Storm and Emma vs BlackQueen

Originally posted by stormfront13
as much as i hate to admit it, storm would more than likely lose to the black queen. powerfulone, i love the enthusiasm, but it is the black queen we're talking about. she has xavier level tp, very powerful tk, control over inanimate objects, quicksilver-like speed, pyrokinesis, and she only needs one touch to severely hurt storm. she also has all the powers of the externals, or eternal, i can't remember their names, but candra was one of them. add all that to the fact that she is a master level sorceress, and storm more than likely loses 🙁 i don't think the white queen stands a chance either 🙁 selene is very underrated

Originally posted by life is cruell
How is selene with durability I know she is immortal and self proclaimed godess and all but how strong is she also in an issue of uncanny i have seen her hurt by rachel bashing her telekineticlly through a wall.

Hmm... Durable enough to survive a lava pit when she was knocked into one by [I believe] Sunspot.

I think Black Queen has average telepath as she has been easily affected by Dani Moonstar (either that, or she doesn't guard her mind very well) and a number of her abilities such as animating objects can be very draining to her, causing her body to age rapidly, etc., which is the reason for her vampirism.

Undecided.

Originally posted by wannabe
Selene IS NOT Xavier's level when it comes to tp...he easily defeated her when she assaulted Rachel!
She is probably in Emma's league and so it would be an interesting battle between those two. Since it would surely take ALL of Selene's concentration to win against Emma in a psychic battle, she will not have any resources left to go against Storm, and if she concentrates on Storm, Emma will overwhelm her.

Agreed 😄

selenes creator intented her to have xavier-level telepathy. many writers have said it is her level(claremont included) of telepathy.

Originally posted by stormfront13
selenes creator intented her to have xavier-level telepathy. many writers have said it is her level(claremont included) of telepathy.

Where was this said? Name the issue and i'll download it tonight. Selene has never had or displayed Xavier level tp to my knowledge. In her first appearance when she tried to capture Rachel she made it quite clear that Xavier was her superior to her in that respect and she fled.

after re-considering this, I'd say it's pretty even, and emma's basically a non-factor in this.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where was this said? Name the issue and i'll download it tonight. Selene has never had or displayed Xavier level tp to my knowledge. In her first appearance when she tried to capture Rachel she made it quite clear that Xavier was her superior to her in that respect and she fled.

claremont has said it before over at comixfan. i didn't read the issue your taking about, but xavier probably has more skill due to the fact that selene hasn't developed her tp, she's been basically practicing magic her whole life.

Originally posted by stormfront13
claremont has said it before over at comixfan. i didn't read the issue your taking about, but xavier probably has more skill due to the fact that selene hasn't developed her tp, she's been basically practicing magic her whole life.

For someone whose been practising magic her whole life she hardly ever uses it. She mostly relies on her mutant powers and as we havent really seen her display her magic abilities we cant assume shes some all powerful sorceress no matter how much we like the character.

Also until we see a scan or a link to some credible evidence stating that her tp is Xavier level that point doesnt factor into this debate because it is unsupported. The fact that inexperienced Rachel has defeated Selene in a psychic battle whereas Emma dealt with Rachel the issue before should tell you in this battle Emmas far from a non factor. Selenes telepathy has never struck me as anything special not in comparison to first order telepaths.

Wannabe was right. If she engaged Emma telepathically she would leave herself vulnerable to Storm and vice versa. The team wins.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
For someone whose been practising magic her whole life she hardly ever uses it. She mostly relies on her mutant powers and as we havent really seen her display her magic abilities we cant assume shes some all powerful sorceress no matter how much we like the character.

Also until we see a scan or a link to some credible evidence stating that her tp is Xavier level that point doesnt factor into this debate because it is unsupported. The fact that inexperienced Rachel has defeated Selene in a psychic battle whereas Emma dealt with Rachel the issue before should tell you in this battle Emmas far from a non factor. Selenes telepathy has never struck me as anything special not in comparison to first order telepaths.

Wannabe was right. If she engaged Emm atelepathically she would leave herself vulnerable to Storm and vice versa. The team wins.

i think emma is a non-factor because emma has quicksilver-like speed, reaction time, and reflexes, and depending on the distance, selene could easily deal with emma by just touchng her before she could fully revert to diamond form. i can't find where it says selene is xaveir level, and on uncannyxmen.net is says she has mid-level tp, so i'm probably thinking of someone else. though selene has defeated all the externals except for candra(storm killed candra), and has all of their powers, so like i said in my previous post, it's even for me. also selenes ability to shadow-morph, it'll be hard to harm her.

Originally posted by stormfront13
i think emma is a non-factor because emma has quicksilver-like speed, reaction time, and reflexes, and depending on the distance, selene could easily deal with emma by just touchng her before she could fully revert to diamond form. i can't find where it says selene is xaveir level, and on uncannyxmen.net is says she has mid-level tp, so i'm probably thinking of someone else. though selene has defeated all the externals except for candra(storm killed candra), and has all of their powers, so like i said in my previous post, it's even for me. also selenes ability to shadow-morph, it'll be hard to harm her.

Emma and Selene are well aware of each others abilities having both been involved with the HF club. Emma isnt just going to stand around and let Selene attack her. With a thought shes engaged Selene and Selene will need all of her concentration to fight her off leaving her vulnerable to Storm. Fast as she is Selene isnt faster than the speed of thought so she would not be able to make physical contact with Emma before shes engaged her psychically or before shes transformed to diamond form which is a virtually instantaneous process.

