Originally posted by P-Geyser😆 Calm down hothead. The real question should be "When has brainchild ever accused anybody of saying that?" I'm just commenting on how Terry fans(take that as a generalization, I don't know every Terry fan on Earth) seem to whine about how Terry should rival Ryu. Fact is he doesn't and nobody important(Capcom/SNK) cares about who some fans think should rival Capcom's main man. Kyo and Ken are Ryu's rivals as shown by the pre-fight animations.
That has to be the most f**king ignorant statement I have ever heard from you. When has anyone ever said KEN WAS NOT WORTHY!!?
Originally posted by P-GeyserI think Ken beats Terry. That's how I see it. You'd rather me lie to you?
You and a few other's seem to really like to say "Ken beats on Terry" and overlooks him and whatnot so really it's not that different from us backing up Terry.
Originally posted by P-GeyserI'll believe that the moment I see Ash used to rival Ryu in a crossover series. They'll always use their main guy for those. That main guy will likely always be Kyo. Alba and Soiree just don't have what it takes to replace Kyo and Iori. And Kyo doesn't get by w/just the flames. Look @ Shingo. It's the combo of his skills AND the flames that put Kyo where he is. If Kyo didn't have any skills, Iori would simply walk through him when they knuckle. About Kyo/Ryu: Would it make sense for SNK to put anybody other than their star to face Capcom's star?
"Terry fans hate Kyo not because he's a bad character, but because he stole the spotlight from Terry and never gave it back(Never going to either)."Nope...well in the beginning I hated Kyo for that reason but the real reason is anyone who know's Kyo the only reason he "got by" was because of his ability to use crimson flames not his martial arts skills..and like I always have to reapeat myself the only reason Kyo was paired with Ryu was because KOF is playmore's FLAGSHIP SERIES! and now Ash stole Kyo's soptlight
Originally posted by P-GeyserYou have a right to think that of course, but I'd like to know why you think that? Who do you think Ken should have rivaled with?
"He could just be Guile's rival(This would've been cool though because Ken Vs Iori would f**king rock!!!!!!) Truth is, Ken just ain't losing to anybody that's not Ryu Level or higher."Ken vs Iori would be the worst match...worse than Ryu vs Kyo IMO.
Originally posted by P-GeyserNah. Not really. My gripe hasn't really ever been w/Terry himself. I mainly didn't like those movies and the effect they had on some of his fans. I didn't like his pre-MOTW design much either. MOTW Terry is actually pretty cool though and he trained my favorite SNK character(It's kind of a tie between Rock & Iori). Just because I don't think Terry can beat everybody up doesn't mean I'm anti-Terry. The only character I'm "anti" is Ash. Oh I forgot. A diehard Kyo fan might reply to one of your statements like this
"Terry doesn't really fall into that category. He'd probably do just enough to make Ken get serious & put the hurt on him. Dan & Sean are the only "Shotos" Terry can beat up. He'd beat the hell outta the fakes though(Ryo, Normal Mr.Karate). He'd pretty much run things as far as the fighters under Kyo & Iori Level go, beathing the s**t outta Ryo, Andy, Joe, & all the rest(Not including Rock). Kim might give him some trouble."That whole statement there shows you really know nothing of The Lone Wolf. You really seem to be an Anti-Terry poster to the max...I am not trying to say thats a bad thing....everyone is entitled to their opinion but I get the feeling you are stating these things as "facts".
Originally posted by P-GeyserThat whole statement there shows you really know nothing of The Scion of the Flames.
Nope...well in the beginning I hated Kyo for that reason but the real reason is anyone who know's Kyo the only reason he "got by" was because of his ability to use crimson flames not his martial arts skills.
See? That door swings both ways son.
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN😆 Big-time exaggeration! Who's ever said anything like that?
ditto... if anything.. terry is the most shit-on character on these boards "ZOMG EVERYONE PWNZ TERRRY ! LAWL SF PWNZ FF!"
Originally posted by brainchild81
It's the look. Horrible design.
