Originally posted by xmeatForget that shit.
how the hell is iron man stronger than namor and blackbolt.
Also, if bullshitter up there, is right, then that means that left to right (most powerful), then Luke Cage is also above Surfer.
Good proof in which it means nothing at all. That basically insulted your intelligence posted those scans.
Originally posted by bigbran
Forget that shit.
Did anyone realize that Surfer is on the same level as Luke Cage?Also, if bullshitter up there, is right, then that means that left to right (most powerful), then Luke Cage is also above Surfer.
Good proof in which it means nothing at all. That basically insulted your intelligence posted those scans.
poor little hulk detractor:
comics > your opinions
p.s. good job again feartheblood
Originally posted by DevilGoblin
his good point is:"Hulk looks like the strongest of all. That's crap! my opinion counts more than a comic! hulk is weak"
actually his good point was SS can destroy a planet with physical strength and he is listed as less strong than Luke Cage (the list make very little sense)
Originally posted by DevilGoblinWow, you really are an idiot.
poor little hulk detractor:comics > your opinions
p.s. good job again feartheblood
Now... I'm sure there is a better proof than that, because just because of that, it is invalid.
Also, I never said anything about Hulk, you delusional fanboy.
Why does everybody get sidetracked into meaningless debates. If people read the versus forum rules then they would know that both contestants start off bloodlusted and fight to the best of their abilities. That means Superman uses his superior speed to beat, disembowel or BFR Hulk. Sorry Hulk fans but Hulk can't counter Superman's speed.
The showings Hulk had against SS, Glads and Thor really don't help Hulk's case since none of them have used there speed, flight and/or exotic powers to much degree in those battles. If any of them used all there powers to the fullest, per forum rules, they would KO Hulk or at least BFR him.
Also, this thread has become littered with vitriol and flummery. Please leave the barbs off the forum and just debate the topic at hand. People confident in their debate have no reason for flaming or bashing other KMC members.
Originally posted by DevilGoblin
he can via power cosmic, not certainly with his physical strenght
while i agree with bigbran about silver surfer. But i think its foolish that your all saying hulks victories dont count because his opponets didn't do this. It doesn't matter what they should of done the point is hulk still beat them and thats all that matters. Its ridicules your deleting his past fights with thor and glad just because you didn't like the way it was thought doesn't mean we cant use that as proof.Thats like saying the only reason superman beat darkseid was because he didn't use kryptonight.
Btw, I’m really glad that you decided to ignore the majority of my post. It shows me that you had no counter for it, and most of this is just a ramble about other people who have hit Superman before. A rather lame argument to say the least…
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Show me scans of Superman taking down Hulk level (strength, durability, regenerative abiltiies, speed) characters with the "ease" you're suggesting, and I'll consider the veracity of your post. Far as I remember... in recent memory, he hasn't done it. I'll come back to this issue later.
Um, I did show you some scans… Which you indeed chose to ignore. Why not try and look at them, and then the debate can move on from there, because so far, you’ve not countered one of my points, but have only said Superman has been hit before. That means absolutely shit for this forum fight, so nice try.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Don't bring up low end feats. I will swamp you with scans of Superman having tough times dealing with mid tier and street levelers. *cough* Batman *cough* As many times as Hulk has low showings, so has Superman. Besides, just the same as the usual Superman defense, when has the more recent incarnation of Hulk been embarassed in such a way that we can legitimately hold it against him?
Pffffffft. I’m not using “low end” feats for the Hulk, I’m using average ones. On average, he fights street-mid tier characters.
Yeah, Bruce beat him with kryptonite…. And? Batman even mentioned that throughout the mind control Superman was holding himself back because he didn’t want to kill Bruce. It’s not exactly a “victory” to be boasting around about. 🙄
During the Sacrifice arc, Superman left Batman a broken and battered decrepit body that couldn’t do anything.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So. All of Hulk's high showings are PIS. Ok. Well, I guess that ends that. Glad I can sleep comfortably now knowing that although Hulk has consistently held his own against top tier super-strong super-speedster opponents, they were ALL rigged. Someone close the Hulk respect thread now. I'll call Marvel and tell them to change his tagline to "Hulk weakest there is, because NONE of his fights count."
