Originally posted by The True Fear
so if you are going be the same forms i can see your point. if vegeta wouldnt have transformed in the first battle i believe goku could have won soundly. and can you count vegeta in ss2 being he was controlled so it wasnt just his power. after he isnt controled he probably isnt as strong.
actually I firmly believe that goku would have soundly and utterly lost that fight anyways... goku admittedly could barely stand by the time that him and vegeta had their face off shoot out.... wehn vegeta came back he was hella pissed off and just wanted to end the thing... point is.. goku was near the end of his wick... while vegeta kept fighting and fighting and fighting... even after he got spirit bombed...
and like I said before... even though vegeta got a power up.. no one ever powered him down... again all his ss2 feats are better than goku's...
does cells power level not count either? cause nearly all his power was taken from someone else... see my point?...
cell actually blew up his own ass.i wouldnt call it luck that he can regenrate it is part of his namekian blood. i am saying it was not actually vegeta fighting goku it was majin vegeta. also goku was trying to keep a close eye on the majin sitution so it made him not go all out. this fight wasnt even close to being balls out so it cant be brought in.
And what about when vegeta admits goku is the best.
Originally posted by The True Fear
cell actually blew up his own ass.i wouldnt call it luck that he can regenrate it is part of his namekian blood. i am saying it was not actually vegeta fighting goku it was majin vegeta. also goku was trying to keep a close eye on the majin sitution so it made him not go all out. this fight wasnt even close to being balls out so it cant be brought in.
And what about when vegeta admits goku is the best.
k.... check it... lol...
cell was lucky that his cellular structure could reform his brain after it had been blown to pieces... he's lucky that his cellular reconstruction is better than namekian even though namekian's can only regrow limbs.... and he's VERY lucky he went back to being perfect based simply off of memory of the power he had before... he lcuked his way through a plot hole....
anywho...
maijin vegeta was holding back as well... he even stated later that he never went all out in a fight since his first battle with goku until he went to go fight fat bu... remember he was also planning on going to fight fat bu and although the sensu beans were there he was trying to hold back some reserves for himself.... (depends on which dub/sub/translated version you watch/read) but the fact of the matter is... both were at the same intensity level and goku got bitchslapped...literally.
Originally posted by jinzin
that's why i don't go by power levels after the frieza saga.. I use feats.. it counts... you probably mean it's simply to difficult to accurately guage...
So its a feat to have your power boosted by a mad Wizard? If there was no power boost theres no way he would have beat goku on his own
And Vegeta said it himself near the end of DBZ when watching goku fighting kid buu, he finally admits that Goku has always been better than he is despite the fact he is a prince and goku is a commoner
Originally posted by jinzin
yes it's true vegeta needed to be majin for the power boost.. however you seem to think that since he was given the boost he didn't retain the power.... or that his power in that form doesn't count...not accurate at all... no one ever powered him down.. and he was easily able to go into ss2 after he died... every one of his feats as an ss2 is more impressive than gokus... this includes his fights with ss2 goku, kid bu, jenemba.. and especially hildigarn... (depending on how you take your canon material...)
Goku and Vegeta (Majin form) were stated dead even..... Vegeta (Reg. SSJ2) is weaker then Goku..... Like I said SSJ2 Goku is stronger, and if you wanna count (Majin) he is even...
Originally posted by TPinaPimp
Goku and Vegeta (Majin form) were stated dead even..... Vegeta (Reg. SSJ2) is weaker then Goku..... Like I said SSJ2 Goku is stronger, and if you wanna count (Majin) he is even...
every ss2 feat would dictate otherwise..
and no.. vegeta only wanted to fight goku... killing him wasn't part of the plan... killing buu however... 馃檮
normal form-goku because the second time they metgku owned recoome easily with out breaking a sweat and goku was alot more stronger than vegeta before super saiyan
ss1-???????????
ss2- vegeta only one because of a cheap shot after goku calmed him down to asked vegeta to saved his energy and vegeta said fine then and goku turned around and vegeta chopped him right in the back of the neck. goku was also saving his true strength from vegeta also
ss3-goku
ss4-goku because vegeta only got to it because of bulma's machine
Originally posted by jinzin
every ss2 feat would dictate otherwise..and no.. vegeta only wanted to fight goku... killing him wasn't part of the plan... killing buu however... 馃檮
Every other SSj2 feat? Please tell me of these feats, oh and I don't wanna hear any noncanon crap either....
ALso were you not paying attention Goku and Vegeta's powers were stated even.... and Vegeta didn't care about Buu, he cared about killng Goku.
yea he did care about killing buu because he was jealous of goku for killing frieza and gohan for killing cell and vegeta didnt want goku dead he just wanted to fight him so he could finally prove he was stronger then goku. vegeta aint even to goku in ssj2. vegeta found out that goku wasnt giving it everything he got when he found out goku made it to super saiyan 3. vegeta was only that strong because of the majin spell