I have to contribute to this, I LOVED both Spider-Man movies. I'll admit, it's not exactly like the comics, but they were still good. OMG, he has organic webs! Destroy the cinemas! Put a curse on whoever was involved in the movies! Jeebus, it's almost as bad as people complaining about Pete having blue eyes. And now, when people who label the movies 'Man-Spider' read this post, they'll call me a 'bad fan' for 'accepting' things that make the movies 'horrible'. I have an open mind, I can accept changes. Alright, I'm done. FLAME AWAY!
EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm with Bakerboy, the classics are the best.
Originally posted by Drache53
I have to contribute to this, I LOVED both Spider-Man movies. I'll admit, it's not exactly like the comics, but they were still good. OMG, he has organic webs! Destroy the cinemas! Put a curse on whoever was involved in the movies! Jeebus, it's almost as bad as people complaining about Pete having blue eyes. And now, when people who label the movies 'Man-Spider' read this post, they'll call me a 'bad fan' for 'accepting' things that make the movies 'horrible'. I have an open mind, I can accept changes. Alright, I'm done. FLAME AWAY!EDIT: Oh yeah, I'm with Bakerboy, the classics are the best.
actually no they were NOT good.they were crap.thats incredibly stupid to say that people complaining about organics is on the same level as someone complaining about him having blue eyes instead of brown.the difference in those is like night and day,worlds apart.yeah your a bad fan because its sad that you dont care about sony raping to death his character like they did.if they are going to give him organics,might as well not stop there,might as well give him 8 arms while they are at it.there is a difference between accept changes,Im all for changes just as long as the changes are reasonable but organics are just plain stupid and they just dumb down his character.as I have said before many times,Peter dating mj before betty brant like he did in the comics=reasonable change,organics=moronic change.
there is a huge difference between accpeting change and pointless and stupid change and thats what organics are as any GOOD fan would know. 😄
Any good fanBOY maybe. I hope they do give him eight arms in the next movie, so they can call it Man-Spider and make you the happiest FAN on earth. And I never said I didn't care, I NEVER said that. I've said before I don't completely agree with it, but it makes some sense. Just like the power ranger Goblin costume. What multi-billion dollar company owner would say to himself when picking a costume: "Hm, maybe I'll go out and buy some purple clothes and a green mask so I can look like a little goblin."
"thats incredibly stupid to say that people complaining about organics is on the same level as someone complaining about him having blue eyes instead of brown"
I did not say it was on the SAME level, I said it was almost bad. This is exactly what I said: "Jeebus, it's almost as bad as people complaining about Pete having blue eyes." Ya see that? ALMOST. I love how you people take what I say and contort it to fit your own needs, so you can make me look like a dumbass. Also, I'd bet $100 that Marvel was somehow planning on giving Pete organics in the comics anyway. Whatever, I'd like to end this now, you obviously despise the movies, and think I'm a bad person/fan for liking them. And I think you're totally overreacting over the whole organics thing. The Goblin I'll go with you on to an extent, what the hell were they thinking? But please, let's just agree to disagree, cause this is the 2nd time we've been in this argument.
Originally posted by Drache53
Any good fanBOY maybe. I hope they do give him eight arms in the next movie, so they can call it Man-Spider and make you the happiest FAN on earth. And I never said I didn't care, I NEVER said that. I've said before I don't completely agree with it, but it makes some sense. Just like the power ranger Goblin costume. What multi-billion dollar company owner would say to himself when picking a costume: "Hm, maybe I'll go out and buy some purple clothes and a green mask so I can look like a little goblin.""thats incredibly stupid to say that people complaining about organics is on the same level as someone complaining about him having blue eyes instead of brown"
I did not say it was on the SAME level, I said it was almost bad. This is exactly what I said: "Jeebus, it's almost as bad as people complaining about Pete having blue eyes." Ya see that? ALMOST. I love how you people take what I say and contort it to fit your own needs, so you can make me look like a dumbass. Also, I'd bet $100 that Marvel was somehow planning on giving Pete organics in the comics anyway. Whatever, I'd like to end this now, you obviously despise the movies, and think I'm a bad person/fan for liking them. And I think you're totally overreacting over the whole organics thing. The Goblin I'll go with you on to an extent, what the hell were they thinking? But please, let's just agree to disagree, cause this is the 2nd time we've been in this argument.