As for Selene rivalling QS's speeds that was only in short bursts and the bio that Marvel directory is referring to was an old handbook entry written in the 80's when QS was running at 175 miles perhour tops so its really not that impressive. In a short burst Selene wouldnt be able to accelerate enough to reach that maximum speed anyway.

As for Storm the arsenal she has is capable of subduing Selene whilst Emma takes her out psychically. Selenes speed is no issue for Storm. Selene wouldnt be able to handle an assault on both fronts.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where was this said? Name the issue and i'll download it tonight. Selene has never had or displayed Xavier level tp to my knowledge. In her first appearance when she tried to capture Rachel she made it quite clear that Xavier was her superior to her in that respect and she fled.

Download???? How????

It really would depend on their distance from each other given enough space I can see Storm and Emma winning to close and I see Selene.

Originally posted by life is cruell
Download???? How????

winmx

Originally posted by stormfront13
i think emma is a non-factor because emma has quicksilver-like speed, reaction time, and reflexes, and depending on the distance, selene could easily deal with emma by just touchng her before she could fully revert to diamond form. i can't find where it says selene is xaveir level, and on uncannyxmen.net is says she has mid-level tp, so i'm probably thinking of someone else. though selene has defeated all the externals except for candra(storm killed candra), and has all of their powers, so like i said in my previous post, it's even for me. also selenes ability to shadow-morph, it'll be hard to harm her.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Emma and Selene are well aware of each others abilities having both been involved with the HF club. Emma isnt just going to stand around and let Selene attack her. With a thought shes engaged Selene and Selene will need all of her concentration to fight her off leaving her vulnerable to Storm. Fast as she is Selene isnt faster than the speed of thought so she would not be able to make physical contact with Emma before shes engaged her psychically or before shes transformed to diamond form which is a virtually instantaneous process.

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actually, it's very doubtful that emma knows all of selenes abilities. her shadow-morphing is a recent power, so it's highly doubtful emma has knowlege of this. yes, emma wouldn't, but selene would be reasting faster than emma would, and it'll take more than a thought for emma to take down to selene. actually, selene only needs a touch to stop the telepathic assualt, and fforce emma i9nto diamond form. it's debatable wether emma can use tp in diamond form or not, but brehndon has stated in his own personal site that emma cannot use tp in diamond form. yes, selene isn't faster than the speed of thought, but her thought is faster than both storm and emma, giving her more of an advantage.

When Storm levitates Emma (no problem for her), any short term superspeed will do Selene no good. Selenes power-versatility will do her no good either, because she needs ALL her concentration on ONE power (tp) to hold her own against Emma, who is a more skilled, if not even a more powerful telepath!!!

to levitate emma, they would need to discuss it leaving both of them a little distracted and vulnerable to attack. it isn't like she needs all of her concentration to ward off emma, just a good will, and when selene only needs a touch to stop the tp assualt, it's debatable wether it wil do any good. but anyway, I agree that the team would win, but it's more even that both you and galactic think it is, you both are severly underestimating selene. and galactic, how do you download comics with winmx?

who is she?

the blackqueen?

yeah and could you show a couple of pics?

From UXN:
"Real Name: Selene Gallio

Powers and Abilities:
enhanced strength, speed, endurance, reflexes, and durability, hypnotic stare, telepathy, psychokinetically animate any unliving materials, drain the lifeforce of other living beings to retain and increase her vitality, create and direct flame, shadow-morphing allowing her to dematerialize or use solid tendrills of darkness to manipulate objects"

She's also an External - a sub-species of mutant immortals.

Originally posted by stormfront13
actually, it's very doubtful that emma knows all of selenes abilities. her shadow-morphing is a recent power, so it's highly doubtful emma has knowlege of this. yes, emma wouldn't, but selene would be reasting faster than emma would, and it'll take more than a thought for emma to take down to selene. actually, selene only needs a touch to stop the telepathic assualt, and fforce emma i9nto diamond form. it's debatable wether emma can use tp in diamond form or not, but brehndon has stated in his own personal site that emma cannot use tp in diamond form. yes, selene isn't faster than the speed of thought, but her thought is faster than both storm and emma, giving her more of an advantage.

Originally posted by stormfront13
to levitate emma, they would need to discuss it leaving both of them a little distracted and vulnerable to attack. it isn't like she needs all of her concentration to ward off emma, just a good will, and when selene only needs a touch to stop the tp assualt, it's debatable wether it wil do any good. but anyway, I agree that the team would win, but it's more even that both you and galactic think it is, you both are severly underestimating selene. and galactic, how do you download comics with winmx?

2) You grant Selene the advantage of a distracted Emma and Storm, even though a telepathic team link is a casual feat for Emma, and at the same time you deny the same advantage for the two when Selene has to split her attention between these powerful women...why?!

3) Selene is a good telepath and was able to defeat Rachel twice, before the girl realized her Phoenix potential. After Rachel tapped into the PF, she lost...Emma didn't! (look at the scans Galactic and i posted on the Selene thread in the X-Men forum!)

4)Against a telepath of Emma's caliber it's fatal not to use ALL of your concentration, especially when you are not stronger than her...or you end up with the multiple orgasm of your life. YOU are underestimating Emma! 😄