Well, I guess that's what seperates us. I love his design, it was a breath of fresh air from the mediocer designs that flourished in snk. worst design IMO is orochi, why would a GOD wear khakis 😘
The only designs I liked prior to ash, was K' prime,iori,chris, and a few others.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Well, I guess that's what seperates us. I love his design, it was a breath of fresh air from the mediocer designs that flourished in snk. worst design IMO is orochi, why would a GOD wear khakis 😘The only designs I liked prior to ash, was K' prime,iori,chris, and a few others.
cuz he was housed in chris' body.. and chris wore khakis? 😑
"I think Ken beats Terry. That's how I see it. You'd rather me lie to you?"
No but thats your opinion right?...the same is when I think Terry beats Ken.
"That main guy will likely always be Kyo. Alba and Soiree just don't have what it takes to replace Kyo and Iori. And Kyo doesn't get by w/just the flames. Look @ Shingo. It's the combo of his skills AND the flames that put Kyo where he is. If Kyo didn't have any skills, Iori would simply walk through him when they knuckle."
Not really. Even though you dont like Alba, he is the main character in KOF MI 1&2....In Neo Geo Battle Coliseum, Kyo is NOT the main man either....so it seems Kyo's main man status is wearing thin. Kyo has martial arts knowledge I will give you that. It's just that it's not in the same leauge as Terry, Ryu, Ken, Ryo.
"About Kyo/Ryu: Would it make sense for SNK to put anybody other than their star to face Capcom's star?"
This is where I believe SNK(now playmore) messed up with Kyo being paired with Ryu. It's making SNK look weaker. Seeing as how Ryu has lightyears of experience over Kyo...if you go to alot of the fighting game forums around the net, most people see Ryu beating Kyo. The thing is about SNK as you know they change main characters...even though Athena was first the name KOF started with Terry(well actually Geese)and Terry and FF was created to go head on with Ryu and SF...Kyo got by beacause SNK wanted to created a new character in 94 that appeared BOTH FF and AOF characters that's why it blew up the way it did. Sh!t back on the topic...yeah it makes sense to for any company to put there main star...but SNK keeps changing characters. Terry though will always be SNK's OG fighting game hero...even frank of fighter's generation agrees to this.
"You have a right to think that of course, but I'd like to know why you think that? Who do you think Ken should have rivaled with?"
You got me there it's MY OPINION. I just dont think Ken vs Iori is appealing. I was cool with Terry vs Ken...though Ken vs Kyo would be a better pairing, because they share some simularity's...though Terry does with Ken as well.
"That whole statement there shows you really know nothing of The Scion of the Flames.
See? That door swings both ways son."
Trust me I know about Kyo Kusanagi. What you hate about Terry because of the anime deal...I can turn around and state that people overrate Kyo because they say "Kyo is powerful and uses crimson flames and he is stronger than Terry and Ryo" when in fact he NEVER officially fought them and if you read playmores website, they say Kyo was there to "hold his own" not best Terry and Ryo. Kyo's destiny is to seal Orochi with the help of Iori and Chizuri and that's it because as you would know the flames of Kusanagi and Yagami and the mirror of Kugura
can harm Orochi....that does not mean that Kyo is the greatest fighter as some people seem to imply...yeah so the doors do swing both ways kid.
Originally posted by shin_remy
a little story about the past :Street Fighter 2 : Ryu was popular in Japan
in the meantime Fatal Fury was also released and Terry was popular in America,
Cause Terry was a American and Ryu a Japanese.
So they start to rival each other. but about some time, it was Ken who became popular in America and Ken and Terry began to rival!!
In my Opinion it would be this :
Ryu vs Terry : the Current Ryu wins, reason he is training now under Oro, so will become very powerfull and Terry doesn't train anymore!!
