Originally posted by Twilight Janick
If you take a look at the ICS book for Episode 3, you get to see that a (Recusant-class, Venator-class, Munificient-class or the Invisible Hand, don't know which one though) consumed a few thousands of tons of hypermatter per second. And Star Trek doesn't go further than a few grams or kilograms per second. Knowing both these things generates the same energy per gram or per kilogram, bingo!
You DO know that e=mc² works the same way for ALL kinds of matter ? Just a little example: The amount of matter turned into energy during the explosion of the nuclear bomb over Hiroshima was about 1 gram.
The ST ships use antimatter/matter reaction which always results in complete annihilation of the antimatter (again ALL the matter is turned into energy). If that would be true for hypermatter and the SW ships are turning thousand of tons of hypermatter into energy per second that would equal the energy output of a billion nuclear bombs similar to the one that was used on Hiroshima. Can you please tell me where that energy should go ?
The complete transformation of 1 kilogram of matter would result in an energy output of 89,900 TJ (8.99 * 10e16 J) or 89.9 Petajoule. For one ton of matter this would be 8.99 * 10e19 J or 89.9 Exajoule (that is the energy an asteroid with about 13.5 mio tons weight would create while impacting with 20 km/s). For 1,000 tons of matter this would be 8.99 * 10e22 J or 89.9 Zetajoule.
Well...afaik that would be equal to about 1/15 amount of energy produced by our sun per second. So you want to tell us that the Empire uses compressed suns to power their ships and thereby provide proof that the advance of the Empires technology compared to the UFP is far greater than we thought ? Very nice...
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No...
But when you can proof that SW has an army of billions with something like modern day technology. Including the nukes and everything like that against somebody with technology of the ancient egyptians... Good but not good enough, you can be pretty sure of the winner.
There is just no way ST could conquer SW even if they would somehow magically manage to win one battle which is foolish because one helicopter would already take down the Egyptian army's.
Originally posted by Twilight Janick
But the only things that actually work with that principle of hypermatter are the superweapons. Otherwise, why don't they travel at 0,75c in realspace, for example?
Well...who threw that BS in here: me or you ?
And again you're wrong. The superweapons are using even greater amounts of energy. The energy needed to destroy a planet like Alderaan is equal to about 2.4x10e32 J power.
The energy required is produced by the Death Star reactor in 24 hours or 86,400 seconds. That would be about 2.7x10e26 J of power generated every second which is about equal to 2/3 of the energy produced by our sun.
And to answer you question why they don't travel at 0,75c in realspace: They simply have no need to do so. The only situations where they aren't in hyperspace are blockades of sun systems (or simply patrol the orbit) or space battles - no use for speeds like that.
And Stardestroyers have accelerate rates up to 3000 G which - considering the mass of a Stardestroyer - would need some energy.
Originally posted by Fishy
No...But when you can proof that SW has an army of billions with something like modern day technology. Including the nukes and everything like that against somebody with technology of the ancient egyptians... Good but not good enough, you can be pretty sure of the winner.
There is just no way ST could conquer SW even if they would somehow magically manage to win one battle which is foolish because one helicopter would already take down the Egyptian army's.
Originally posted by Gryn Jabar
Until it ran out of fuel. I'm just saying that using science to explain war and who would win it usually doesn't work. Look at the US in Iraq. Only the soft science explanation of Clausewitz (friction) can explain their difficulty in holding and securing such a large area, not firepower calculations. That being said, for the purpose of determining whoever can blow the shit out of each, using RL science is good.
Even with the low oil reserves of this day and age any modern army would destroy the ancient egyptian army... Besides bullets don't cost much.
Point is that ST does not have a chance because of their technology and we all know that they don't have the military skills. They aren't ready for something like a full out war, they aren't build for that. So unless they would have technological superiority which they don't they can never win a war.
Originally posted by Gryn Jabar
Science can't answer everything in war, as evidenced by the failure of the French in the Franco-Prussian war. They had better equipment, yet still failed.
Science can't answer everything in war. That's correct.
But science can explain firepower (SW outclasses ST heavily) and this situation isn't compareable to what we have "experienced" so far on earth. The Empire is greatly outnumbering the UFP, is superior in terms of technology (faster ships, more powerful weapons, better shields) and as far as we know has the better military strategist (Thrawn) not even considering force powers (battle meditation, force storms or the fact that Vader would be able to kill the crew of an UFP starship on his own).
The only way to deal with the Empire would be to use guerilla tactics (like the Ewoks / Rebels did on Endor) - which is nearly impossible in space battles and won't simply be useful enough in ground battles.
If a single Imperial StarDestroyer can destroy a UFP ship in less than 10 seconds they won't have much time to use any "tactics" unless they do some kamikaze attack on imperial starships and even then they still will lose because the Empire is outnumbering them greatly.
And you have to consider that the Empire doesn't hesitate much when it comes to destroying enemies. They even destroyed their own planets (Alderaan) when thinking it's necessary. And now think about the US army throwing nuclear bombs on Iraq. That would "pacify" the country pretty fast and would be something the Imperial Navy would do.
In addition,the empire has greater political will to use it's weapons, whereas the UFP, at least, from my experiance, is not willing to commit genocide on nearly every planet it encounters. To quote an earlier post by myself:
2) The Galactic Empire can destroy galaxies (galaxy gun), planets (death star), and has force users. What does the UFP have that is anywhere NEAR that? Even if it did, would they use it?
Big Enough to whoop the shit out of anything the federation can throw at it. In relation to an ISD:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Special/Galaxy.jpg
Originally posted by FishyThe NYPD could take out the Egyptian armies.
Even with the low oil reserves of this day and age any modern army would destroy the ancient egyptian army... Besides bullets don't cost much.Point is that ST does not have a chance because of their technology and we all know that they don't have the military skills. They aren't ready for something like a full out war, they aren't build for that. So unless they would have technological superiority which they don't they can never win a war.
Probably the Roman's too.
