Gentlemen, gentlemen...which version of the Hulk are we referencing? The Professor? Mindless? Savage?
One, Superman's strength is not potentially infinite, period. We are discussing the current Superman's strength, not the PC Superman. John Byrne did away with that Superman.
Superman is not "more powerful" than most Gods. Are you on crack? Which Gods? The New Gods? Marvel's Gods? He is not "more powerful" than either. The only limits are his own? *chuckle* Let's ask Batman about Superman's limits 😉
Re: Superman's "heat vision," anyone care to provide a link that supports this regarding the current Superman's heat vision? I am willing to bet that one will simply not find any credible information that states his heat vision reaches into the millions of degrees. One can theorize, but is that a credible source? By the way, Hulk's skin is able to withstand temperatures exceeding 4,000 degrees. His skin only starts to blister at that point 😉 And all are assuming that Hulk would just stand there and let Superman burn him with his heat vision?
Re: Superman moving the moon, is this the current version? Hell, PC Superboy moved several planets, but that was the PC (Pre-Crisis) version. Superman has been depowered quite a bit.
Re: Hulk's starting strength being 70 tons - that is the GREY Hulk. Professor? 100 tons. Mindless? 100 tons. Savage? 100 tons...and what, are they bench pressing one another? Hulk can match Superman in strength.
Um, Superman cannot get knocked out? LoL, I will let you all think about that for awhile. A good while. And by the way, Doomsday was just a poor man's version of the Hulk.
Notice I did say "poor man's version?"
Suffice it to say that one can pen a credible story arc wherein either can beat the other.
Superman is so overrated.
One, Superman's strength is not potentially infinite, period. We are discussing the current Superman's strength, not the PC Superman. John Byrne did away with that Superman.
Indeed. But what you have to remember is the Hulk's strength is potentially infinite. It might not be, it's assumed that it is, but has not been confirmed how far he can go. He might not exceed far beyond 150 Billion tons.
Superman is not "more powerful" than most Gods. Are you on crack? Which Gods? The New Gods? Marvel's Gods? He is not "more powerful" than either.
I've no idea who said he was more powerful than a god. That's a retarded thing to say. It's like saying the Hulk is more powerful than a god. Obviously a blind, fanboy statement.
The only limits are his own? *chuckle* Let's ask Batman about Superman's limits
Haha. That's right. *chuckle* And while your at it, ask him about the Hulk too 😉. You'd do well to remember that Batman also said something along the lines of, Superman could 'Squash him like a bug with his superspeed'.
But obviously this would make a poor comic. That's why they add a plot, and Batman with his superior intelligence is suppose to out-think the Man of Steel. I don't see how this matters however, it's oh so clear that intelligence only takes you so far. In a real situation, life or death Superman would annihilate Batman, just as Hulk would.
Re: Superman's "heat vision," anyone care to provide a link that supports this regarding the current Superman's heat vision? I am willing to bet that one will simply not find any credible information that states his heat vision reaches into the millions of degrees. One can theorize, but is that a credible source? By the way, Hulk's skin is able to withstand temperatures exceeding 4,000 degrees. His skin only starts to blister at that point And all are assuming that Hulk would just stand there and let Superman burn him with his heat vision?
Myself, no. But I believe there is a logical, and official explination as to why it reaches this point. I saw it posted on another messageboard, where's someone had the explination laid clear. It's not suprising however, since he uses that same Solar energy from the Sun to fire Heat vision.
By the way, Hulk's skin is able to withstand temperatures exceeding 4,000 degrees. His skin only starts to blister at that point And all are assuming that Hulk would just stand there and let Superman burn him with his heat vision?
Exceed by how much? Would you mind posting credible information that states it can reach far beyond this point?
Ofcourse, you're right in the fact that he would not just stand there. But it applys to the same situation, for Hulk to reach Supermans level of strength he would have to get angry. Superman would not just stand there.
Superman moving the moon, is this the current version? Hell, PC Superboy moved several planets, but that was the PC (Pre-Crisis) version. Superman has been depowered quite a bit.
Indeed he has. But there is no information supporting whether or not he could still do it. Besides, even if he had half his strength knocked down, it still equals Billions of tonnes.
