Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
really? I don't remember getting it. What are its stats (damage, bonuses)?
damage: 3-12 2-20 dark side
crit: 20
range: 23 m
attack: 2
balanced
upgreadable: (scope)
restricted to sith assassin, sith marauder, sith lord
i found one in his tomb and another in the ruined academy. it was pretty cool, i could duel weild them and just plow through people.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Nadd conquered a planet, but Exar ripped a star appart. I admit, my Nadd knowledge is very small, but what has he done. I only know that he conquered a planet and got killed by Exar as a spirit.
He didn't just take over a planet. He took it over with a blaster and a short lightsaber. And of course, some Force powers. Not to mention that he single-handedly wiped out almost the entire Beast Rider population. And as Fishy said, he may have slain Naga Sadow, although this is an unknown. I myself don't support that theory for Sadow's death, but whatever.
As I was saying, it wasn't like Nadd just stepped onto Onderon and took it over. He fought the forces of an entire planet and won. That takes skill. Exar may have done some nice things, but fighting off an army of Jedi with a blaster?
Originally posted by Darth Faunus
He didn't just take over a planet. He took it over with a blaster and a short lightsaber. And of course, some Force powers. Not to mention that he single-handedly wiped out almost the entire Beast Rider population. And as Fishy said, he may have slain Naga Sadow, although this is an unknown. I myself don't support that theory for Sadow's death, but whatever.As I was saying, it wasn't like Nadd just stepped onto Onderon and took it over. He fought the forces of an entire planet and won. That takes skill. Exar may have done some nice things, but fighting off an army of Jedi with a blaster?
I don't think he slew Naga, but if he did, then I would completly change my mind and give him the victory.
Nadd took out a ton of Beast Riders, but Exar killed Nadd and many(not sure of the exact count) in one attack.
Sure Nadd was a spirit, but he was a relativly young one as Sith spirits go.
I'd give Nadd a good chance, but I think its definatly in Exars favor.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I don't think he slew Naga, but if he did, then I would completly change my mind and give him the victory.Nadd took out a ton of Beast Riders, but Exar killed Nadd and many(not sure of the exact count) in one attack.
Sure Nadd was a spirit, but he was a relativly young one as Sith spirits go.
I'd give Nadd a good chance, but I think its definatly in Exars favor.
I myself doubt that, but whatever. Until proven, we'll give it the benefit of the doubt.
Exar killed Nadd's spirit, which, mind you, was able to kill a rather powerful Force user on its own.
What? So because Nadd's spirit was 'younger' than other spirits, it's that much stronger? Must I rmeind you that Ragnos' spirit, after 5000 years, was strong enough to possess a Dark acolyte of some power, and battle a Jedi Knight who, in the words of Luke, was 'one of our most promising students'? And Exar, who after 4000 years was capable of battling fourteen Jedi, two of which were spirits? I don't think so.
Nadd was likely the most naturally talented lightsaber-duelist the Sith had seen since Tulak Hord. Exar was, and still is, one of the most powerful beings ever. Perhaps, and I say this lightly, possessing more raw power and potential than Nadd. He was, afterall, prophecized to bring about the Golden Age. However, answer me this. How much coordination, skill, and control does it take to slaughter some of the best Jedi of an era with a blaster?
[/QUOTE] I myself doubt that, but whatever. Until proven, we'll give it the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]
Nothing really to say here.
[/QUOTE]Exar killed Nadd's spirit, which, mind you, was able to kill a rather powerful Force user on its own.[/QUOTE]
Who was this? He was able to influence his decendent, King Omemin(spelling?) to keep Arca Jeth(I think it was him. Like I said, my knowledge of that is limited.). It wasn't just Nadd's spirit, King Omenin did most of the work.
[/QUOTE]What? So because Nadd's spirit was 'younger' than other spirits, it's that much stronger? Must I rmeind you that Ragnos' spirit, after 5000 years, was strong enough to possess a Dark acolyte of some power, and battle a Jedi Knight who, in the words of Luke, was 'one of our most promising students'? And Exar, who after 4000 years was capable of battling fourteen Jedi, two of which were spirits? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]
I don't exactly get the point of this, but whatever.
[/QUOTE]Nadd was likely the most naturally talented lightsaber-duelist the Sith had seen since Tulak Hord. Exar was, and still is, one of the most powerful beings ever. Perhaps, and I say this lightly, possessing more raw power and potential than Nadd. He was, afterall, prophecized to bring about the Golden Age. However, answer me this. How much coordination, skill, and control does it take to slaughter some of the best Jedi of an era with a [i]blaster[i].[/QUOTE]
What can you base this off of? You just randomly state that Nadd is the second greatest? He didn't just have a blaster. He had a lightsaber and the force. Exar could have done the same thing. He could have killed every Jedi on Coruscant, but choose not to.
