The Maestro vs. Gladiator

Originally posted by psycho gundam
wikipedia quote from sentry article, take note of the last sentance:

"The Sentry's powers derive from a serum that moves his molecules an instant ahead of the current timeline, although he also absorbs solar radiation for strength.[11] Even though most of his powers and their limits are unknown, he displays several abilities including vast superhuman strength, speed, stamina, durability and senses, the power of flight, and energy projection. His level of strength is far less than that of the Hulk however, who is THE strongest being in the Marvel or DC universes."

it's "official"

Originally posted by bobbi
If all speedsters move in a parabolic curve as predicted by gravity and go toward an approx. square foot area (I don't play baseball, but something around that) in front of the hulk then your analogy would be apt.

If a baseball player can hit a ball that is sentient and can turn corners at 70 mph and can basically travel anywhere it wants at that speed irrespective of gravity then your analogy would be apt also. judging as most people have trouble catching flies in the air (which are much slower and barely even conscious of how they're moving), I'd say the analogy doesn't correlate so well.

Hulk's muscles move in superspeed. It's been proven time and time again. Example: he was shaking the vials at close to light speed using his hand to act as a centrifuge. Estimates vary from 1/9th the speed of light to 1/1000th the speed of light based upon interpretation, but fact is he was totally calm and in scientist mode at the time.

The fact that he can shake his hand at even 1/1000th the speed of light, while calm no less, indicates that his muscles react in superspeed. We also know that Hulk has a supernatural level of intuition in knowing where people are, possibly linked in with his ability to see astral forms and interact with energy.

He just can't fly.

Let me illustrate an example for the scientific minded folks. Picture a fibreoptics cable. Signals within this cable move at lightspeed. Now picture the fibreoptics cable hooked up to a tissue that reacted close to lightspeed. That is basically what you would have when looking at Hulk's physiology. He can easily react to things moving close to light speed. He has grabbed and hit people who can see into the future like Sentry and Spiderman. Something with his mystic senses let him know where someone is, this ability has been shown time and time again. It is this ability combined with his light speed level reflexes (again think of a fibre cable) that lets him hit superfast opponents.

An equation for the scientific minded folks out there. Calculate how fast his muscles would have to react and move in order to perform the following feats:
* Jumping from the Earth's surface into outerspace
* Jumping from the land into the air fast enough to catch an ICBM that had a head start and was already miles in the air.
* Jumping from Sakaar's moon to it's atmosphere in order to get into freefall into the gravitational well of the planet. Calculate the distance between the Earth and the moon, and calculate how much force would be required to propel a 1200 lb object and what speed his legs would have to move to do that.
* Hitting a character who is approaching at subluminal velocity towards you.
* Matching speed with characters who fight in the nanoseconds for swinging punches (Gladiator, Hyperion, Sentry, Silver Surfer and Thor are examples).

Now - 3.33564095 nanoseconds is how long it takes for light to travel one meter. Hulk was able to easily match blows with characters moving that fast. Not once, not twice, but dozen+ occasions. If it happened once you could say PIS, if twice, then rarely used ability. Dozen fights or more though? That indicates it's well within his normal range of ability. His reaction time is insane, he just can't fly. Which is why people mistake him for being slow.

I was just arguing the inadequacy of that specific example. but your argument is well taken. Scans would be nice though for the centrifuge thing. That's pretty good evidence if it's true.

The fighting ppl who at other times moved at light speed is kinda iffy. you get people like batman being able to hold their own against superman time and time again with the help of kryptonite or some gadget even though superspeed should make him easily incapacitate batman (since he of course won't kill him). And if Hulk is capable of such speed why does he sometimes struggle with people so much slower than him? aka spiderman is nothing compared to the speed of the surfer yet spiderman was able to dodge the hulk for a good amount of time. If hulk was really capable of approx. light speed spiderman should be nothing to him (as is true for many people he fights). To make fights interesting comics generally just make everyone go at approx. the same speed. I honestly don't know how to reconcile this in a debate. (unless u actually think spiderman has subliminal movements...his spidey sense doesn't really count since that is said to just equalize for his lack of actual martial arts training. as is seen by his difficulty with martial artists)