.
And keep in mind that you not believing in something doesn't make it not happen. You might not believe that the sky is blue, but is IS blue.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
you guys did a good enough job proving them wrong... I did prove one wrong when he was shouting about goku....I only attacked superman on 2 points... his top speed, as I have found it stated time and time again to be just over lightspeed and his survival of a black hole....
sorry... I know you really want me to be a fanboy... but I'm not...
Besides If I'm a fanboy what does that make you?? you refused to believe anything against superman... does that not make you a fanboy...keep attacking me... I don't care... Its quite funny really!
According to this, Hit and Miss has issues with Supes' top speed and survival of a black hole.
Note that neither of these points really makes Goku win. We must be missing this final, incredible piece of the puzzle.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
ok little chicken....Why do you want me to attack supes post for you? are you on gokus side now???
*Pssst* are you a goku fanboy in hiding???
Do you believe that comics never have PIS/CIS involved??? just cause you believe doesn't mean It can't be PIS/CIS....
Little chicken? Is that a grade school insult? Nice.
And I want you to scrutinize those posts and refute them individually, and then form a basis for Goku winning. If not, why are you responding to anything?
And really, calling it PIS/CIS? I could just as easily go over DBZ with that mentality and rule out Goku even qualifying for the fight.
chicken little was a story about a bird who thought the sky was falling...
sigh... your really missing the point here.... I don't care about goku, I just don't see supes being as fast as 8* lightspeed theres no solid proof saying hes defentaly 8 times as fast... but theres loads of people saying his top speed is lighspeed.... OR "99% lightspeed"...
Why is supes imune to the greatest crush possible... but can get thrown around by lesser beings...
There is very little point in talking to someone with such a closed mined...
chicken little was a story about a bird who thought the sky was falling...
Aren't you the kid who fell for the gullible joke?
sigh... your really missing the point here.... I don't care about goku, I just don't see supes being as fast as 8* lightspeed theres no solid proof saying hes defentaly 8 times as fast... but theres loads of people saying his top speed is lighspeed.... OR "99% lightspeed"...
A) No one cares what you see or don't see. You don't understand quantum physics, how to form a point, or what a naked girl looks like, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
B) Last time I checked all evidence pointed towards Superman doing feats that exceeded the speed of light. Whether or not you like that is your beef. Go make an LJ about it or something.
C) If Superman can move above the speed of light (Read: Superlight speed) then he would move so quickly he could not be seen in real-time (Simplification: you'd see him seconds behind where he's actually at in the same way we see the light of stars from eons ago in this day and age). How is Goku going to counter this? Kame-hame-ha? If you don't care about Goku, don't participate in threads where he's up against Superman. It's that simple. We were talking about who would win. You want to crap and cry about Supes' powers, make your own thread on it and people will reply.
Why is supes imune to the greatest crush possible... but can get thrown around by lesser beings...
Define lesser beings in this instance? I mean, Superman goes toe to toe with people who can replicate this feat and more. And keep in mind that Superman has grown -stronger- over the years. While before he could get thrashed by Doomsday, that is no longer the case.
There is very little point in talking to someone with such a closed mined...
Close mined, eh? Is that where I mine too close or something? Please. if anyone is close minded, it's you.
lol....
the gullible joke;
where you called me gullible,
I asked how I was gullible...
You told me you would tell me tomorrow...
I said it would take you take long to figure it out....
Yup... I fell for that.....
hahaha your inane logic proves to much for me here... Your soo quick to bash your point is lost... but I think I can see it... some think like, you can't prove what you say... other then speculate about it... seeing as gokus fighting is mostly invisible and the others can only follow him my his energy its nulled....
You will have to forgive my spelling... its later over here and I will be sleeping shortly... but you still fail to prove why he would survive... just oh he has... theres no reason why he can survive the crush of infinity, just he does.... by that logic theres no reason goku couldn't...
this is a debate... not a mud slinging match... start debating like a man... not a child...