Originally posted by Khellendros
Couple things. Dropping the symbiote might get Venom through the sonic shield, but the laser light sheild disintegrates matter. That shield that he forced his way through before fighting Wolverine? That was just electro-shocking him. flesh disintegrating shield >> electro-shocking field. I'm pretty sure it counts as a win if the flesh has been melted off the front of your opponent's body.Also, Long is right. Her powers carry an immunity to damaging light
and sound. Touching her own forecefield won't hurt her.Honestly though, I'm not leaning towards either. I do think it's kinda f*cked up that Venom can work through his two vulnerabilities like that, but a scream that can shatter/liquefy steel beams should still do some damage, since durability is limited to under Cage level. Still, I haven't seen an utterly convincing argument for the forecefield(s) keeping particles-o-Venom out.
or one that says how i couldn't come from underground... anywho.. it really matters not if the forecfield disintegrates matter... if i choose to puncture through it with my energy claws what's going to stop me? nothing... ST still dies...
things aren't changing in that reguard...
Originally posted by Khellendros
And why are adamantium claws going to be able to slice through a shield that is more or less made of solid light again?
which again is confusing.... venom's already dealt with solid light attacks.. what makes this shield any better?
Originally posted by long pig
They never were illegal to use.Darkhawk's shield has always been front only.
not new darkhawk.. it covers his entire body...
Originally posted by long pig
Shocktopus wants to fight both you losers at the same time.
you know you fear THE BIG KAHUNA....
Originally posted by Khellendros
Also: like SO MANY other things, healing factors are toned down too. So burning the whol front of your body off will be a lasting injury.EDIT: And Wolverine feats aren't valid for Sabretooth anyways.
wolverine can be used as a basic outliner..
we know that physically in every way sabretooth>>>>> wolverine...
thus if wolverine has done an impressive feat that wasn't contingent on his intelligence or personality... it applies as an outliner for what sabretooth can also do.. but because sabretooth is superior.. it is assumed he can also do more...
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine can be used as a basic outliner..we know that physically in every way sabretooth>>>>> wolverine...
thus if wolverine has done an impressive feat that wasn't contingent on his intelligence or personality... it applies as an outliner for what sabretooth can also do.. but because sabretooth is superior.. it is assumed he can also do more...
EDIT: And her shields have been shown to stop energy as well, so I'm not entirely sure energy claws will work either.
Originally posted by Khellendros
Wow, do you really believe that? They are completely different. Personality, fighting style, body size. Their healing factors are on different levels. Hell, for all you know, their healing factors could work differently since as of Agent X, it's been shown that certain healing factors are psi-based.EDIT: And her shields have been shown to stop energy as well, so I'm not entirely sure energy claws will work either.
personality.. isn't a physical trait
fighting style... is based on experience and personality.. other non physical traits...
body size is.. but only proves my case..
wolverine's fast/ sabes' faster
wolverine's strong/ sabes is much much stronger
wolverine's got a healing factor/ sabes got a better one (as proven)
wolverine's got adamantium claws/ sabes does too.. but he's also got super strength to back them up...
thus if wolverine's dodged something.. sabes has the same speed to be able to.
if wolverine's survived something... sabes would also do so with ease..
if wolverine cut through something... sabes could do THAT too with ease..
if wolverine's tracked something... sabretooth can too...
it's basically you "whatever you can do i can do better" process..... follow?