Ken vs Terry : MOst of the times draw, they both don't train really anymore, but i believe that Terry can win from KEn but that i see chances for Ken also to take a win
Terry doesnt Train wtf?!?! then how do you explain all the new moves hes perfected?! Hes had Power Force ( which is the orginal version of Rock's shinning kunckle), power stream (KOF 2003), and Buster wolf, and even learned Geeses DEADLY RAVE (renamed rising beat). Thats your opinion. So dont act like its fact. he still trains obviously.
Damn, 2D!! Ain't seen you here in a while. How've you been? SNK/Cap Chaos pt 4 come out yet?
Originally posted by P-GeyserYeah. That's the point. That's why I said "I think". If I'm stating something as fact I'll put "& that's a fact". Example: Ash Crimson is one of the gayest looking character designs I've ever seen & that's a fact 🙂
No but thats your opinion right?...
Originally posted by P-GeyserDepends on how you look @ it. Notice how Ash, Alba & Soiree ain't in NGBC? Kyo is so so much for them. NGBC is Yuki's thing as KOF was Kyo's. Kyo went on to become SNK's main guy and the one who would represent them Vs Ryu. If they make any more crosscompany games w/Capcom, it's a safe bet the chosen one will again be Kyo. Not Yuki(still kinda cool), Ash(that effeminate sh*t don't fly in the states), or Alba(heard that he's Falcoon w/longer hair or something like that so f**k Falcoon & f**k Alba 🙂 )
Not really. Even though you dont like Alba, he is the main character in KOF MI 1&2....In Neo Geo Battle Coliseum, Kyo is NOT the main man either....so it seems Kyo's main man status is wearing thin.
Originally posted by P-GeyserHe apparently doesn't need to be. He knows what works. Many Martial Arts are overrated anyway. He knows enough that when you combine it w/the flames he kicks @$$. I think he'd get by Terry and he'd kill Ryo. I forgot, I'm "anti" 2 characters, Ash & Ryo. Ryo's lame as hell and needs to be offed. I notice how they left his nut @$$ out of KOF: Another Day. Good move IMO. Even in the comics he was getting schooled by Mingon Bert. He's a loser. Kyo would smoke the s**t out of him. You got all the Maniax books yet PG?
Kyo has martial arts knowledge I will give you that. It's just that it's not in the same leauge as Terry, Ryu, Ken, Ryo.
Originally posted by P-GeyserCome on now though. Ryu is THE OG fighting game hero. There's not many you can throw @ him that he won't beat. Most people seem to see Ryu beating Terry also. @least w/Kyo you get his popularity to the table.
This is where I believe SNK(now playmore) messed up with Kyo being paired with Ryu. It's making SNK look weaker. Seeing as how Ryu has lightyears of experience over Kyo...if you go to alot of the fighting game forums around the net, most people see Ryu beating Kyo.
Originally posted by P-GeyserAnd Kyo will always represent SNK in the main event. Frankie also agrees that Iori and Kyo are badasses even though he loves Terry.
The thing is about SNK as you know they change main characters...even though Athena was first the name KOF started with Terry(well actually Geese)and Terry and FF was created to go head on with Ryu and SF...Kyo got by beacause SNK wanted to created a new character in 94 that appeared BOTH FF and AOF characters that's why it blew up the way it did. Sh!t back on the topic...yeah it makes sense to for any company to put there main star...but SNK keeps changing characters. Terry though will always be SNK's OG fighting game hero...even frank of fighter's generation agrees to this.
Originally posted by P-GeyserKen/Kyo'd be great, but you need a star to fight a star.
You got me there it's MY OPINION. I just dont think Ken vs Iori is appealing. I was cool with Terry vs Ken...though Ken vs Kyo would be a better pairing, because they share some simularity's...though Terry does with Ken as well.
Originally posted by P-GeyserDon't hate him. I just know he's overrated by many because of that movie. Read DOF or Swedish Bum's stuff and you'll see. I hate Ryo & Ash. & they're both moveset thiefs.
What you hate about Terry because of the anime deal...
