Superman vs. Hulk

Originally posted by Diesldude
Wasn't the worthy hulk also like 2stories tall? Or at least as big as the bi-beast and wendigo? If they were more powerful than superman as you say, the case can be made from your point of view that worthy hulk is more powerful than superman. Right? But thor had NO problems launching him into orbit. So Superman who is physically superior to WbH, no sorry UBH, then why would he have problems budging the hulk? Makes no sense. Superman's punch will take him to the presence himself.

Have you been keeping up with both characters? Not just Superman but Hulk as well? Thor isn't really up to Pak's Hulk. Similar to how Byrne toned down Superman, Pak has been amping Hulk (not surprising since Gamma Rays are the [one of the] most powerful electromagnetic energies in our real existence)

Originally posted by Diesldude
I never said that that punching hulk into space is going to equal a win. All I was doing was disproving carver saying that hulk can't be budged.

Him and an amped She R-Hulk where the only ones not budging after clashing together. The others tried to attack Hulk but neither did they budge him nor did he pay any real attention to them.

Sidenote: The wishes may be the reason Hulk is 'amped' or his actually unleashing all his pent up rage.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Wasn't the worthy hulk also like 2stories tall? Or at least as big as the bi-beast and wendigo? If they were more powerful than superman as you say, the case can be made from your point of view that worthy hulk is more powerful than superman. Right? But thor had NO problems launching him into orbit. So Superman who is physically superior to WbH, no sorry UBH, then why would he have problems budging the hulk? Makes no sense. Superman's punch will take him to the presence himself.

Let me help you out buddy, seems as if you dont know enough about the character. Savage Hulk is physically either equal or stronger than Superman. He has the fts of holding apart an Matter and antimatter bomb, he has punched through dimensions, shook dimensions, thunder clapped a dimension to dust, rip adamantium to dust, flexed his muscles and sent Herc flying through a stadium (the same Herc that held a solar system up a couple of issue back before getting slung by Hulk), destroyed an asteroid TWICE the size of Earth (grey Hulk actually did this). So all in all, Savage Hulk alone could be stronger than Superman or they are pretty much equals.

Ok, Bi-Beast has stalemated and on some occasions got the advantage over Hulk in a fight. Wendigo has done the same thing, he has stalemated Hulk in a test of strength and when they fight, its ALWAYS a stalemate. Well, Current Hulk fought these same two beings but the thing about it that makes it insane is, they were amped to be ONE THOUSAND times more powerful than there original self. You know, the ones that stalemated Savage Hulk who is either equal or superior to Supes in strength.

Now, lets move on to Fing Fang. Fing Fang has proven that he is complete power BUT thats not what makes exciting. During the recent arc, Fing Fang was also amped... amped to the point that he was stated as being capable of taking over Earth. Well, Hulk shrugged off his attacks as well and thunder clapped him so hard that his body busted open the dimensional barrier that held the Mindless ones.

Lets not stop. We have Armageddon. Well, he ran across both Surfer AND Merged Hulk and dominated them. That alone puts him above Elite top tier. The thing about this is, he face Hulk... current holding back Hulk who foot steps were so powerful that it was sinking continents. Armageddon realizes that he cant beat Hulk (you know... the one that ran through Surfer and a Merged Hulk) so he decides to amp himself with Hulks power and basically still lost.

So in the latest issue, Hulk revisit these same villians that ARE AMPED and tell them that they have to fight. All three of them attack him... you know, the amped Wendigo that is 1000 times more powerful than his average self (which makes him significantly more powerful than Superman) and the amped Bi Beast who is 1000 times more powerful than his average self (which make him significantly more powerful than his average self) and they cant budge Hulk. Well, these powerful beings who are clearly above high herald physically, die by the radiation alone from being around Hulks presence.

This is a stomp.

Originally posted by IssacFrost
Have you been keeping up with both characters? Not just Superman but Hulk as well? Thor isn't really up to Pak's Hulk. Similar to how Byrne toned down Superman, Pak has been amping Hulk (not surprising since Gamma Rays are the [one of the] most powerful electromagnetic energies in our real existence)

And even then, Hammer Hulk koed Thor just by Thor running into him. He bfred H Hulk but he also admitted that he couldnt beat him in a fist fight.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
The only prob I have here is that he only showed a statement, I don't even doubt Supes being capable of crushing planets but if you use character statements you should only use them to support on panel evidence. I wouldn't use/show them as the only evidence, sometimes you only can go by statements though like the cosmic omniversal threat stuff.

So when Thor says that he can't beat the hulk, do people disbelieve him? No that statement alone made carver climax and sh!t simultaneously. Thor has too much pride because he considers hulk a friend and would rather lose a fight instead of "cheating" by using his other powers. Last fight he showed what he can do if it ever comes to it.

Originally posted by Diesldude
So when Thor says that he can't beat the hulk, do people disbelieve him? No that statement alone made carver climax and sh!t simultaneously. Thor has too much pride because he considers hulk a friend and would rather lose a fight instead of "cheating" by using his other powers. Last fight he showed what he can do if it ever comes to it.

Which was BFR Hulk because he knew he couldnt beat him in a fight.