Hulk's starting strength being 70 tons - that is the GREY Hulk. Professor? 100 tons. Mindless? 100 tons. Savage? 100 tons...and what, are they bench pressing one another? Hulk can match Superman in strength.
He can, over a period of time. But Superman's starting strength is still far superior.
Um, Superman cannot get knocked out? LoL, I will l
et you all think about that for awhile. A good while.
The Hulk can also get knocked out.
And by the way, Doomsday was just a poor man's version of the Hulk.
Ahh. Don't get fact and opinion confused. There is no such information supporting your implication.
Superman is so overrated.
He is. I agree, many people don't realise how strong he really is. They see one piece of information that states something and they believe it. However, let's not kid ourselves here, he is The Man of Steel for a reason.
Never, an objective arguement isn't always a bad one. You might want to try looking at both sides, because when you post it always seems to be completely one sided. You rarely give the full story unless it backs up your point. It's misleading, and with the vast comic book knowledge you have there is no need to do it, you can state the facts.
However, I agree that both could win. But then that put forwards the arguement, who could win more? It goes on and on.
how about we don't break down every sentence into it's own quote?
and whoever put up the arguement about strength...Hulk's stonger. Heat Vision...Hulk moves outta the way, what do you think? he's gonna sit there while Supes blasts him and blasts him? As for the super speed, once he flyes into Hulk...then Hulk catches him with those massive hands of his. Then, he breaks Supes over his knee!!!
hahahaha. I'm not deluded. just keepin it real. obviously the back breaking is an extreme exaggeration. But i've never seen Supes sit there and fry someone he's fighting...just scorch. His strength is somewhat comprobable, but IMO he's still weaker. As for the flying....i've never seen Supes fight a super villain and just fly around w/o getting hit. there ya go chief!
Wow, you guys tore my post to shreds. admitadly, supes is not more powerful than most Gods-that was stupid thing to say, especailly a good church going boy like myself. As for the starting strength of supermans being way more than the Hulk's-IM RIGHT!And as for Superman's strength being potentially limitless-IM RIGHT. He'll get better as he gets older in Earth's atmosphere! AS for Hulk catching superman at superspeed and 'breaking him over his knee'!-that is horse shite link my friend and you bloody well know it! As for heat vision not reaching 4000(sorry not 3000 degrees)!That's debatable and hulk obviously wouldn't just stand there but it doesn't take the man of steel much to change the direction he's staring at.
As for asking batman about supermans limits: how about lets ask batman, the flash, the green arrow?!!!Oh yeah and some kids that bats trained!!!
Supes could just throw or punch the hulk out of orbit and it's done. I've got the crossovers and they all show supes being far superior and lets face it somewhat holding back!!
F*CK JAY AND SILENT BOB!!F*CK THEM UP THEIR STUPID ASSES!!
well i edited my post after the white rastafarian tried to wax funamental on me...but i stll don't think his heat vision plays a big part in this fight. Supes regularly uses that stuff to fix something or save the day....not as a weapon. What effect can that heat beam have on Hulk's skin? you gonna tell me it's gonna blister up or melt off the bone? please....i may not be a DC fan, but that's more far fetched than anything...
Sorry link.How I forget easily, that you were the first person to vote on my first poll. My point with the heat vision is that supes can keep hulk busy, pinned back, hurt ina number of ways, not just strength.But true enough, I dont think heat vision alone would do the hulk.
How did hulk get back Venomfan?
My responses?
Indeed. But what you have to remember is the Hulk's strength is potentially infinite.
Where did I say that it was definitely infinite?
I don't see how this matters however, it's oh so clear that intelligence only takes you so far. In a real situation, life or death Superman would annihilate Batman, just as Hulk would.
What!? 😂 Oh God. What you fail to realize - or simply refuse to admit - is that Batman is by far the superior tactician. Batman is smarter than anyone on the JLA, and devises strategies for the entire JLA. Have you not read Mark Waid's "Tower of Babel" story arc wherein Batman created dossiers detailing how to defeat each JLA member in the event of an alien takeover (telepathic attack)?
Simply said, Batman with prep time takes Superman down. He knows Superman's strengths and weaknesses better than Clark does. Without prep time, it is, of course, no contest.