Originally posted by P-GeyserGot a link to that site? Kyo's team has won many KOFs though. AOF team hasn't won any I think, so that means his whole team is getting beat up right? Same for FF team. It's worse w/Ryo though. They claim their style is the best & they got 3 mofos on the same team using it. They still get knocked the f**k out each time 😆
I can turn around and state that people overrate Kyo because they say "Kyo is powerful and uses crimson flames and he is stronger than Terry and Ryo" when in fact he NEVER officially fought them and if you read playmores website, they say Kyo was there to "hold his own" not best Terry and Ryo.
Originally posted by P-GeyserI know he's not the greatest fighter, but he's beating up anybody that's not Iori level or higher. I think Terry and Ryo fall into that category below Iori. There's no reason to get angry about it. These are just sprites on a screen.
Kyo's destiny is to seal Orochi with the help of Iori and Chizuri and that's it because as you would know the flames of Kusanagi and Yagami and the mirror of Kugura
can harm Orochi....that does not mean that Kyo is the greatest fighter as some people seem to imply...yeah so the doors do swing both ways kid.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Damn, 2D!! Ain't seen you here in a while. How've you been? .
Doing good man, I cant stand it when people ragg on Terry WITHOUT knowing his story. You and P-geyser still butting heads I see. I see Terry winning this becuase Terry got a freaking arsenal of moves to choose from. Power stream will rock Kens world, IMO.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTERIt's all in good fun though. PG just gets a lil' heated someimes.
Doing good man, I cant stand it when people ragg on Terry WITHOUT knowing his story. You and P-geyser still butting heads I see.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTERP-stream(remind me never to call it that again) has to have a built up bar though. Probably wouldn't get the chance. Ken's got the superior non Super moveset. P-wave = Hadoken but Shoryuken >> Rising Tackle or Burn Knuckle or Crackshoot
I see Terry winning this becuase Terry got a freaking arsenal of moves to choose from. Power stream will rock Kens world, IMO.
Originally posted by brainchild81
It's all in good fun though. PG just gets a lil' heated someimes. P-stream(remind me never to call it that again) has to have a built up bar though. Probably wouldn't get the chance. Ken's got the superior non Super moveset. P-wave = Hadoken but Shoryuken >> Rising Tackle or Burn Knuckle or Crackshoot
Shoryuken >> Rising Tackle or Burn Knuckle or Crackshoot . you got that mostly right. But Burnknuckle beats it. PLay SVC OR CVS 2? Burn knuckle beats it. and as for a shoryken, its easy to miss , coz short distance, I like to make Ryu and Ken players miss and hit them with a rising tackle or crack shot ON THE WAY down.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Burn Knuckle is kinda telegraphed though. I usually just fireball them in the face or if I don't have time, block it and throw terry afterwards B.Knuckle beating Dragon Punch? I'll have to see it to believe it. Jab Shoryuken is a sneaky move though. Comes down alot faster.
Man id love to show you how a burn knuckle can beat a dragon punch man. Kens my favorite SF character, while Terry is my fav SNK character, I am pretty good with them both. Just have to have the correct timing. Youre right about burn knuckle though, easily countered with a GOOD Ryu or ken player, IF NOT USED RIGHT. Anohter move that works well VS ryu and Ken is a power dunk, RYU and Kens players LOVE to throw hadoukens and it makes it easy to predict when they will throw one, if you do a power drunk the downward punch comes down on thier heads nicely.
He jumps right over the fireball all the time?
Originally posted by brainchild81
Rising beat sounds corny. Only Howards should have Deadly Rave type moves. I'm gonna write SNK an angry letter 🙂
Originally posted by 2D_MASTERGeese’s D.R. is honestly the least cool looking. Rock’s NDR looks cool as hell on CVS2(Never could pull it off in MOTW ‘cause of the awkward commands) The screen goes black and he does a multihit energy ball right in your nose and it makes the opponent spin through the air. Is SVC the 1st game Terry used it in? Same motion as Rock/Geese? I never played it much 'cause it's not as good as CVS2
Sounds cheesy. but looks awesome. Instead of a weak power blast from Geese's palms, the screen turned black for a second and Terry does a Buster wolf right in your face. I actually think that the move kicks as. I like playing SVC for that reason. PLus that move will be in KOF MI 2. Ohhh yeahhh....
