Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by carver9
Have a question. Do we ignore the character history and focus on the characters power instead of his overall in character personality. Example...if I made a Gladiator vs Odin match, can I give Glads 10/10 because there is no on panel proof of Odin counteracting 100 times the speed of light? Or if I made a Thor vs Gladiator match. Since Glads has showing of moving at hyperspeed, how can Thor counteract that or ay other character? Is this how we debate? Let me know.

It takes time for Glads to reach 100 times the speed of light.
But the rule is if a character has shown an ability in battle and that ability is a common power (not a rare exotic one) then it should be fair game.

Superman may not blitz the Hulk from the get go but that doesn't mean he will never blitz the Hulk during the entire match or avoid the Hulk hits through speed of movement. This is not a comic now.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because comics almost always have characters not using their abilities.
Hulk tapped on it and WAITED for it to turn around. If the robot had been consistent then It wouldn't have let Hulk get as close as it did to tap on its shoulder. Obviously the writer forgot about this and had the robots not know Hulk was behind them.

But in no way that was a speed feat for Hulk. But rather it was a case that a character decided to not use their powers for some reason.

I see. It's a trope then.

Originally posted by carver9
Have a question. Do we ignore the character history and focus on the characters power instead of his overall in character personality. Example...if I made a Gladiator vs Odin match, can I give Glads 10/10 because there is no on panel proof of Odin counteracting 100 times the speed of light? Or if I made a Thor vs Gladiator match. Since Glads has showing of moving at hyperspeed, how can Thor counteract that or ay other character? Is this how we debate? Let me know.

We can't treat like it's a comic book. Otherwise I could "write" Superman never getting touched by Hulk just to make him look good or vice versa. Which is why a lot of posts here are ridiculous.

If we are to take this seriously I prefer to treat it like two characters rolled out with their powers/feats and go with it like an RP'd fight. Right now I'm leaning on Superman because assuming him and Hulk where even on strength and invulnerability/durability Superman has the advantage of speed and flight whereas I know that Hulk doesn't have the kind of speed Superman has and he has no flight. So right now the only thing that can even this fight is if Hulk can regenerate from mass destruction such as a few cells still alive and regenerate like say manga character of fame Guyver, whom regenerates from even a few cells found.

Unless Hulk can regenerate massive amounts of trauma from a barrage of planet impact attacks courtesy of Superman's, and should we say to be fair, 2000+ meters per second and the fact Superman has in fact accelerated his perception and reaction to Flash standards whereupon everything looks like frozen up and assuming he wants to go all out on Hulk then Hulk is in a bad position. Any person smart enough, with the evidences displayed, can see that.

Hulk did fight Sentry, for days. Was Sentry going all out? Was he fighting at 2000+ meter per second speeds? Or Flash equivalent like speeds? Since Superman "lost by a few inches" but they where apparently tied most of the time it's safe to say Superman has the insane speed and mobility to launch multiple assaults on Hulk.

Originally posted by IssacFrost
Let's get back to topic.

Does anyone know how far Hulk's regeneration feats go? I haven't found a scan where he is sufficiently messed up to know how much damage he can regenerate. For example if they chop his head of and incinerated him leaving charred bones would he regenerate back?

Originally posted by 753
he has regenerated from a walking skeleton in instans and once ripped one half of his brain withou displaying any lack of function

Any scans on this? I'd like to see the extent of the damage because skeleton should mean most of his organs are well gone.

Not exactly a skeleton, there still was a thin layer of flesh. He looked kinda like Sabretooth after Sunfire was done with him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not exactly a skeleton, there still was a thin layer of flesh. He looked kinda like Sabretooth after Sunfire was done with him.

I think I've seen that scan. I don't qualify that as enough to survive barrages from Superman. I mean in his fight with Sentry his face looked pretty bad. The extent with Superman would be somewhat worse due to Superman's speed.

Originally posted by IssacFrost
I think I've seen that scan. I don't qualify that as enough to survive barrages from Superman. I mean in his fight with Sentry his face looked pretty bad. The extent with Superman would be somewhat worse due to Superman's speed.

John Romita, Jr. Sentry could have touched him on the face and he would have looked like he got run over by car.

Originally posted by carver9
Have a question. Do we ignore the character history and focus on the characters power instead of his overall in character personality. Example...if I made a Gladiator vs Odin match, can I give Glads 10/10 because there is no on panel proof of Odin counteracting 100 times the speed of light? Or if I made a Thor vs Gladiator match. Since Glads has showing of moving at hyperspeed, how can Thor counteract that or ay other character? Is this how we debate? Let me know.

worldbreaker generating gamma is nothing new

after getting eviscerated by speedfreek's adamantium blade

That's some sick shit.

^ healed faster than lobo vin

S--t just got real.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's some sick shit.

Soooooo is this fight first man drops or until one of them dies? Because this makes it hard for Hulk to actually die. That regeneration is quite fast. And from what I know it's fueled by his rage so I'm guessing it becomes more efficient/faster the madder he is.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ healed faster than lobo vin

Nah, Lobo's near instantly healed from a puddle of blood before.

Impressive Hulk feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's how they debate on cbr based off of feats/powersets alone.

That's stupid. If that was the case and we can just make up how a character right, ignoring on panel showings then why even talk about scenes involved in a comic...its stupid.

Originally posted by carver9
That's stupid. If that was the case and we can just make up how a character right, ignoring on panel showings then why even talk about scenes involved in a comic...its stupid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is quite stupid.

Disagree.

Feats are king on CBR, true, but that's because feats are the only objective thing in these arguments. Things like whether Superman uses his speed 10% of the time or 50% of the time are entirely subjective, and lead to rationalizations like

"Well, he can do this, but probably won't, so he'll stand there and get beat.

Originally posted by cdtm
Disagree.

Feats are king on CBR, true, but that's because feats are the only objective thing in these arguments. Things like whether Superman uses his speed 10% of the time or 50% of the time are entirely subjective, and lead to rationalizations like

"Well, he can do this, but probably won't, so he'll stand there and get beat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We argue based off of the characters though not just powersets. The feats are saying screw the character they perform these feats everytime.

Even here on KMC, the rules kind of say that.

Under the rule about peak performance, e.g., just because Flash never ends a fight immediately in a comic doesn't mean he won't here.

Originally posted by h1a8
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