Originally posted by Khellendros
Wow, do you really believe that? They are completely different. Personality, fighting style, body size. Their healing factors are on different levels. Hell, for all you know, their healing factors could work differently since as of Agent X, it's been shown that certain healing factors are psi-based.EDIT: And her shields have been shown to stop energy as well, so I'm not entirely sure energy claws will work either.
piercing energy that takes on the attributes of wolverine's claws? 🤨
Jinzin has been doing an excellent job talking up Venom, but I'd remind everyone of the durability limit ("below Cage"😉 and the strength limit for any one pick (Class 15). Venom certainly isn't invulnerable, and if he is...then he shouldn't have been taken, and consider him toned down for the sake of the fight. That still gives him lots of leverage to debate (I'm not trying to handicap you here jin, honest, just trying to keep it fair) so things should be as fair as possible.
abosolutely no problem digi.. and I wholheartedly agree with you on this one...
but stormfront is trying to argue that he can light up half the damn world, and stop the juggernaught... if he's willing to bypass the rules for the sake of his argument.. I'm simply going to fight fire with fire..
if he wants to play by the rules, then I rend through those shields with ease.. if he wants to ignore them, then I match his overblown feats with my own... i'm simply fighting him on his own ground whatever that might be...
sabretooth on his own isn't invulnerable sure... neither is venom.. but together well... they're pretty intimidating IMO....
K, cool. I haven't been able to read everything but I just try to deal with potential problems as they come up. And technically, debating "beyond the limits" isn't illegal, even if either of you make it seem like you're better than they really are (and let's be honest, we all do that...myself included in the last tourney)....not illegal, just false rhetoric. Just trying to keep that to a minimum. Haven't monitored SF at all, but hopefully he's staying within the rules as well. And though the meshing of Siryn/Dazzler would be at least a bit beyond Cyke and possibly quite a bit more, everything else with the rules holds true for his guy.
And I hate having to step in and declare stuff, since I really just want to let the fighters duke it out with as little interference as possible. But with all the chopping powers off and 'toning down' that happened during drafting, some of it is a necesary evil.
...On a side note, I'm enjoying the fight. Siryn/Venom made me think this would be a curbstomp but Jin's been more resourceful than I figured.
Originally posted by jinzin
but stormfront is trying to argue that he can light up half the damn world, and stop the juggernaught... if he's willing to bypass the rules for the sake of his argument.. I'm simply going to fight fire with fire..
yes, i can, due to somethingc called power meshing. dazzler on normal power-levels couldn't do these things, but a dazzler with a big power boost from siryn can do these things. it is still within the rules, and this has been stated many times. also, my shields can be stronger than normal due to power meshing. digi has also said this.
look, you are a symbiote with enhanced hearing. you keep mensioning how much better sabertooth is than wolverine, but wolverine has lost to banshee due to the fact that he has enhanced hearing, but if sabertooth has better hearing than wolverine, he would be more at mercy to siryn than wolverine, and wolverine couldn't stand up. YOU ARE A SYMBIOTE WITH ENHANCED HEARING. what does that mean? anything you throw at me can be disenegrated or liquified. you can't get through my force-fields either. i can also make it impossible for you to see and hear with l;ight fog and souind absorbing.
Originally posted by stormfront13
yes, i can, due to somethingc called power meshing. dazzler on normal power-levels couldn't do these things, but a dazzler with a big power boost from siryn can do these things. it is still within the rules, and this has been stated many times. also, my shields can be stronger than normal due to power meshing. digi has also said this.look, you are a symbiote with enhanced hearing. you keep mensioning how much better sabertooth is than wolverine, but wolverine has lost to banshee due to the fact that he has enhanced hearing, but if sabertooth has better hearing than wolverine, he would be more at mercy to siryn than wolverine, and wolverine couldn't stand up. YOU ARE A SYMBIOTE WITH ENHANCED HEARING. what does that mean? anything you throw at me can be disenegrated or liquified. you can't get through my force-fields either. i can also make it impossible for you to see and hear with l;ight fog and souind absorbing.
i rest my case digi.... 🙄 be back soon to crush these even MORE pathetic arguments...
Originally posted by stormfront13
yes, i can, due to somethingc called power meshing. dazzler on normal power-levels couldn't do these things, but a dazzler with a big power boost from siryn can do these things. it is still within the rules, and this has been stated many times. also, my shields can be stronger than normal due to power meshing. digi has also said this.
Oh puh-lease.🙄
I vote for jinzin.