Intelligence only takes you so far? 😕 What is Tony Starks w/o his intelligence? Victor Von Doom (who only defeated the Beyonder, albeit short-lived)?
You will not find any credible "links" because it is hyperbole, not cannon (millions of degrees farenheit). The Human Torch can only generate about 1,000,000 with his "supernova" burst, for example, and he is "a human torch." He can probably destroy a small moon in one burst. Trust me, Superman cannot do the same with his heat vision. Hrm...we use solar energy here on earth. Can you think of any solar-powered energy source that can generate heat in temperatures that rivals the sun's? No...so how is that a logical explanation? ("It's not suprising however, since he uses that same Solar energy from the Sun to fire Heat vision."😉
Where did I state that "it can reach far beyond this point?" (4,000 degrees farenheit)
Saying he has been depowered "in half" is conjecture only, no? John Byrne, to my knowledge, never specified exactly by what percentage Superman would be depowered. And..."billions of tons?" Hulk has supported a hundred and fifty billion while slightly annoyed, so Hulk is still easily in the same league.
Prove it (Superman's starting strength)? "Class 100" is a cut-off point; nowhere does it state that Hulk can only lift 100 tons while calm (Grey Hulk, yes) - and again, I will point out that Savage Hulk supported 150 billion tons and was not angry when doing so. By the way, what is Superman's "starting strength?" And that is misleading, considering Superman's strength does not increase in the same manner as Hulk's does. It does not increase at all.
Actually this is common knowledge throughout the comic book industry (Doomsday being a Hulk knockoff) 🙁 Just like Gladiator is a Superman knockoff.
Re: Whole story? Never reveal exactly how much you know 😉
Originally posted by kal-el
Supes could just throw or punch the hulk out of orbit and it's done. I've got the crossovers and they all show supes being far superior and lets face it somewhat holding back!!F*CK JAY AND SILENT BOB!!F*CK THEM UP THEIR STUPID ASSES!!
Crossovers are, for the most part, horrible examples. Consider the past Marvel vs. DC with the Superman vs. Thor fight. Garbage.
Remember the Wolverine vs. Lobo crossover wherein Lobo was defeated?
Wolverine is not even in the same galaxy with Lobo.
The Superman vs. Hulk crossover was garbage.
Granted, crossovers can be garbage but people who write comics must know more than us mere readers.
You're right about the thor fight in the recent crossover. I was pleased to see supes win but thought it was too quick. But supes must be f*cking strong to stop mjolnir.That was what beat thor, he was psychologically beaten when he saw that and it seemed as though supes finally let himself go and cracked someone as hard as he can, thus finishing the fight. but Thor would have more left in the locker I think.
I have the secret wars comics and it amazes me that they just came out with 150billion tonnes.!!I can lift a trillion, bazillion. zillion tonnes!! i mean I can't believe a mountain weighs that much for a start(thats 150,000,000,000 and he's usually this strong = 100.(1500000000 times stronger than normal). does a mountain weigh as much as a tectonic plate?(superman the movie) or a planet?(pre-crisis supes). I agree about supes maybe not increasing in strength at the hulk's rate but through time kal-el will become immortally powerful on Earth.DC writers may have toned supes down since pre-crisis supes but they've made it clear that he limits his powers mentally because he never faces anyone remotely as powerful as himself, thus leaving his true limits unknown. they'll get back to the days when he's fast as the flash and taking hulks punches like nothing(DCMarvel crossover vol.1).
JUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCEEEEEE!!
DC writers may have toned supes down since pre-crisis supes but they've made it clear that he limits his powers mentally because he never faces anyone remotely as powerful as himself, thus leaving his true limits unknown.
Um, no disrespect, but I can tell your knowledge of Superman is not nearly as in-depth as you think.
Remotely as powerful as himself. LoL
The Shaggy Man? Doomsday? Orion? Darkseid? Captain Marvel? I can run off quite a few DC names who are "remotely as powerful" as Superman.
the most important argument is that doomsday had what it took to kill superman.
and could doomsday beat any version of the hulk? maybe gray.....anyhow Doomsday beat supe's with physical power and what looked like a superior fighting abilitie.
Hulk is designed to fight, his instict make's him more than able to "smash" stuff. and we really should throw out cross over's