Gotcha

Originally posted by Diesldude
So when Thor says that he can't beat the hulk, do people disbelieve him? No that statement alone made carver climax and sh!t simultaneously. Thor has too much pride because he considers hulk a friend and would rather lose a fight instead of "cheating" by using his other powers. Last fight he showed what he can do if it ever comes to it.

Also I said that overall character statements have to be taken carefully there are exceptions of course was Thor's statement an exception? Maybe but honestly I don't want give my personal opinion on this as I said in the character ownage thread I will wait and see if the fight like Thor said get's continued. Can he defeat Hulk by BFR? He sure as hell can as it was shown on panel and Mjölnirs history of exotic powers very well supports that tactic only thing that could be argued before that was Thor's CIS cause most of the time he, at least to me, appears to slug it out rather than properly use Mjölnir.

EDIT: Again I'm not doubting Supes strength but instead of bringing a claim he made you could have actually shown a feat of him doing so.

Originally posted by carver9
Let me help you out buddy, seems as if you dont know enough about the character. Savage Hulk is physically either equal or stronger than Superman. He has the fts of holding apart an Matter and antimatter bomb, he has punched through dimensions, shook dimensions, thunder clapped a dimension to dust, rip adamantium to dust, flexed his muscles and sent Herc flying through a stadium (the same Herc that held a solar system up a couple of issue back before getting slung by Hulk), destroyed an asteroid TWICE the size of Earth (grey Hulk actually did this). So all in all, Savage Hulk alone could be stronger than Superman or they are pretty much equals.

Ok, Bi-Beast has stalemated and on some occasions got the advantage over Hulk in a fight. Wendigo has done the same thing, he has stalemated Hulk in a test of strength and when they fight, its ALWAYS a stalemate. Well, Current Hulk fought these same two beings but the thing about it that makes it insane is, they were amped to be ONE THOUSAND times more powerful than there original self. You know, the ones that stalemated Savage Hulk who is either equal or superior to Supes in strength.

Now, lets move on to Fing Fang. Fing Fang has proven that he is complete power BUT thats not what makes exciting. During the recent arc, Fing Fang was also amped... amped to the point that he was stated as being capable of taking over Earth. Well, Hulk shrugged off his attacks as well and thunder clapped him so hard that his body busted open the dimensional barrier that held the Mindless ones.

Lets not stop. We have Armageddon. Well, he ran across both Surfer AND Merged Hulk and dominated them. That alone puts him above Elite top tier. The thing about this is, he face Hulk... current holding back Hulk who foot steps were so powerful that it was sinking continents. Armageddon realizes that he cant beat Hulk (you know... the one that ran through Surfer and a Merged Hulk) so he decides to amp himself with Hulks power and basically still lost.

So in the latest issue, Hulk revisit these same villians that ARE AMPED and tell them that they have to fight. All three of them attack him... you know, the amped Wendigo that is 1000 times more powerful than his average self (which makes him significantly more powerful than Superman) and the amped Wendigo who is 1000 times more powerful than his average self (which make him significantly more powerful than his average self) and they cant budge Hulk. Well, these powerful beings who are clearly above high herald physically, die by the radiation alone from being around Hulks presence.

This is a stomp.

How can you determine they have been amped at 1000x their overall power? It might be 2x or 4x. Where do you get 1000x?

Aren't the wishes affecting most of his opponents as they wished and such wishes backfired?

Regardless true that Hulk ignored them as if they wheren't even there. They are attacking him with the desire to kill him with the intent to wipe him ouy and it's as if mosquitos are trying to bite him instead. And then a collision with She-Rhulk and he cuts loose and everything gets destroyed... Pak has injected gamma ray induced steroids or something and it even seems ridiculous how powerful this Hulk is. But due to the fact Hulk has always had different incarnations/versions in a way it doesn't make it look wrong not to mention how powerful Gamma Rays really are <_<;; >_>;; O_O

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This thread gets better as time progresses.

I asked you all to forget about this...now all we have is this...this...abomination.

And..lol@Hulk being glued to the ground

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I asked you all to forget about this...now all we have is this...this...abomination.

And..lol@Hulk being glued to the ground

Who are you referring too? O_o

Originally posted by IssacFrost
How can you determine they have been amped at 1000x their overall power? It might be 2x or 4x. Where do you get 1000x?

Originally posted by IssacFrost
How can you determine they have been amped at 1000x their overall power? It might be 2x or 4x. Where do you get 1000x?

Aren't the wishes affecting most of his opponents as they wished and such wishes backfired?

Regardless true that Hulk ignored them as if they wheren't even there. They are attacking him with the desire to kill him with the intent to wipe him ouy and it's as if mosquitos are trying to bite him instead. And then a collision with She-Rhulk and he cuts loose and everything gets destroyed... Pak has injected gamma ray induced steroids or something and it even seems ridiculous how powerful this Hulk is. But due to the fact Hulk has always had different incarnations/versions in a way it doesn't make it look wrong not to mention how powerful Gamma Rays really are <_<;; >_>;; O_O

It was stated on panel how much strength the amp gave them.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Bi-Beast said that and that's another good example not to take statements as hard cash imo. Was he amped? Apparently. To which degree? Who knows. By the factor 1000? Doubtful imo.