No, that’s not what I was saying at all. In a pure h2h slugfest, he can take any of those guys you mentioned before, except for maybe Juggernaut. However, a pure strength test is not “going all out” and using their powers to the fullest. Thor uses Mjolnir as a hammer to crush people, Juggernaut throws fists (that’s all he CAN do), Gladiator threw punches, etc. My point is that they weren’t going all out, and to use those feats in battles aren’t exactly invalid, but they can easily be argued against, and rebutted. Don’t think that a simple h2h fight means a person would win in a forum battle. Who’s stronger has absolutely NO bearing whatsoever on this fight. It wouldn’t be a slugfest like what the Hulk excels at. Get the idea out of your head. It would be Superman completely embarrassing Hulk with speed and versatility and the fight would last for only a moment. I can NEVER understand why some people just can’t seem to be able to grasp the concept that this would NOT be a slugfest if Superman was going all out, and he wanted to end this match quickly. Go back and take a look at the scans I posted, please. I’m still waiting to see what the hell Hulk could possibly do to something that he can’t touch/can’t see in a battle.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You know, all sarcasm aside... parts of what you're saying are legitimate. But your overall conclusion is really, "Hulk fights basically don't count because Hulk shouldn't really win. So I'm just gonna dismiss them because frankly, I don't like those fights. Since those fights are dismissed, Hulk has nothing. Supes wins." Surfer fights are Surfer fights. I've seen Surfer try to drain him of rage, of radiation, use the Power Cosmic to try to stop his movement with forcefields and energy projection... and you know what? Hulk still manages to get good hard shots in and reduce it to a brawl. Frankly, your assessment of Hulk's top fights is unfair. Bottom-line childishly unfair. Because this so-called crap writing that happens, happens everywhere. It happens especially in Superman comics. So be my guest if you want to discount every single one of Superman's fights where he gets hit by a non super-speedster as PIS. Let me tell you. When you're done tallying up the count, you won't have much left.
No, I never said they should be discarded. Those instances are a good bearing on what it’s like to try and slug it out with the Hulk. What I was saying is that it’s not a good way to judge these kinds of battles. Meaning, they don’t help your case WHATSOEVER, so bringing them up is pointless. None of them uses their speed/power sets to the full potential. So, saying Hulk would beat Thor in a fight because he can do so PHYSICALLY is a poor way to debate, really. Mjolnir is much much much much MUCH more than a simple hammer used to bash an opponent with.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And really this is the bottom-line: even if you could definitively prove that every piece of Hulk writing was trash, Superman still does not "10/10 easily pwnorz" Hulk-level characters in his own books. Hulk-level characters in terms of strength, durability, regeneration, speed who have fought Superman recently? Let's see... Mongul? Repo-Man? Subjekt-17? Equus? Despero? All of whom do not have Superman's superspeed reflexes and yet Supes gets tagged anyway... a lot. Does Superman beat them 10/10? Yes or no? The obvious answer is: No, they don't get curbstomped 10/10. Is that clear? So then why does Hulk not get one single hit in and gets anally raped 10/10? Because really... even taking away Hulk's fights... considering Superman's own fights in his own books... Hulk's more powerful than those guys. I don't really see where your logic comes from other than a similarly rabid fanboyish attitude like the "Hulk Smash" ppl you've been denigrating. Bottom-line, yes; your version of Supes and your version of Hulk might get you near a 10/10 Supes count. But when it comes down to the comic's version of Supes and the comic's version of the Hulk, your conclusion is not only unsupported, but contradicted and fanboyish. Maybe if I feel like it, I'll tell you how Hulk gets his 4/10 and how he fares directly against heat-vision, freezing breath, t-vo, orbit-toss, etc.
HA!!! The childish and fanboyish attitudes are not coming from the Superman supporter’s side, buddy.
And who cares if Superman has been hit before? He doesn’t use his super speed in EVERY single battle he takes place in. That doesn’t mean that Superman going all out wouldn’t use his super speed to dispatch a character before they can react. If Superman used speed against everybody, and made them miss every hit, his stories would be boring as hell, because he wouldn’t have a struggle. Using company politics in a debate such as this doesn’t help your cause at all. 😆 It only goes to show me that you can’t think of a counter for Superman’s speed and versatility. 🙄
And it’s funny that you bring up Mongul and Equus.
I’ve shown you two instances where Superman has embarrassed Mongul with his speed.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4214/superman20speed20vs20mongul202.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9558/supermanandmongul8pr.jpg
http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=708yd.png
I’ve also shown you Superman embarrassing the hell out of Equus with a speedblitz as well.
