Originally posted by SupersKillsHulkWith one arm. If he used both arms he can double that output. So normal Supes can lift 132 quintillion tons.
If I recall correctly, doesn't it say that this Superman is three times as powerful as "normal"? That would make "normal" Superman capable of about 66 quintillion tons.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I strongly disagree.Primarily, Hulk gets stronger from stress, and adrenaline levels, not just anger. Fear triggers a strength increase. So does excitement.
Moreover, when has it ever been shown that Superman actually becomes stronger in the presence of stress? Last I recall, it was sunlight that made him stronger. If you can substantiate this claim, please feel free. In fact, when asked, any Superman writer will tell you that Superman's strength is in fact limited, and not infinite.
Lastly, Hulk has greater feats of strength than Superman does. That's the only grounds on which my argument stands. Sure Hulk is acclaimed to have limitless strength, but a claim means nothing unless it's proven. That, I can.
The following is about post crisis superman
Action Comics #782: Superman’s greatest ever feat of raw power. After flying through the sun for an increase in power, SUPERMAN MOVES A PLANET. Specifically, WarWorld, home of Braniac. But there’s more. Braniac has stolen the energy of Imperiex. Imperiex gained his power from the consumption of thousands of whole galaxies since the dawn of time. Hence his universal reputation as the “Devourer of Galaxies”. It is argued that Braniac wasn’t resisting Superman’s push, and that Superman was “merely” moving a planet. This is directly contradicted by Braniac’s narrative: “Full thrust counter-measure! How is he moving my planet? The Kryptonian does not have that power!” The panel clearly shows the blue Imperiex energies firing from WarWorld’s engines. Yes, Superman was resisting the awesome Imperiex-begotten force, and pushed WarWorld through a boom tube to the beginning of time (big bang).
Note that this example confirms what we’ve suspected all along: that whatever the role that metabolized solar energy stores play in granting Superman his powers, he is obviously accessing power beyond that of the solar energies he can absorb. A few minutes in the sun is piddling compared to thousands of galaxies of power. (All of Superman’s feats listed here exceed the energy he could have gleaned from 30 years of absorbed sunlight, BTW.) Apparently the solar energy is either “hypermetabolized” (as per JLA scribe Grant Morrison), indicating energy generation via Unified Field/Big Bang, or the metabolized solar energy allows access to his deeper power, likely psionic in nature (as per John Byrne).
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
FYI:Superman's greatest feat was pushing War World into a boom tube. Mind you, he did this while sundipped.
Hulk once obliterated a planetoid over 1,200 times the size of War World with ONE PUNCH. That isn't even Hulk's greatest feat of strength. How can it be logically disputed that Hulk is the stronger of the two?
It's quite clear, my friends. Superman is strong, but he has limitations to his strength. Hulk has strength without limitation. Superman may beat Hulk in a fight, but Hulk is undeniably physically stronger.
read my reply on page 112!
and BTW prove that is was 1200 times warworld
If you manage to prove this then this is Hulk's greatest feat period. Otherwise prove it.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Why is it that everyone assumes that Hulk's top feat is bracing a 150,000,000 ton mountain?Hulk has displayed limitless strength by resisting the matter-antimatter attraction. He destroyed a planetoid with twice the mass of Earth with one punch. That's over 1000 times bigger than War World! Ignorance is so rampant. It's no wonder that no one ever respects Hulk.
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My friend you should learn some elementary modern physics. The matter-antimater attraction is not that strong (any physics graduate can tell you this). If it were then the whole universe would be destroyed because of the attraction. I have read Hulk for many years and I have never heard or seen him punching a planetoid twice the mass of Earth in which he destroyed it. You must prove this.
Also you must prove it was 1000 times bigger than War World.
Read my reply on page 112 as well.
This and my other reply on page 112 should end this debate.
Hulk has got beaten (rendered unconscious) many many times by beings more powerful than him at the start (like abomination). Is Superman not more powerful than them? Im not saying that Superman would win but can win. Most of Hulk's loses occurred before he got angry enough to compete. Thus Hulk is like cancer (he is beatable early). If Superman is aggressive and unrelenting then he beats Hulk the same as Abomination and others did 10/10 (a couple of mountain destroying punches to Hulk's head is enough to render him unconscience). If Superman toys with the Hulk for too long (while holding back his punches) then anything can happen. For the strength argument Marvel writers say " Hulk's strength grows in direct proportion to his anger." In other words his strength only grows linearly (y=kx) and greatly depends only on his anger (not stress or excitement). Also Hulk has many weaknesses that many don't consider. First, Hulk needs air to breath. Second, he cannot fly. Finally, his reflexes are good but limited (this is why he gets hit by slower moving beings alot). This translates into easy victory for Superman only if it is in Superman's character to kill Hulk. Simple space tactics wins. But Superman main weakness is that he holds back because he doesn't want to kill. Thus Superman will most likely lose in this fight. But if given a reason to kill or ultimately stop the Hulk then Superman will win very easily (Just as Abomination and others have). Lastly, this is non-debatable, post-crisis Superman has achieved a far greater feat of strength than that of any Hulk. Read my reply a few replies before this one to find out how. Also, the antimatter matter attraction is not that strong as one may think (please study some elementary quantum physics). Ask any physics graduate or read any modern physics book and see the facts. The attraction is somewhere between gravity and the electromagnetic force. This is why a small magnetic field can hold the the attraction of a piece of matter and antimatter. If it (the attraction) was that strong then the whole universive would be destroyed.