We would have never known how much stronger the amp gave them if it was stated. Kind of like the Warrior Madness that Asgardian gets. We would have never know that it makes Thor 10 times stronger than himself. Or Kurse, we would have never known he became 5 times stronger after his amp.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I asked you all to forget about this...now all we have is this...this...abomination.

And..lol@Hulk being glued to the ground

I don't know what your talking about I think it's going marvelous I don't even care if anyone is making a coherent argument about who they think wins this fight.Just what I have looked in the last 2 or 3 pages of this thread cements it's reason for existing it have been pretty entertaining.

Originally posted by carver9
We would have never known how much stronger the amp gave them if it was stated. Kind of like the Warrior Madness that Asgardian gets. We would have never know that it makes Thor 10 times stronger than himself. Or Kurse, we would have never known he became 5 times stronger after his amp.

^Bi-Beast said it and Bi-Beast always knows what he is talking about, as he obviously felt how much he was amped.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I don't even know where I could get comics, I knew 2 comic shops, 1 clsed years ago, the other one turned into a manga store and also closed recently.

We have two here in München. One is Comic Company, they can get you every comic from the USA, also as an ABO. I'm sure they would also send it to you.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This thread gets better as time progresses.

👆 It's EPIC😄

Originally posted by carver9
Let me help you out buddy, seems as if you dont know enough about the character. Savage Hulk is physically either equal or stronger than Superman. He has the fts of holding apart an Matter and antimatter bomb, he has punched through dimensions, shook dimensions, thunder clapped a dimension to dust, rip adamantium to dust, flexed his muscles and sent Herc flying through a stadium (the same Herc that held a solar system up a couple of issue back before getting slung by Hulk), destroyed an asteroid TWICE the size of Earth (grey Hulk actually did this). So all in all, Savage Hulk alone could be stronger than Superman or they are pretty much equals.

Ok, Bi-Beast has stalemated and on some occasions got the advantage over Hulk in a fight. Wendigo has done the same thing, he has stalemated Hulk in a test of strength and when they fight, its ALWAYS a stalemate. Well, Current Hulk fought these same two beings but the thing about it that makes it insane is, they were amped to be ONE THOUSAND times more powerful than there original self. You know, the ones that stalemated Savage Hulk who is either equal or superior to Supes in strength.

Now, lets move on to Fing Fang. Fing Fang has proven that he is complete power BUT thats not what makes exciting. During the recent arc, Fing Fang was also amped... amped to the point that he was stated as being capable of taking over Earth. Well, Hulk shrugged off his attacks as well and thunder clapped him so hard that his body busted open the dimensional barrier that held the Mindless ones.

Lets not stop. We have Armageddon. Well, he ran across both Surfer AND Merged Hulk and dominated them. That alone puts him above Elite top tier. The thing about this is, he face Hulk... current holding back Hulk who foot steps were so powerful that it was sinking continents. Armageddon realizes that he cant beat Hulk (you know... the one that ran through Surfer and a Merged Hulk) so he decides to amp himself with Hulks power and basically still lost.

So in the latest issue, Hulk revisit these same villians that ARE AMPED and tell them that they have to fight. All three of them attack him... you know, the amped Wendigo that is 1000 times more powerful than his average self (which makes him significantly more powerful than Superman) and the amped Bi Beast who is 1000 times more powerful than his average self (which make him significantly more powerful than his average self) and they cant budge Hulk. Well, these powerful beings who are clearly above high herald physically, die by the radiation alone from being around Hulks presence.

This is a stomp.

This...!
Carver buddy, I need the objective opinion of an elite poster who is also an expert on both chars. I know it's kind of off-tpic but jusst an short answer will be enough.
Do you think that Goku SSJ4 stands a chance against DBH (Dimensionbreaker or Universebreaker Hulk)?

Originally posted by IssacFrost
Who are you referring too? O_o

No one in particular. Just that Carver said Superman won't budge Hulk and therefor won't BFR him and someone saying "Hulk isn't glued to the ground" The exchange made me chuckle.

Originally posted by carver9
Lets not stop. We have Armageddon. Well, he ran across both Surfer AND Merged Hulk and dominated them. That alone puts him above Elite top tier. The thing about this is, he face Hulk... current holding back Hulk who foot steps were so powerful that it was sinking continents. Armageddon realizes that he cant beat Hulk (you know... the one that ran through Surfer and a Merged Hulk) so he decides to amp himself with Hulks power and basically still lost.

this is the only time he's ever fought prior to incredible hulks:

Originally posted by carver9
We would have never known how much stronger the amp gave them if it was stated. Kind of like the Warrior Madness that Asgardian gets. We would have never know that it makes Thor 10 times stronger than himself. Or Kurse, we would have never known he became 5 times stronger after his amp.

So one of them mentioned they felt 1000x stronger? I wouldn't takt that at face value. He could have felt additional power/amp but he can't determine how powerful he has become. Now if it was stated on panel via narration then perhaps that is a more reliable source.

I really like Surfer's quote "I AM POWER."