All I can say is what I have said before in the fact that I agree with Ash.
"Depends on how you look @ it. Notice how Ash, Alba & Soiree ain't in NGBC? Kyo is so so much for them. NGBC is Yuki's thing as KOF was Kyo's. Kyo went on to become SNK's main guy and the one who would represent them Vs Ryu. If they make any more crosscompany games w/Capcom, it's a safe bet the chosen one will again be Kyo. Not Yuki(still kinda cool), Ash(that effeminate sh*t don't fly in the states), or Alba(heard that he's Falcoon w/longer hair or something like that so f**k Falcoon & f**k Alba )"
Can you really be sure about that?....Kyo was Ryu's rival in SvC and CvS 2...even though you hate the card game Terry was the front man not Kyo. Plus I remember showing you a couple of images where Terry was paired with Ryu meaning that Terry can sure as hell rival Ryu.
As for Falcoon...now you finally understand what I am talking about...I like Alba though but hate Ash.
"He apparently doesn't need to be. He knows what works. Many Martial Arts are overrated anyway. He knows enough that when you combine it w/the flames he kicks @$$. I think he'd get by Terry and he'd kill Ryo. I forgot, I'm "anti" 2 characters, Ash & Ryo. Ryo's lame as hell and needs to be offed. I notice how they left his nut @$$ out of KOF: Another Day. Good move IMO. Even in the comics he was getting schooled by Mingon Bert. He's a loser. Kyo would smoke the s**t out of him. You got all the Maniax books yet PG?"
Well I really dont think he would defeat Terry...as for the Ryo comment I think you are underestamting Ryo a tad bit...My freind knows alot about him and he would give a history lesson on him. Yes I got the Maniax comics...have all of the issues execpt the last. I like it.
"Come on now though. Ryu is THE OG fighting game hero. There's not many you can throw @ him that he won't beat. Most people seem to see Ryu beating Terry also. @least w/Kyo you get his popularity to the table."
Ryu is the OG fighting game hero I agree 100% with that. Type in Ryu vs Terry on the net and you will be suprised at what you see. It's only here at Killermovies that Ryu seems to own everybody. Kyo makes it
"And Kyo will always represent SNK in the main event. Frankie also agrees that Iori and Kyo are badasses even though he loves Terry."
Not to sure about that as I have stated before. Even though Frank thinks Kyo and Iori are badasses, I asked him on Terry going against either one and he stated Terry.
"Don't hate him. I just know he's overrated by many because of that movie. Read DOF or Swedish Bum's stuff and you'll see. I hate Ryo & Ash. & they're both moveset thiefs."
Go around to many sites involving Kyo...many seem to Overrate him because he is the star of KOF, he owns all and that he beat a god when in fact he did not win that feat single handidly.
"I know he's not the greatest fighter, but he's beating up anybody that's not Iori level or higher. I think Terry and Ryo fall into that category below Iori. There's no reason to get angry about it. These are just sprites on a screen."
Believe me many people new to KOF think Kyo can walk on water. I seriously doubt one on one he can deafeat Terry or Ryo...but I believe he will beat Iori...he is so obessesed with Kyo(well not as much now).
I am trying to send the link but it's giving me a hard time...I have to make a correction the Playmore site gives a breif bio on how the characters were created when stating Kyo was their to hold his OWN not to be stronger or better than Terry.
Kaliu Lantis creator of the KOF faqs stated that his storyline for KOF is not completley accurate...just that he used alot of his judgement.
Well about the angry part...wouldnt you be a little miffed if somebody was talking smack about Rock Howard?...I know people who go apeshit when somebody talks about Ryu. So I think people tend to be sensitive when others are degrading their favorite characters....I admit I suffer from this and trying to work on it 😉