Why we can't leave Iraq. (Put that in your pipe and smoke it liberals!)

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Why we can't leave Iraq. (Put that in your pipe and smoke it liberals!)

Huzzah! SpellJammer told you we couldn't leave Iraq even if we wanted to! And here's why!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1590979,00.html

Osama bin Laden's deputy has sent a letter to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the militant leader in Iraq, setting out a blueprint for taking control of the country when American troops leave, according to US intelligence officials.
The plans are set out in a 6,000-word letter dated July 9 this year from Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian-born doctor who is regarded as al-Qaida's second-in-command.

The existence of the letter to Zarqawi was disclosed by the US last week but its full contents have only now been made public. The office of the director of national intelligence in Washington, which posted the letter on its website, has given no details of how it fell into American hands beyond saying it was "obtained during counterterrorism operations in Iraq".

"This lengthy document provides a comprehensive view of al-Qaida's strategy in Iraq and globally," the director's office said. "The document has not been edited in any way and is released in its entirety in both the Arabic and English translated forms. The United States government has the highest confidence in the letter's authenticity."

The letter sets out a four-step plan beginning with the expulsion of US forces from Iraq, followed by the establishment of "an Islamic authority or amirate" covering as much Iraqi territory as possible.

The third stage would "extend the jihad wave to the secular countries neighbouring Iraq". Finally, would come "the clash with Israel, because Israel was established only to challenge any new Islamic entity," the letter says.

Although the tone of the letter is polite and respectful, it hints at disagreements on tactics between Zarqawi and the original al-Qaida leadership, and might be interpreted as a gentle reprimand.

The writer warns Zarqawi that he risks alienating Muslim opinion with gruesome killings of fellow-believers at a time when al-Qaida in Iraq should be seeking popular support for a new religious state.

"It is imperative that, in addition to force, there be an appeasement of Muslims and a sharing with them in governance," al-Zawahiri says.

He also argues that alongside armed struggle Zarqawi should establish a political movement capable of attracting not only Islamic fighters but tribal elders, scientists, merchants and "all the distinguished ones who are not sullied by appeasing the occupation".

"We don't want to repeat the mistake of the Taliban, who restricted participation in governance," the letter says. "They did not have any representation for the Afghan people in their ruling regime, so the result was that the Afghan people disengaged themselves from them."

Zawahiri is also highly critical of attacks on ordinary Shia Muslims in Iraq. His letter repeats the ultra-orthodox Sunni view that Shia Islam is based on "falsehood", but questions the need to pursue this conflict in Iraq.

Abdel Bari Atwan, editor of al-Quds al-Arabi newspaper, who has met bin Laden and Zawahiri, said the Arabic version of the letter is well-written and has "the same style" as Zawahiri.

"I think it is fairly authentic but I can't tell 100%," he said, adding that the ideas it contains are "typical Zawahiri".

Neil Quilliam, an analyst at security consultants Control Risks, thought the letter should be treated with caution. "It's a very interesting time for it to be released," he said, referring to concerns about Sunni participation in Iraq's constitutional referendum on Saturday. The letter seemed to be urging Sunni militants to engage politically with other elements in Iraq.

"At a time when people are trying to get the Sunnis to buy into the political process, the letter suggests a coincidence of interest between Zawahiri and the ongoing political process."

In continuing violence yesterday, a suicide bomber killed 30 Iraqis at an army recruiting centre in Tal Afar, the Iraqi army said. Three Iraqis were killed and 28 wounded in Baghdad and the north-western city of Baquba in suicide car bombs, two roadside blasts and two drive-by shootings, police said.

Saad Naif al-Hardan, Iraq's minister of provincial affairs, escaped an apparent assassination attempt when a convoy of cars preparing to pick him up at his office was hit by a suicide car bomb. Police said five bodyguards and five bystanders were injured.


So if we leave Iraq, Al-Quaida will get it and will think they're Al That. 😂

I thought that it was obvious that the US cannot leave Iraq in its current state and with its current relationship that homeland terrorists have bonded with Osama.

They knew that Iraqi terrorists would have sought help from Al-Qaeda, therfore it was a good reason (self-inflicted excuse) to stay.

I think we have created more terrorists in Iraq.

so it seems

Haha, let em know Spelljammer ol' boy let em know! Semper Fi.

Of course, if you never went into Iraq in the first place, then the terrorists wouldn't be there either.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Of course, if you never went into Iraq in the first place, then the terrorists wouldn't be there either.

Sure they would. They just would be more hidden from us.

Your post doesn't even pertain to the topic at hand.

Originally posted by GCG

They knew that Iraqi terrorists would have sought help from Al-Qaeda, therfore it was a good reason (self-inflicted excuse) to stay.

Conservatives and GWB supporters are absolutely amazing. I'm in complete awe of their blind faith and backwards logic.

I was speculating that when i was having a couple of pints with Deano down at the Pub after the England vs. Poland Match

dosn't take a few pints to see it

Originally posted by D-Double
Conservatives and GWB supporters are absolutely amazing. I'm in complete awe of their blind faith and backwards logic.

I agree, my Psych teacher said they were all delusional 😂

"How does it feel to find out that WE are the evil empire all along?" - Bill Hicks.

-AC

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
I agree, my Psych teacher said they were all delusional 😂

Your psychology teacher needs to learn to keep her opinions to herself. I would verbally assault that woman if she were my teacher. Or at least berate her. And tell her to shut it.

Logic is not made up from an opinion.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Your psychology teacher needs to learn to keep her opinions to herself. I would verbally assault that woman if she were my teacher. Or at least berate her. And tell her to shut it.

excuse me, but my Psych teacher is a He! and be a little more respectful when talking about him. He was a good man and was a great teacher and coach. he passed away. But what he said is true. Bush goers are delusional. WAKE THE F*CK UP.

that would be you not learning to keep your opinions to yourself too. practice what you preach sunshine

Originally posted by Raven Guardia
excuse me, but my Psych teacher is a He! and be a little more respectful when talking about him. He was a good man and was a great teacher and coach. he passed away. But what he said is true. Bush goers are delusional. WAKE THE F*CK UP.

I don't have to show respect to anyone. I show respect to those who have earned it.
Originally posted by tabby999
that would be you not learning to keep your opinions to yourself too. practice what you preach sunshine

A classroom is not a public forum for debate. Me berating the teacher for disregarding this is not the same as espousing one's political views, be they of the left or of the right.
Originally posted by GCG
Logic is not made up from an opinion.

It's a good thing we're not saying the teacher was using logic, then, huh?

then shouldn't you berate her (or him) after class, seeing as you giving them an earfull would only lead to more arguement?

Originally posted by FeceMan
I don't have to show respect to anyone. I show respect to those who have earned it.

your so lucky this is the net, because I would so have your face beaten in right now and so would a lot of others. My teacher was a very respected man in the school and community......you have no respect for anyone. you a rude person who cant stand the truth about Bush. Sorry your choosen pres is such an arrogant ass and not many like him. 🙄

Originally posted by FeceMan

It's a good thing we're not saying the teacher was using logic, then, huh?

i wasnt refering to the teacher's logic ; that would be out of context. But i do agree with you that Classrooms should not be used to discuss politics unless the lesson is about politics.