Originally posted by Clovie
it is showing nine's symbol, or a symbol of number which numbers can be add into nine
the fact that there are some other, random numbers with the same symbol is just a coincidence.and I don't know anymore why am I repeating this again cry
but it's just a coincidence that the first few multyplied numbers of 9 can be added to 9 ...though although true is not the reason why it is the way it is......
Originally posted by Bardock42it is always 9 cry
but it's just a coincidence that the first few multyplied numbers of 9 can be added to 9 ...though although true is not the reason why it is the way it is......
Originally posted by Ushgarakthanks.
Bardock, Clovie is right. 11 is 1 + 1 = 2.Subtract that from the original number and you get 9.
She is right that the result is always 9.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Bardock, Clovie is right. 11 is 1 + 1 = 2.Subtract that from the original number and you get 9.
She is right that the result is always 9.
I will repeat....it'S not
22 > 2+2=4 22-4= 18 .....
Now of course you could go further and do the same with this solution...but the thing is that is just a coincidental thing multiplications of nine have to till 10....
Ther real thing is:
xy > x+y=z xy-z=a
a = 9*n n being a number between 0 and 10
That the sum of this numbers is 9 if only added often enough is in not saying why this calculation works...I am sorry.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Bardock... dearie me.18? 1 8 = 9! That is no coincidence.
That's the simplest way of how it works. The answer simply comes down to 9s. They just need to make evry multiple of 9 give the correct symbol because any input you give will end up as one.
Clovie was right and you are being needlessly obtuse.
Every possible calculation will come to either
9, 18, 27, 36, 45, 54, 63, 72 or 81 ....try it for yourself...and since those are multipliers of 9 there som coincidently will be 9 ...
It's not coincidence at all, though. It is, in fact, the way around that the puzzle is designed Clovie was saying all answers came down to 9 and you said she was wrong and she is not.
Seriously, you've made a right mess out of this issue! I can't believe someone trying to explain it would be so obscure about it. You're certainly no teacher.
What you have failed to spot is that this puzzle actually originated in guessing the number nine. The important point is that they add up to 9, not that they are multipliers. You have it backwards.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Bardock42 on this one.
*sigh
Bardock42 seems to be the only here right who seems to be getting the terms proper.
We'll take 41 for example.
4 1 = 5
41 - 5 = 36
36 NOT 9
36 is multiplier of 9
So, no you can't say ALL the numbers add up to nine.(which is inherently wrong statement) You can say all the two digit numbers,when the digits are added then subtracted from the original number add up to a multiplier of nine. And you will notice that all the other numbers with the correct symbol are also multipliers of nine.
We are NOT being obtuse. We are being precise and correct. Math is'nt forgiving.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's not coincidence at all, though. It is, in fact, the way around that the puzzle is designed Clovie was saying all answers came down to 9 and you said she was wrong and she is not.Seriously, you've made a right mess out of this issue! I can't believe someone trying to explain it would be so obscure about it. You're certainly no teacher.
What you have failed to spot is that this puzzle actually originated in guessing the number nine. The important point is that they add up to 9, not that they are multipliers. You have it backwards.
Hmm...I have to think aboot it...you are certainly right I am no teacher...at all.....
But I am pretty sure that you can't really argue much mathematically by ussing the sums of a number.....it all comes down to the number nine in the end....but I believe that it is the way it is not because 18 and 27 when added are nine bujt because they are the multiplication of 9.....
[edit] Just to add thios, I misunderstood here in the begionning....when I understood what she meant I said she was right to some extend but I do not believe that this is the actual reason whiy thios puzzle works.
Jesus.
Whatever number you select, it asks you to add the digits, then subtract them from the original number.
56: 5+6=11. 56-11=45
The mathematics of this ensures that the answer will always be a multiple of nine.
All the mulitples of nine are represented by a changing, but consistent symbol.
You will always get that symbol.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes but the thing is that every multiple of 9 up to 90 if added again is 9....I mean that is right..it'S just not a mathematical explaination.....
That's true, but it doesn't matter for the purposes of this.
Unless they asked you to add the two digits of the new number, in which case they would predict the symbol on the number 9.
Originally posted by Ushgarakcontact my agent for those.
You can send me sexy pics of yourself as payment...
Originally posted by jerlark386but 3+6=9 cry
I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Bardock42 on this one.
*sigh
Bardock42 seems to be the only here right who seems to be getting the terms proper.We'll take 41 for example.
4 1 = 5
41 - 5 = 36
36 NOT 9
36 is multiplier of 9So, no you can't say ALL the numbers add up to nine.(which is inherently wrong statement) You can say all the two digit numbers,when the digits are added then subtracted from the original number add up to a multiplier of nine. And you will notice that all the other numbers with the correct symbol are also multipliers of nine.
We are NOT being obtuse. We are being precise and correct. Math is'nt forgiving.
The whole point of the mind reader is to perform the task off adding two digits then subtracting from the original to get a !!!MULTIPLE!!! of 9. Then have all multiples of 9 have the same symbol, so the person not noticing this, actually thinks the crystal ball is reading his/her mind.
Notice, the instructions do not say add two digits from a two digit number then subtract from the original until you get a number that when the digits are added equals nine. It would just be too obvious.
Ofcourse when you repeat the instructions far enough, you get nine
ex.
41
4+1 = 5
41 - 5 = 36
3 + 6 = 9
36 - 9 = 27
2+ 7 = 9
27 - 9 = 18
1 + 8 = 9
18 - 9 = 9
And this is the mathematical heart of the scheme.
But thats not WHY the crystal ball works.
The deception, trickery part of it, is from the multiples.
There is a difference between why and how.
MULTIPLES of nine. Thats the whole point of the game.
End of Story! Done. Discussion is over.