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg
So yeah, I’m sorry but Hulk doesn’t stand a chance against Superman.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
But really... it is the unfounded 10/10 curbstomp attitude that is my main concern, and hopefully I've shown how extenuated it is.
No, actually ironically you haven’t shown a single possible way that Hulk could beat Superman if they both went all out. All you’ve been saying this entire time is that Superman has been hit before… which is not exactly a sound point to bring up in Hulk’s case. Once again, everybody thinking Hulk has even a shot in this fight fail to use logic. 🙄
Superman 10/10
Originally posted by xmeatOK, lets say he could beat Gladiator, no arguement.
supes win !0/!0 is absurd. Have you forgotten if hulk went all out he still beat gladiator whether you thought he should of won or not.
But the thing here, is that Gladiator didn't use his speed. Superman will.
So that kind of makes it irrelevent.
Originally posted by Badabing
Why does everybody get sidetracked into meaningless debates. If people read the versus forum rules then they would know that both contestants start off bloodlusted and fight to the best of their abilities. That means Superman uses his superior speed to beat, disembowel or BFR Hulk. Sorry Hulk fans but Hulk can't counter Superman's speed.The showings Hulk had against SS, Glads and Thor really don't help Hulk's case since none of them have used there speed, flight and/or exotic powers to much degree in those battles. If any of them used all there powers to the fullest, per forum rules, they would KO Hulk or at least BFR him.
Originally posted by batdude123
Btw, I’m really glad that you decided to ignore the majority of my post. It shows me that you had no counter for it, and most of this is just a ramble about other people who have hit Superman before. A rather [B]lame argument to say the least…Um, I did show you some scans… Which you indeed chose to ignore. Why not try and look at them, and then the debate can move on from there, because so far, you’ve not countered one of my points, but have only said Superman has been hit before. That means absolutely shit for this forum fight, so nice try.
No, that’s not what I was saying at all. In a pure h2h slugfest, he can take any of those guys you mentioned before, except for maybe Juggernaut. However, a pure strength test is not “going all out” and using their powers to the fullest. Thor uses Mjolnir as a hammer to crush people, Juggernaut throws fists (that’s all he CAN do), Gladiator threw punches, etc. My point is that they weren’t going all out, and to use those feats in battles aren’t exactly invalid, but they can easily be argued against, and rebutted. Don’t think that a simple h2h fight means a person would win in a forum battle. Who’s stronger has absolutely NO bearing whatsoever on this fight. It wouldn’t be a slugfest like what the Hulk excels at. Get the idea out of your head. It would be Superman completely embarrassing Hulk with speed and versatility and the fight would last for only a moment. I can NEVER understand why some people just can’t seem to be able to grasp the concept that this would NOT be a slugfest if Superman was going all out, and he wanted to end this match quickly. Go back and take a look at the scans I posted, please. I’m still waiting to see what the hell Hulk could possibly do to something that he can’t touch/can’t see in a battle.
No, I never said they should be discarded. Those instances are a good bearing on what it’s like to try and slug it out with the Hulk. What I was saying is that it’s not a good way to judge these kinds of battles. Meaning, they don’t help your case WHATSOEVER, so bringing them up is pointless. None of them uses their speed/power sets to the full potential. So, saying Hulk would beat Thor in a fight because he can do so PHYSICALLY is a poor way to debate, really. Mjolnir is much much much much MUCH more than a simple hammer used to bash an opponent with.
And who cares if Superman has been hit before? He doesn’t use his super speed in EVERY single battle he takes place in. That doesn’t mean that Superman going all out wouldn’t use his super speed to dispatch a character before they can react. If Superman used speed against everybody, and made them miss every hit, his stories would be boring as hell, because he wouldn’t have a struggle. Using company politics in a debate such as this doesn’t help your cause at all. 😆 It only goes to show me that you can’t think of a counter for Superman’s speed and versatility. 🙄
No, actually ironically you haven’t shown a single possible way that Hulk could beat Superman if they both went all out. All you’ve been saying this entire time is that Superman has been hit before… which is not exactly a sound point to bring up in Hulk’s case. Once again, everybody thinking Hulk has even a shot in this fight fail to use logic. 🙄
Superman 10/10 [/B]
Originally posted by xmeat
supes win !0/!0 is absurd. Have you forgotten if hulk went all out he still beat gladiator whether you thought he should of won or not.
Bloodlust
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