Originally posted by Darth_GlentractI myself doubt that, but whatever. Until proven, we'll give it the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]
Nothing really to say here.
[/QUOTE]Exar killed Nadd's spirit, which, mind you, was able to kill a rather powerful Force user on its own.[/QUOTE]
Who was this? He was able to influence his decendent, King Omemin(spelling?) to keep Arca Jeth(I think it was him. Like I said, my knowledge of that is limited.). It wasn't just Nadd's spirit, King Omenin did most of the work.
[/QUOTE]What? So because Nadd's spirit was 'younger' than other spirits, it's that much stronger? Must I rmeind you that Ragnos' spirit, after 5000 years, was strong enough to possess a Dark acolyte of some power, and battle a Jedi Knight who, in the words of Luke, was 'one of our most promising students'? And Exar, who after 4000 years was capable of battling fourteen Jedi, two of which were spirits? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]
I don't exactly get the point of this, but whatever.
[/QUOTE]Nadd was likely the most naturally talented lightsaber-duelist the Sith had seen since Tulak Hord. Exar was, and still is, one of the most powerful beings ever. Perhaps, and I say this lightly, possessing more raw power and potential than Nadd. He was, afterall, prophecized to bring about the Golden Age. However, answer me this. How much coordination, skill, and control does it take to slaughter some of the best Jedi of an era with a [i]blaster[i].[/QUOTE]
What can you base this off of? You just randomly state that Nadd is the second greatest? He didn't just have a blaster. He had a lightsaber and the force. Exar could have done the same thing. He could have killed every Jedi on Coruscant, but choose not to. [/QUOTE]
There is no "/' on the first brackets.
Freedon Nadd, in my opinion, was little more than a Dark Jedi upstart. He was never close to being declared the Dark Lord of the Sith and he claimed that Exar Kun was a "pretender" to the Sith legacy, in contradiction to the spirit of a Lord of the Sith (Assumed to be Ragnos) who appeared and proclaimed Exar to be the Dark Lord.
Besides, it isn't entirely difficult for a disciple of the Dark Side to win over what amounted to a backwater planet at the time. I'm certain that, put in the same situation, Exar Kun could have performed the same feat with relative ease.
A Sith Lord that can stride into the Republic Senate, freeze its members and guard instantly, use the Chancellor as a literal puppet, toy with and kill the Jedi Order's grandmaster, and stride out has my vote over a dark jedi that may or may not have destroyed Naga Sadow's spirit form and conquered a planet.
Originally posted by IKC
Besides, it isn't entirely difficult for a disciple of the Dark Side to win over what amounted to a backwater planet at the time. I'm certain that, put in the same situation, Exar Kun could have performed the same feat with relative ease.
Onderon at the time Nadd took the planet over was one of the wealthiest planets in the entire Galaxy. So...they would have some of the best planetary defenses and Nadd destroyed it completely AND he did wipe out the Beast Riders with sheer force power.
A Sith Lord that can stride into the Republic Senate, freeze its members and guard instantly, use the Chancellor as a literal puppet, toy with and kill the Jedi Order's grandmaster, and stride out has my vote over a dark jedi that may or may not have destroyed Naga Sadow's spirit form and conquered a planet. [/B]
Not Naga Sadow's spirit - Naga Sadow in his physical form. Sadow entered suspended animation after the Great Hyperspace War so he was still alive when Nadd did run across him.
And if you have a look at the description of Nadd's blaster in KotoR 2 it says that this blasters has killed more Jedi than any lightsaber known. So Nadd killed more Jedi with his blaster than Exar, Hord and Ulic killed with their lightsabers. And that's impressive...
Actually, here is a good site that I found,
http://www.gamebanshee.com/starwarskotorii/chronicles.php
You can browse around there and find lots of info dealing with loads of different computer/console games.
However, the point is that if you look at the info for Freedon's blaster, it says that this weapon has killed more jedi than any lightsaber ever has. Also, under his lightsaber, it says that he trained with, and later destroyed Naga Sadow.
So, that tells us that Nadd can kill more jedi with a freaking blaster than any other sith up to the time in KotOR II (including Revan, Malak, Exar, Ulic, Kreia, Sion, Nihilius and the Exile) ever had. Also, that tells us that he did kill Sadow off.
Very impressive in my opinion, Nadd wins, though after a hard fight that would devastate the world that it was fought on
Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
However, the point is that if you look at the info for Freedon's blaster, it says that this weapon has killed more jedi than any lightsaber ever has. Also, under his lightsaber, it says that he trained with, and later destroyed Naga Sadow.So, that tells us that Nadd can kill more jedi with a freaking blaster than any other sith up to the time in KotOR II (including Revan, Malak, Exar, Ulic, Kreia, Sion, Nihilius and the Exile) ever had. Also, that tells us that he did kill Sadow off.