Well when Norman snaps and goes crazy and decides to use the goblin costume for his own personal use his sound reasoning would go with him.At that point it would not be unreasonable to go out and get purple clothes and boots ect to want to look like a goblin.and thats STILL stupid to say thats its almost as bad as complaining about organics as it is for someone to complain about the blue eye/brown eye thing.its justified to complain about organics,the brown eyes thing would not be justified because again the difference is like night and day.even though you did say it was almost as stupid,so what,its STILL an incredibly stupid thing to say. okay thats fine with me to end it,either you see that he is a manspider and got logic or you dont got logic and dont see it,simple enough.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
while you are at it you need to add on your precious spider-man one and spider-man two and batman 89 as well as movies that are very bad movies. 🙄
Here's something for you to think about.
If you reckon Batman 89,Batman Returns and Spider-Man 1&2 are so bad then why did they make more money than Batman Begins and why do the critics and fans love them too???
Originally posted by Doc Ock
Here's something for you to think about.If you reckon Batman 89,Batman Returns and Spider-Man 1&2 are so bad then why did they make more money than Batman Begins and why do the critics and fans love them too???
Thats something I dont need to think about Doc.Thats an easy one to answer.Batman Begins already had 4 batman movies made prior to it so the need for kids to want to go to the theater and see it wasnt anywhere near as great as it was back in 89 since they could easily pop in a batman movie whenever they wanted to this summer and watch a batman movie and as I stated here in the batman section back in the summer when I made a thread about batman begins,I stated in that thread that since it looked like they were FINALLY making a batman movie that did the character of batman justice and bat fans were finally getting a great batman movie,I was worried that batman begins would do poorly at the box office because it was horribly marketed unlike batman 89,spider-man one and spider-man two were.Those films were brilliantly marketed which was a huge part of their success. Spidey never had had a film made before and not just fans but movie goers as well had been waiting for ages for a spidey film to be made because there had been talk of it for over a decade.and as we have discussed before,without spideys already huge built in audience it already had,no way is it the blockbuster success it was at the box office just like the phantom menace would never have been the blockbuster at the box office it was without its already established well built in fan base it had.
and thats just it,as I pointed out to you before in our pm conversation,the fanbase is split down the middle on the movies because of the organics,spiderman one would easily have been the biggest blockbuster of all time and beat titanic at the box office if not for the organics,but they pissed off the fanbase and lost thousands of fans out there such as the many many tons of posters at the now defunt site NO ORGANIC WEBSHOOTERS.COM I have told you about before. also,the majority of the critics around the country that gave it good reviews only gave it 3 stars where superman one and two got 4 stars when it came out so i seriously doubt they thought it was a magical movie like superman one and two are even though they liked it.the people like alex ross who has bashed this movie big time before and roger ebert as well-he did for the first one anyways,are the kind of critics that know what they are talking about and i can take seriously.while were talking aabout that,think about this,batman begins didnt get near as praise that it deserved in the papers than batman 89 did. but we agree that it is much better than sm 1 and 2 and batman 89 though,think about that. 😉
The only good batman film was batman begins, the rest was pure crap, as the man spider movies.
About the box office issue, as mr parker has said very well, batman begins have four movies before in 6 years. Star wars and james bond are totally different cases. Star wars has the most powerful fan base ever, and there are 16 years between the end of the first triology and the start of the new triology. Its pretty ovious that the fanboys could break the box office to see the origin of darth vader and company. The first bond movies with sean connery did so well until you only live twice. Because of that they replaced connery with lazenby. The movie sucked in the box office. They bring back connery and the movie worked decent. Conney didnt want to do more bond movies and they replaced him with moore, who was pretty decent in the box office but not spectacular. Then tim dalton, who was a ruin for the box office.And at last brosnan, who was spectacular in the box office. But there are a difference between the last dalton movie and the first brosnan movie of 6 years. The first two brosnan movies worked pretty well in the box office, the another two not. Also, batman begins was poorly promoted by warner bross, some people even didnt notice that a new batman movie was made until its release.