In conclusion, Superman wins if he doesn't hold back and Hulk may win depending on how long Superman holds back (remember Hulk has beaten many ultra powerful beings before because they decided to play around and not take the Hulk seriously).
Originally posted by h1a8
This and my other reply on page 112 should end this debate.
Hulk has got beaten (rendered unconscious) many many times by beings more powerful than him at the start (like abomination). Is Superman not more powerful than them? Im not saying that Superman would win but can win. Most of Hulk's loses occurred before he got angry enough to compete. Thus Hulk is like cancer (he is beatable early). If Superman is aggressive and unrelenting then he beats Hulk the same as Abomination and others did 10/10 (a couple of mountain destroying punches to Hulk's head is enough to render him unconscience). If Superman toys with the Hulk for too long (while holding back his punches) then anything can happen. For the strength argument Marvel writers say " Hulk's strength grows in direct proportion to his anger." In other words his strength only grows linearly (y=kx) and greatly depends only on his anger (not stress or excitement). Also Hulk has many weaknesses that many don't consider. First, Hulk needs air to breath. Second, he cannot fly. Finally, his reflexes are good but limited (this is why he gets hit by slower moving beings alot). This translates into easy victory for Superman only if it is in Superman's character to kill Hulk. Simple space tactics wins. But Superman main weakness is that he holds back because he doesn't want to kill. Thus Superman will most likely lose in this fight. But if given a reason to kill or ultimately stop the Hulk then Superman will win very easily (Just as Abomination and others have). Lastly, this is non-debatable, post-crisis Superman has achieved a far greater feat of strength than that of any Hulk. Read my reply a few replies before this one to find out how. Also, the antimatter matter attraction is not that strong as one may think (please study some elementary quantum physics). Ask any physics graduate or read any modern physics book and see the facts. The attraction is somewhere between gravity and the electromagnetic force. This is why a small magnetic field can hold the the attraction of a piece of matter and antimatter. If it (the attraction) was that strong then the whole universive would be destroyed.In conclusion, Superman wins if he doesn't hold back and Hulk may win depending on how long Superman holds back (remember Hulk has beaten many ultra powerful beings before because they decided to play around and not take the Hulk seriously).
can't be bothered to break down your post in qoutes..so Hulk's physical capabilities increase exponentially as adrenaline courses through his body during times of heightened emotional strain, particularly the emotion of anger
But doesn't superman get hit by slower moving beings 😕
Nope, not really Hulk can survive in space and under water that one is due to oxygenated perfluorocarbon emulsion , survive vaccum environment for extended periods of time. the only Hulk that i know who can not for some reason is Prof Hulk.
Originally posted by HigH ScholaR But doesn't superman get hit by slower moving beings 😕
Yes.
But Hulk has had trouble with Rhino before.
RHINO of all people!
Everyone has their ups and downs - we generally ignore stupid lower showings in thread battles.
So if we take it for granted that Hulk could swat Rhino away, we should take it for granted that Supes shouldn't get hit by far slower enemies. 🙂
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Yes.But Hulk has had trouble with Rhino before.
RHINO of all people!
Everyone has their ups and downs - we generally ignore stupid lower showings in thread battles.
So if we take it for granted that Hulk could swat Rhino away, we should take it for granted that Supes shouldn't get hit by far slower enemies. 🙂
Exacly, i agree, that characters have low showings and bad showings.
I'm going to address some common arguements put forth by Hulk fans.
"Superman got beat by Doomsday"
Well to be accurate it was a stalemate. Superman killed Doomsday and eventually Superman died of his wounds. This was Superman from 1992. Since then Superman has gotten far more powerful, so powerful that each and every time he's faced off with Doomsday again, he beats him.
After Superman's return he was better than ever. Now currently in 2006 Superman is far more powerful than he was in 1992. So using the old "Superman was beaten by Doomsday" arguement doesn't work.
Current Superman's power levels
Speed, able to reach 99% the speed of light
Strength, Moon pushing power levels. If he takes a sunbath strength goes up even more. There is no limit to how much solar energy Superman can absorb. Remember he hybernated in the sun for 16,000 years in the DC 1 million story line.
Supermans heat vision depends on how much solar energy he's absorbed at normal power levels Superman get reach extremely hot temps. The Hulk would easily be burned by Supes heat vision.
Supermans invunerablity is also way up there. He survived a point blank shot from a weapon that is powerful enough to destroy half a galaxy. Superman was knocked out for a bit and suffered a headache, but was none the worse for wear.
Point is Superman is far more powerful than the Hulk. It would be a great battle but Superman would win.
Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
can't be bothered to break down your post in qoutes..so Hulk's [B]physical capabilities increase exponentially as adrenaline courses through his body during times of heightened emotional strain, particularly the emotion of angerBut doesn't superman get hit by slower moving beings 😕
Nope, not really Hulk can survive in space and under water that one is due to oxygenated perfluorocarbon emulsion , survive vaccum environment for extended periods of time. the only Hulk that i know who can not for some reason is Prof Hulk. [/B]
sorry but marvel says that is strength grows linearly(not exponentially) or in direct proportion to his anger level. Currently marvel also says that Hulk can only survive a few hours in the vacuum of space. Be more specific when you say "extended periods of time". For that is a bias argument or writing style for fanboys.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Point is Superman is far more powerful than the Hulk. It would be a great battle but Superman would win.
yea i agree with the last few posts, supes is a power house, sometimes, i wonder, because he's becoming as powerful as he was pre crisis which means he's gona be causing all sorts of trouble, and of course in a versus forum will be walking away the winner more often than he does now, which is a hell of a lot as he wins a lot of versus fights anyway.