Superman Respect thread

Started by abhilegend119 pages

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why wasn't it?

I've yet to see a definitive retcon or story arc in which the power sharing was explicitly removed?

There was no indication that there was any power sharing between billy and mary at the time. In fact when billy transformed to captain marvel with the aid of black adam in issue 36, he directly said that "Complete recharge. My strength has returned. I'm whole again".

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/36-08.jpg

Just a few page later, you can see mary being koed in her powered form.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/36-16.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
There was no indication that there was any power sharing between billy and mary at the time. In fact when billy transformed to captain marvel with the aid of black adam in issue 36, he directly said that "Complete recharge. My strength has returned. I'm whole again".

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/36-08.jpg

Just a few page later, you can see mary being koed in her powered form.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/36-16.jpg

That doesn't mean they weren't power sharing, though. Especially when it had been established prior to that and after that that the Power of Shazam can be shared across the board willingly, or taken by force, and by Geoff Johns no less.

Perhaps he didn't do a good job of properly illustrating it in that specific issue, but that instance doesn't really allude to Johns throwing out the already established power sharing of the Marvel Family for the sake of that issue.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That doesn't mean they weren't power sharing, though. Especially when it had been established prior to that and after that that the Power of Shazam can be shared across the board willingly, or taken by force, and by Geoff Johns no less.

Perhaps he didn't do a good job of properly illustrating it in that specific issue, but that instance doesn't really allude to Johns throwing out the already established power sharing of the Marvel Family for the sake of that issue.


Are you mentioning virtue and vice? When cap took powers of mary, freddy and adam, they reverted to their mortal form. It was the same arc where kal koed cap. I'm not sure what are you trying to say here? If you are trying to say that superman koed cap with only half of his powers, then sorry boss. You've got nothing but speculations.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you mentioning virtue and vice? When cap took powers of mary, freddy and adam, they reverted to their mortal form. It was the same arc where kal koed cap. I'm not sure what are you trying to say here? If you are trying to say that superman koed cap with only half of his powers, then sorry boss. You've got nothing but speculations.

Considering the vast majority of appearances of Captain Marvel post-crisis support the power sharing aspect which was implemented into the Shazam Mythos - a critical aspect as it's been mentioned time and time again how selfless Billy was with sharing his power with his family, even though it made him weaker as Captain Marvel - I don't see why this time it wouldn't be in effect.

Similar to Superman breathing in space; there's more evidence supporting he can do so than against it or that he has issue with it. The Marvel Family power sharing dynamic has likewise been mentioned, stated, and alluded to far more times than vice versa.

And for the record, I don't think Superman sucker punching and KOing a full powered Cap with two blows is out of the realm of possibility; the opposite happened and they're portrayed as peers/equals more often than not.

I just find it odd that they'd throw out the power sharing in that single issue and then go back to using it just for something like that. Though, hell, Humanite did have Thunderbolt at his command so it's possible something weird happened along those lines. In any case, I don't think there's any reason to assume the power sharing was ignored just because it hadn't been stated in that specific issue.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Considering the vast majority of appearances of Captain Marvel post-crisis support the power sharing aspect which was implemented into the Shazam Mythos - a critical aspect as it's been mentioned time and time again how selfless Billy was with sharing his power with his family, even though it made him weaker as Captain Marvel - I don't see why this time it wouldn't be in effect.

Similar to Superman breathing in space; there's more evidence supporting he can do so than against it or that he has issue with it. The Marvel Family power sharing dynamic has likewise been mentioned, stated, and alluded to far more times than vice versa.


That's the thing. Its also been showed time and time again that only a fully powered captain marvel is a peer of superman. Whenever they clashed before POS 47 it was shown that he was the only one accessing the powers of shazam. First Eclipso fight, MOS 102, MOT 4 and POS 46. After that writers probably assumed that even if mary and freddy are using their powers cap isn't weakened like in pre-crisis days. Action 768, JLA-TITANS:Technis imperative(freddy and mary combined couldn't stop an asteroid, cap helped moving the moon), JLA 112, V&V, superman 216 etc. There is only one way to see this anomaly as there was no power sharing involved till infinite crisis. If you ignore the scans I gave you and continue hypothesise that cap was at 50% power you are just ignoring comic continuity. Where was power-sharing alluded in JSA 34, 35 or 36 which I missed?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And for the record, I don't think Superman sucker punching and KOing a full powered Cap with two blows is out of the realm of possibility; the opposite happened and they're portrayed as peers/equals more often than not.

I just find it odd that they'd throw out the power sharing in that single issue and then go back to using it just for something like that. Though, hell, Humanite did have Thunderbolt at his command so it's possible something weird happened along those lines. In any case, I don't think there's any reason to assume the power sharing was ignored just because it hadn't been stated in that specific issue.


I don't see a reason to assume that cap was weakened when kal koed him. All you have is a bunch of "I think", I have comics on my side. Naturally I win.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't see a reason to assume that cap was weakened when kal koed him. All you have is a bunch of "I think", I have comics on my side. Naturally I win.

Not...really?

Power sharing was established in the Power of Shazam ongoing, which effectively rewrote the book on Cap's origins and mythos and how his powers worked. It was later referenced in the second volume of JSA, specifically when mentioning Billy's character traits including his selflessness. His desire for a surrogate family was so great, he willingly gave up a portion of his power to share with both Freddy and Mary, weakening his powers as Cap. That fact was later mirrored by Black Adam when he shared a portion of his power to Mary Marvel, and later, Osiris. It was again referenced in that piece of shit Trials of Shazam. When it comes to power sharing vs. no power sharing, comics post crisis support it existing than it not existing, which is my point all along.

If you can point me to a scene or line of dialogue or narration that says "Oh, we no longer need to share our power" or the spell had been changed, you might have a point at any time during Cap's involvement in the DCU during or after the Power of Shazam series, you might have a point.

And honestly, Superman's been damaged and hurt by people less than his equals/peers; if Cap and Superman are portrayed as equal in strength, a Cap sharing his power with Mary and therefore half as strong as normal could still hurt or stagger Superman.

If your point is that they ignored it for that single story arc, fine, but they didn't toss it out or retcon it completely.

I really hope Johns nails this down in the new DCU...

Superman fights All american boy, a clone of doomsday merged with kryptonite

Continued....

Originally posted by abhilegend
Continued....
😱 wow doomsday is a super beast so how did they stop him?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If your point is that they ignored it for that single story arc, fine, but they didn't toss it out or retcon it completely.
Regardless, if it was ignored, it doesn't give a lot of credit to the author's understanding or portrayal of Cap. Meh either way.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I really hope Johns nails this down in the new DCU...

Originally posted by DrDoomsday-360
😱 wow doomsday is a super beast so how did they stop him?
Via PIS, how else?

Originally posted by Galan007
Via PIS, how else?
🤨 wow that was just weak indeed Via PIS

Originally posted by Galan007
Via PIS, how else?

Superman even lasting that much in fight against a doomsday with kryptonite is a feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman even lasting that much in fight against a doomsday with kryptonite is a feat.

I agree....that was a nice showing for him.

Superman vs the energy form of swamp thing

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