Originally posted by bakerboy
The only good batman film was batman begins, the rest was pure crap, as the man spider movies.About the box office issue, as mr parker has said very well, batman begins have four movies before in 6 years. Star wars and james bond are totally different cases. Star wars has the most powerful fan base ever, and there are 16 years between the end of the first triology and the start of the new triology. Its pretty ovious that the fanboys could break the box office to see the origin of darth vader and company. The first bond movies with sean connery did so well until you only live twice. Because of that they replaced connery with lazenby. The movie sucked in the box office. They bring back connery and the movie worked decent. Conney didnt want to do more bond movies and they replaced him with moore, who was pretty decent in the box office but not spectacular. Then tim dalton, who was a ruin for the box office.And at last brosnan, who was spectacular in the box office. But there are a difference between the last dalton movie and the first brosnan movie of 6 years. The first two brosnan movies worked pretty well in the box office, the another two not. Also, batman begins was poorly promoted by warner bross, some people even didnt notice that a new batman movie was made until its release.
You hate and despise SPIDER-MAN movies yet you cannot stop talking about them...you're posts are too long, can you summarize for others
Originally posted by Evil SeeD
Good point....and the fact that batman failed miserably anyways. The only good batman is batman returns (in my opinion) The rest are just a bunch of crap. Who ever wrote them clearly had something els on their mind.
Like I said,that was my worst fear that Batman Begins would not do well at the box office because it was so horribly promoted.It wasnt anywhere near as well promoted as Batman 89,the manspider movies or Revenge of the sith was and sith and those movies of course made much more money at the box office than Begins did. As I mentioned before,a huge part of the success of Batman 89 and the manspider movies was they were brilliantly marketed with year long campaigns promoting it,starting with trailers for it in the theaters a year before its release,and posters already in theaters a year before its release.Batman Begins didnt really start promoting till 6 months before it was released.Huge difference there.Marketing made all the difference in the world for the box office success of those movies and the failure of Batman Begins.Doesnt mean they are better movies than Batman Begins though or even good movies for that matter.btw,you are the first person I have ever seen say that Batman Returns was the only good Batman movie.Nice refreshing change for once,usually people ignorantly say Batman 89 was the only good Batman movie and the rest sucked,so Im glad you at least didnt say that. 😉
oh by the way,Burton when making Batman Returns was clearly confused and must have thought he was making a sequel to Beetlejuice instead of a batman sequel because the makeup he gave the penguin and made him look, looks just like the makeup Michael keaton wore in Beetlejuice.So Burton clearly had something else on his mind as well and didnt know what he was doing.Nolan was the only Batman director who knew what he was doing.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Like I said,that was my worst fear that Batman Begins would not do well at the box office because it was so horribly promoted.It wasnt anywhere near as well promoted as Batman 89,the manspider movies or Revenge of the sith was and sith and those movies of course made much more money at the box office than Begins did. As I mentioned before,a huge part of the success of Batman 89 and the manspider movies was they were brilliantly marketed with year long campaigns promoting it,starting with trailers for it in the theaters a year before its release,and posters already in theaters a year before its release.Batman Begins didnt really start promoting till 6 months before it was released.Huge difference there.Marketing made all the difference in the world for the box office success of those movies and the failure of Batman Begins.Doesnt mean they are better movies than Batman Begins though or even good movies for that matter.btw,you are the first person I have ever seen say that Batman Returns was the only good Batman movie.Nice refreshing change for once,usually people ignorantly say Batman 89 was the only good Batman movie and the rest sucked,so Im glad you at least didnt say that. 😉
Spider-man 1 & 2 were very well promoted. Trailers and Commercials were absolutely amazing.
Thats what I just said,that they were very well promoted with year long commericals and trailers which was a huge part of its box office success.Batman Begins was horribly promoted and like Bakerboy said,many people didnt even know it was in the theaters till it was released.All the pr people for Batman Begins should have been fired while all the people for the man-spider movies should have gotten raises and promoted.