"The fate of Sadow remained a mystery."
Thats right off that site.
It also doesn't say how he killed those Jedi with that blaster. And no, it doesn't mean Nadd killed more than Exar, Sion, or Nihilus. Exar killed thousands on Ossus by destroying a star(using the force.) Sion gassed Jedi, hit them with grenades(killed most without a lightsaber.). And Nihilus just plain ate them(using force powers.). Most powerful people used the force to kill their opponents. Also, powerful Sith generally fought each other more than they fought Jedi,
And even if he had killed the most out of them, is Anakin more powerful than Ragnos? No, he isn't but he killed more than him. Others who didn't kill more could have killed more, but chose not to.
So basically, you didn't really show anything force Nadd in that post.
What I meant by the killed more jedi part is that he killed more jedi with the blaster than any of the others that I mentioned did with a lightsaber, remember this includes Sion who basically hunted down and destroyed the entire order.
As for where it says that Nadd destroyed Sadow, go here:
http://www.gamebanshee.com/starwarskotorii/equipment/lightsabers.php#null
then click on 'Freedon Nadd's Short Lightsaber' scroll down and it says that he destroyed Sadow.
Like I said, Sion didn't kill most of his victims with lightsabers, he used bombs, poison gas, ect.
That site is contradicting itself. In one part it says Naga was killed by Nadd and in another it says his fate was unknown. Add that to that site going against many other sources, and it doesn't mean anything.
So Nadd killed more Jedi with his blaster than Exar, Hord and Ulic killed with their lightsabers. And that's impressive...
No it isn't. The only Jedi Ulic ever struck down with a lightsaber was his brother, yet for as long as I've been watching this forum Ulic is considered an upper-tier force user. The number of Jedi one kills with weapon X isn't a measurement of power or if one might be able to defeat a certain opponent.
It took the arrival of all the Jedi - all of them - in orbit above Yavin 4 to defeat Exar Kun at the height of his power. (TOTJ: The Sith War. "Even I can't fight the combined might of all the Jedi!"😉.
Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith says this about Nadd in the intro:
Four hundred years before Arca and Thon, a dark Jedi named Freedon Nadd introduced the suppressed Sith teachings to the planet Onderon. Nadd's darkside powers took hold on the isolated world, and flourished unchecked until Master Arca brought together a band of Jedi to root them out.
Note how he isn't even considered a Sith, much less the Dark Lord. Note also how it describes his so-called "conquest." It merely says that his powers "took hold" on the isolated (read, backwater) world. Granted, he may have destroyed the beastriders, but non-force users have never been a match for those who can use the force. I'd like to ask what the source is on those who say that Freedon actually conquered Onderon. If it's the site Darkstar keeps referencing, I'd like to point out that it's full of quite a few factual errors.
For example, when it speaks of Exar Kun killing master Odan-Urr, it says, "When the young Padawans discover the slaying, Kun informs them that the sacrifice was necessary to grant him even more knowledge."
This is nonsense, and anyone with a brain would assume the Padawans would have turned on Kun. What Kun actually did was lie to the Jedi, who were actually Jedi Knights, saying that "(Odan-Urr) was ancient and it was his time. But before he left, he gave me a gift... a rare Holocron. He said it was a fitting present for a Jedi Master. I am a Jedi Master. Odan-Urr has passed his flame to me."
Putting aside that I think that such a lie is a tremendous demonstration of Kun's ability to sway people, I'd have to say that the gamebanshee site is not a completely trustworthy source. They play hard and loose with the facts and they take their summarizing too far, cutting out other key things.
Bottom line, Kun takes this fight, showing Nadd who the real "pretender" to the Sith legacy is.
How does Kun take this? I see no real evidence for it at least not in your post.
But still what Darkstar quoted is the ingame description of the weapon incorrect as it may be its still there. But does it really matter, if Nadd killed Sadow or not? The fact does he remain he did defeat him. And he did kill a shit load of Jedi with a blaster.
A freaking blaster, its incredibly hard to do that. If not impossible. Yet Nadd pulled it off and not just one of them, but a lot of them.
Why do you guys keep saying it was done with only a blaster? He had a lightsaber with him. He also had the force. Onderon was a military world, but Coruscant was the heart of the Republic. Exar walked onto Coruscant and froze all the Jedi except Vodo. He could have easily killed everyone, they were just standing still.
That site contradicts itself. It contradicts other sources. Does Ben and Anakin Solo finding Anakin Skywalkers lightsaber 30 years after Yavin have a higher profile with you than all the other sources that have Anakin Solo dying ~26 after the battle of Yavin? Of course you don't. Its the same way with the description of the blaster, so why should you, or anyone else believe that?